RE: Nissan GT-R | PH Carbituary
RE: Nissan GT-R | PH Carbituary
Monday 21st March 2022

Nissan GT-R | PH Carbituary

The R35 is dead to us. We'll miss it



If car years are analogous to dog years then the first examples of the R35 Nissan GT-R to be officially sold in the UK have recently passed their 91st birthdays. That's a serious innings for any modern production car, doubly so for a sharp-end performance model - one that was launched at almost the same time as the gen 2 997-generation Porsche 911. So it's not really surprising to be reporting that European sales are set to end in a couple of months.

Yet perhaps the biggest compliment we can pay to Nissan's near-supercar is that, despite all those years, it never really felt old. That's down to a level of technical sophistication which still seems impressive by 2022 standards, and which felt some way off the far end of the scale when the car was new. But it's also because, like Godzilla himself, the GT-R has spent its long life at the very top of the food chain.

While UK sales began in 2009, Japan got its first R35s at the tail end of 2007, with several grey imported cars reaching Britain shortly after. The first of these was brought in by well-known tuner Iain Litchfield, who lent it to Autocar for a couple of days. I was part of the lucky test team that got to drive it on British roads for the first time, where it immediately made the 911 Turbo we'd brought along for comparison feel leisurely and short on visceral excitement.



The GT-R was an engineering masterpiece. Like the 911 Turbo it had a twin-clutch transmission and adaptive dampers, but it also had a smart torque juggling all-wheel drive system that made the Porsche's seem old fashioned. The Nissan's star feature was its savage twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre V6 which, even in its gentlest form made an official 480hp. While pre-R35 GT-Rs had been homologation specials capable of significant tuning upgrades, their official outputs were constrained by the gentlemanly agreement in Japan not to exceed a claimed 280hp. That definitely wasn't the case here. Fresh out of the box this was a car with a 3.5-second 0-60mph time and a 190mph top speed.

Nissan quickly proved the R35's pace by setting a production car record around the Nürburgring Norschliefe, a storming 7:29. This bit of tank-on-lawn parking caused Porsche to throw an amusingly petulant strop, with senior execs at the German firm stopping only just short of an outright accusation Nissan had cheated. But although the GT-R's performance was certainly carefully optimized - and a later Nismo variant was indeed caught out for running various non-standard parts - the original car's huge pace was confirmed a few months later when Sport Auto magazine's 'Ring specialist Horst von Saurma managed a 7:38 in a press demonstrator.

Porsche's objections were largely down to the belief that the GT-R's weight would prevent such a record-setting pace, but the R35's greatest strength was always its ability to mitigate the effect of its chunky 1,750kg mass. Suspension was firmly lashed, even on the softer settings given to European market cars, and it never felt flabby or unwieldy, changing direction with the sort of precision that gets surgical instruments referenced and finding what often seemed to be impossible levels of traction. The gearbox's ability to deliver near-instantaneous changes, and the Brembo brakes' willingness to digest huge thermal loadings made it feel unflappable under even the hardest track use.



As with earlier GT-Rs and faster Skylines the standard car was also seen by many as little more than a blank canvas, a starting point for significant enhancements. GT-Rs had long been at the heart of a tuning culture in Japan, but the R35 expanded that around the world. Nissan was generally tolerant of such tinkering, certainly when it came to the better-known Japanese aftermarket specialists, and the GT-R was soon proving itself capable of accommodating increasingly silly power outputs.

Not that this was always a grit-free process. In Britain the GT-R's standard three-year warranty would be voided by aftermarket tuning, something which created a serious quandary for early buyers knowing how much their cars had effectively left on the table. A further complication was that the R35's spiffy new twin-clutcher featured a launch control system, but the very use of this would effectively void the powertrain warranty if whizz became bang. And even the standard car was capable of lunching its transmission under repeated, hard starts. Within a few months of sales starting, stories of cars with broken gearboxes and scary repair estimates began to circulate.

Not that these put too many owners off upgrades for very long; it is much easier to find a tuned early R35 than one that has always been standard. Even a relatively mild stage one remap could take output beyond 600hp, and it was simple (if increasingly expensive) to push to, and through, the four-figure barrier. If the regular GT-R was a beast, some of these reworked versions were true monsters.



The tunability also created something of a dilemma for Nissan, especially as initially steep depreciation got its teeth into the first cars. For considerably less than the cost of a new, fully warranted example it was possible to buy an early car, boost it to the stratosphere and still have a healthy contingency fund in case anything went pop. Factory power outputs started to climb upwards through iterative powertrain tweaks - 530hp in 2011, 545hp in 2013 and 565hp in 2017 - with Nismo and some other limited-edition versions taken beyond that. But the standard numbers always looked sensible compared to the aftermarket.

The GT-R's new price also started a steady march upwards over time. The fact the car had acquired substantial waiting lists before deliveries started, with a reported 1,200 names in the UK order bank, proved the original pricing was certainly enticing: a £56,000 kick-off in 2009. That figure has since risen to £83,865 for the entry-point Pure, only slightly ahead of the £79,950 that the original price turns to when run through an inflation calculator. But there's a big, obvious proviso to that - as launched the GT-R was a hugely desirable hot new must-have. After more than a decade in the market the fashionistas had moved on and were unlikely to be enticed back by mild tweaks and fractional spec changes. Over the last few years UK sales have slowed to little more than a trickle.

Letting the R35 live so long was undoubtedly not part of the original corporate plan. The car was signed off by former CEO Carlos Ghosn, who saw a return of the GT-R as a world-beater as being an important benchmark for what was, at the time, a hugely confident, growing international brand. We know how things ended for Carlos - holed up in Lebanon after fleeing charges of misappropriating funds in Japan. But the Nissan of 2022 is also a very different company to the one he led at the turn of the century, especially in Europe where the range has been pruned and performance has completely dropped off the priorities list. Below the GT-R the next-fastest Nissan currently on sale in Britain is the searing rocketship which is the 158hp 1.3-litre Qashqai DiG-T.



So the surprise is probably that the GT-R lasted as long as it did. Sales ended in Australia last year due to new side impact crash regulations, and the European withdrawal is, officially, because of its inability to meet the 'drive by' noise standards that come in July this year - although the pre-announcement of the demise is likely to trigger a flurry of final orders. Regardless, it seems unlikely the R35 can survive in even more sound-tolerant parts of the world for too much longer. Its replacement, if it ever comes, will almost certainly be an EV.

Don’t be surprised if this news further bolsters the GT-R’s formidable residual strength. More than a decade after launching at £56k, you’ll still need the best part of £40,000 for an early R35. Those after an unmodified example (surely set to be more collectible in future) will have to pay more - this 2009 car is £45k. On the other hand, anyone after big power is spoilt for choice, with 800hp+ cars available from £50,000. Which is also what you’ll pay for one of the facelifted, 530hp cars from the 2012 Model Year. And if you’re lucky enough to find a NISMO, don’t expect to spend less than £150k…

Godzilla, the fictional dinosaur, has survived numerous cinematic deaths. Sad to report that his automotive namesake doesn't share that apparent immortality. With the end of the GT-R, our bit of the world becomes a little more boring.


















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steveb8189

Original Poster:

516 posts

221 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Pretty much my dream car but I'd look stupid driving it

"only slightly ahead of the £79,950 that the original price turns to when run through an inflation calculator" - thank you PH!

originals

1,635 posts

57 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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A legend.

Pixelpeep 135

9,050 posts

172 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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also dream car. Not sure what i'd look like driving it, happy to find out smile

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Dream car, wouldn't care what I'd look like driving it. I'd have one of these over most anything compareable if I had the loot.

Glenn63

3,959 posts

114 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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On my list of cars to own one day, and I wouldn’t care less what I looked like driving it laugh
Some one at my gym has 50th one in bayside blue it looks stunning.

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Still too heavy, but a car that I'd love to own.

A truly legendary car that moved the game on through technology - as the best Japanese cars have over the years

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

187 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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best car i have ever driven an had we not had kids i would have owned one. I just love the relatively affordable performance monsters the Japanese have made over the years

Jon_S_Rally

4,489 posts

118 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Like others, I couldn't care less what people think of me. I buy cars for me, not for them.

I never really "got" these when they were launched. While they were impressive, it was a car I never lusted over. I have warmed to them over the years I must say, but I still think I'd rather have an R32-34 generation car than one of these.

Still, it's a shame it's passing, though it was probably about time in reality. Will we see another on these shores?

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

264 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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I would look fantastic driving one.

TREMAiNE

4,164 posts

179 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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I'm in the camp of never really 'getting' these.

I've always found them horribly ugly to look at.
Around launch time, I thought they were way too techy and not the sort of car I'd want, but arguably they are now a more 'analogue' experience to what we have now - but even still, I just see it as an expensive Nissan.

I know it's so much more than that and I appreciate it for everything it's achieved but it just doesn't excite me.

David87

7,033 posts

242 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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I desperately wanted one of these when they were new; back then it was my dream car. I’d have been 22 when they came out in the UK, so shows how bloody old they are as I’m 35 this year. hehe

Still appreciate them now, although time has very much moved on and I no longer have the desire for one I previously held.

Edit: trying to work out what peak year was for them. I reckon 2011 or 2012, whenever it got the nicer wheels and headlamps, but not too fussy like the later cars. Never really cared for the NISMO - missed the mark for me. Do like the 50th Anniversary car though.

Edited by David87 on Monday 21st March 13:46

AJM6

109 posts

227 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Still remember the shock of this from that first Autocar test - a car that was clearly significantly faster and better sorted than a 911 Turbo, but at little more than half the price.

It's funny how things change, though. Its superiority to the established (European) brands meant that it was often damned with faint praise and described as a 'PlayStation car', lacking the true connection of a 'real' divers' car.

Now, however, it's revered as a savage and visceral beast in stark contrast to the anodyne, white goods of the electric present and future....

pppppppppppppppp

173 posts

152 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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I remember sitting in one in a showroom in 2008 and being incredibly impressed. I've never driven one though. I probably should but it doesn't make sense for me to get one as I wouldn't have much time to drive it.

newbie101

53 posts

140 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Had another great day at Snetterton in my '09 yesterday and the photo in this article of one at Spa is doing nothing to dissaude me of my plans to head down there later this year. Petrol at 187p certainly stings when you're getting 6mpg on track though.

Toyed with upgrading to a 2021 model last year before they killed it off but just couldn't convince myself it made sense.

Still don't know what could replace it that has usable back seats, decent boot and this level of performance with fairly sensible running costs.

David87

7,033 posts

242 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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newbie101 said:
Still don't know what could replace it that has usable back seats, decent boot and this level of performance with fairly sensible running costs.
You might not like this suggestion, but a Taycan Turbo would probably fit the bill quite nicely.

snuffy

13,388 posts

314 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Ah, an excuse to post a picture of mine, which I've had for the last 8 years now:


smilo996

3,862 posts

200 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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once past the mandatory shoehorning in of a 911 article, it is a great article. Some cracking photos.
Still think it looks good now and is just as relevant and desirable as when it was launched.
Also likely one of the very few people that like the Italdesign GT-R50 (in black) too.
The end of an era?

newbie101

53 posts

140 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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David87 said:
You might not like this suggestion, but a Taycan Turbo would probably fit the bill quite nicely.
EV's banned from Javelin track days and no EV charging facilities at the tracks I visit anyway so doesn't meet my requirements. How long does a Taycan last on track before i have to go off and spend 30+ minutes charging off-site? There's also the minor issue that the 2022 GTR was £85k with no options required and the Taycan Turbo starts at £116k.

I have an S4 Avant for daily duties. That might get replaced with the new e-tron avant when it's released, but until some radical changes occur at UK track facilities I don't see EVs as a realistic fun-car option.

1974foggy

751 posts

174 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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TREMAiNE said:
I'm in the camp of never really 'getting' these.

I've always found them horribly ugly to look at.
Around launch time, I thought they were way too techy and not the sort of car I'd want, but arguably they are now a more 'analogue' experience to what we have now - but even still, I just see it as an expensive Nissan.

I know it's so much more than that and I appreciate it for everything it's achieved but it just doesn't excite me.
Same thoughts, plus, theres lots at car meets constantly revving and shooting out flames/banging so maybe a bit of a hooligan image?
Tonnes of other things id have for the money, each to their own.

newbie101

53 posts

140 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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1974foggy said:
Same thoughts, plus, theres lots at car meets constantly revving and shooting out flames/banging so maybe a bit of a hooligan image?
Tonnes of other things id have for the money, each to their own.
I went to Ford Fair with my brother one year and this pretty much described the whole show.