Absurdity of the rose tinted view opinions on new cars
Discussion
Every time a new M3/5, Civic Type R or anything with legendary status comes out, motoring journalists and people/YouTubers always talk down on said cars.
For example
‘The original M3 was light and had a manual gearbox’
‘The original civic type R was light, nimble and small’
There are many other cars that I can’t think of but also share the same scrutiny in 2022.
What really pisses me off is the fact that these so called experts completely disregard the manufacturer’s aim to make money and remain competitive!
I’m excited for the new Civic Type R and decided to watch a live view of it at the Tokyo motor show and the idiot keeps saying he’s shocked that the civic is that big and the original type r was small and simple etc etc.
What the EFF are Honda supposed to do?
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
Times have changed, new cars are huge and rightfully so. I saw a Citroen Saxo recently and I’m shocked at the fact that was in production. It looks like a coke can compared to everytning that’s being made today.
Why don’t these so called experts stop being dishonest with their viewers and agree that the new Civic Type R is better than the old one.
I just bought a 325ci, E46, a BMW model that is WORSHIPPED across the board and if I compare it to my current M240i….actually f
k that, pretend it’s a 218i.
The E46 is dogst in comparison. Sorry to say it but it just is. New cars are better than old cars UNLESS, you’re a millionaire who has classics and modern cars.
Sorry for the rant but just had to get it off my chest.
For example
‘The original M3 was light and had a manual gearbox’
‘The original civic type R was light, nimble and small’
There are many other cars that I can’t think of but also share the same scrutiny in 2022.
What really pisses me off is the fact that these so called experts completely disregard the manufacturer’s aim to make money and remain competitive!
I’m excited for the new Civic Type R and decided to watch a live view of it at the Tokyo motor show and the idiot keeps saying he’s shocked that the civic is that big and the original type r was small and simple etc etc.
What the EFF are Honda supposed to do?
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
Times have changed, new cars are huge and rightfully so. I saw a Citroen Saxo recently and I’m shocked at the fact that was in production. It looks like a coke can compared to everytning that’s being made today.
Why don’t these so called experts stop being dishonest with their viewers and agree that the new Civic Type R is better than the old one.
I just bought a 325ci, E46, a BMW model that is WORSHIPPED across the board and if I compare it to my current M240i….actually f
k that, pretend it’s a 218i.The E46 is dogs
t in comparison. Sorry to say it but it just is. New cars are better than old cars UNLESS, you’re a millionaire who has classics and modern cars.Sorry for the rant but just had to get it off my chest.
The E46’s design is timeless and complete. My girlfriend who doesn’t care for cars told me she liked the clean lines of the E46. She said she likes it and I’ve never heard her give a proper opinion on any car. The E46 is a legendary car.
HOWEVER, the Concorde is now an ancient relic, a useless piece of metal that simply doesn’t function any more.
The purpose of this rant is that I am tired of people acting like manufacturers owe them something. Nobody does anything for free, the purpose of everything around us today is to make money. When will people shut up about the past?!
Chestrockwell said:
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
.
Why not? The bigger the car, the more power they have to install to make it 'competitive' and the more negative effect it has on their fleet fuel consumption standards..
They could make a Jazz Type R which frankly has more than enough room as a family car and which meets all safety standards. Seems to have worked well for Toyota and the Yaris.
Edited by FA57REN on Saturday 2nd April 07:17
Chestrockwell said:
When will people shut up about the past?!
Summers were longer and warmer, we had snow EVERY Xmas Day, we played football in the street until the sun went down, you could leave the keys to your car in the ignition and nobody would steal it, we never locked our front door.........Edited by evil.edna on Saturday 2nd April 07:27
Chestrockwell said:
Every time a new M3/5, Civic Type R or anything with legendary status comes out, motoring journalists and people/YouTubers always talk down on said cars.
For example
‘The original M3 was light and had a manual gearbox’
‘The original civic type R was light, nimble and small’
There are many other cars that I can’t think of but also share the same scrutiny in 2022.
What really pisses me off is the fact that these so called experts completely disregard the manufacturer’s aim to make money and remain competitive!
I’m excited for the new Civic Type R and decided to watch a live view of it at the Tokyo motor show and the idiot keeps saying he’s shocked that the civic is that big and the original type r was small and simple etc etc.
What the EFF are Honda supposed to do?
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
Times have changed, new cars are huge and rightfully so. I saw a Citroen Saxo recently and I’m shocked at the fact that was in production. It looks like a coke can compared to everytning that’s being made today.
Why don’t these so called experts stop being dishonest with their viewers and agree that the new Civic Type R is better than the old one.
I just bought a 325ci, E46, a BMW model that is WORSHIPPED across the board and if I compare it to my current M240i….actually fk that, pretend it’s a 218i.
The E46 is dogst in comparison. Sorry to say it but it just is. New cars are better than old cars UNLESS, you’re a millionaire who has classics and modern cars.
Sorry for the rant but just had to get it off my chest.
The internet thanks you for your comments, will heed your astute feedback and adjust itself accordingly without delay.For example
‘The original M3 was light and had a manual gearbox’
‘The original civic type R was light, nimble and small’
There are many other cars that I can’t think of but also share the same scrutiny in 2022.
What really pisses me off is the fact that these so called experts completely disregard the manufacturer’s aim to make money and remain competitive!
I’m excited for the new Civic Type R and decided to watch a live view of it at the Tokyo motor show and the idiot keeps saying he’s shocked that the civic is that big and the original type r was small and simple etc etc.
What the EFF are Honda supposed to do?
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
Times have changed, new cars are huge and rightfully so. I saw a Citroen Saxo recently and I’m shocked at the fact that was in production. It looks like a coke can compared to everytning that’s being made today.
Why don’t these so called experts stop being dishonest with their viewers and agree that the new Civic Type R is better than the old one.
I just bought a 325ci, E46, a BMW model that is WORSHIPPED across the board and if I compare it to my current M240i….actually f
k that, pretend it’s a 218i.The E46 is dogs
t in comparison. Sorry to say it but it just is. New cars are better than old cars UNLESS, you’re a millionaire who has classics and modern cars.Sorry for the rant but just had to get it off my chest.
If you spot any other views or opinions you notice to be incorrect, please do not hesitate to contact us.
The spinner of plates said:
Chestrockwell said:
Every time a new M3/5, Civic Type R or anything with legendary status comes out, motoring journalists and people/YouTubers always talk down on said cars.
For example
‘The original M3 was light and had a manual gearbox’
‘The original civic type R was light, nimble and small’
There are many other cars that I can’t think of but also share the same scrutiny in 2022.
What really pisses me off is the fact that these so called experts completely disregard the manufacturer’s aim to make money and remain competitive!
I’m excited for the new Civic Type R and decided to watch a live view of it at the Tokyo motor show and the idiot keeps saying he’s shocked that the civic is that big and the original type r was small and simple etc etc.
What the EFF are Honda supposed to do?
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
Times have changed, new cars are huge and rightfully so. I saw a Citroen Saxo recently and I’m shocked at the fact that was in production. It looks like a coke can compared to everytning that’s being made today.
Why don’t these so called experts stop being dishonest with their viewers and agree that the new Civic Type R is better than the old one.
I just bought a 325ci, E46, a BMW model that is WORSHIPPED across the board and if I compare it to my current M240i….actually fk that, pretend it’s a 218i.
The E46 is dogst in comparison. Sorry to say it but it just is. New cars are better than old cars UNLESS, you’re a millionaire who has classics and modern cars.
Sorry for the rant but just had to get it off my chest.
The internet thanks you for your comments, will heed your astute feedback and adjust itself accordingly without delay.For example
‘The original M3 was light and had a manual gearbox’
‘The original civic type R was light, nimble and small’
There are many other cars that I can’t think of but also share the same scrutiny in 2022.
What really pisses me off is the fact that these so called experts completely disregard the manufacturer’s aim to make money and remain competitive!
I’m excited for the new Civic Type R and decided to watch a live view of it at the Tokyo motor show and the idiot keeps saying he’s shocked that the civic is that big and the original type r was small and simple etc etc.
What the EFF are Honda supposed to do?
Are they supposed to purposely make the new Civic smaller, less powerful and more importantly, less safe than compared to its competitors?
Times have changed, new cars are huge and rightfully so. I saw a Citroen Saxo recently and I’m shocked at the fact that was in production. It looks like a coke can compared to everytning that’s being made today.
Why don’t these so called experts stop being dishonest with their viewers and agree that the new Civic Type R is better than the old one.
I just bought a 325ci, E46, a BMW model that is WORSHIPPED across the board and if I compare it to my current M240i….actually f
k that, pretend it’s a 218i.The E46 is dogs
t in comparison. Sorry to say it but it just is. New cars are better than old cars UNLESS, you’re a millionaire who has classics and modern cars.Sorry for the rant but just had to get it off my chest.
If you spot any other views or opinions you notice to be incorrect, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Judging by time of original post......an alcohol-enhanced post by the OP?
evil.edna said:
Chestrockwell said:
When will people shut up about the past?!
Summers were longer and warmer, we had snow EVERY Xmas Day, we played football in the street until the sun went down, you could leave the keys to your car in the ignition and nobody would steal it, we never locked our front door.........Edited by evil.edna on Saturday 2nd April 07:27
A bit confused by thread title. Rose tinted on new cars. Was expecting to read about how new cars are overhyped. Instead you’ve gone toward new being talked down.
Anyhow, this is all opinions here but I think there are too many camps to list. Those who miss simplicity and less technical older cars that are driver focused… those who think technology has peaked so a new car doesn’t appeal as much…
I don’t think cars getting bigger is a good thing. I was stuck in a country lane recently where someone had managed to obstruct the road but couldn’t reverse their Velar. They asked me and for all the right reasons (insurance) I refused. So there is big but then there is a bit too big for UK roads.
I don’t know if some reviewers are on commission… but I find the test drives to be a pretty poor indicator of how good a car is. There is long term ownership and that’s the true test of: was it worth it? Not many magazines do long term reviews. Only a handful on one or two models.
The Saxo served it’s purpose at the time. It was a dinky toy with modification opportunities. Mainly NoS kits and subwoofers. Enough to get you onto the cover of a gentleman car magazine.
There has been pressure on economy/emissions and displacement has been reduced. So the ‘drivers’ probably miss the straight six and V8… in fact I read some thread about a C63 purchase and people shot the owner down… you’re stupid it’s uneconomical… you’re scratching an itch many of us have but just get a powerful 4 cylinder…
I like the comments in another thread…second hand price crash (car buying) where someone hypothesises… the 4 cylinder will soon be replaced by EV and may be some of the large rare engines might survive.
There are some older cars that are over-hyped. Absolutely they are. I think some motoring journalists try to come up with alternatives… as another user on here said though… gone are the days of buying a 10 year old car for cheap and hoping for cheap ownership.
Personally and many will disagree… I think there has been too much and too similar choice at times for buyers. I don’t think nonsense such as the lifespan of a car is 100k miles helps. It’s up there with other assumptions.
It’s all over the place… there are few reliable old sheds. They do exist be it a good production year or golden era for a particular model. Now I think reliability might not be at the top of the list for some.. as they are hoping customers will keep moving model or upgrading… may be that 100k is or has become a… keep it 3 years max on a PCP…
Talking out of my corn hole. Barely awake so will stop typing…
Anyhow, this is all opinions here but I think there are too many camps to list. Those who miss simplicity and less technical older cars that are driver focused… those who think technology has peaked so a new car doesn’t appeal as much…
I don’t think cars getting bigger is a good thing. I was stuck in a country lane recently where someone had managed to obstruct the road but couldn’t reverse their Velar. They asked me and for all the right reasons (insurance) I refused. So there is big but then there is a bit too big for UK roads.
I don’t know if some reviewers are on commission… but I find the test drives to be a pretty poor indicator of how good a car is. There is long term ownership and that’s the true test of: was it worth it? Not many magazines do long term reviews. Only a handful on one or two models.
The Saxo served it’s purpose at the time. It was a dinky toy with modification opportunities. Mainly NoS kits and subwoofers. Enough to get you onto the cover of a gentleman car magazine.
There has been pressure on economy/emissions and displacement has been reduced. So the ‘drivers’ probably miss the straight six and V8… in fact I read some thread about a C63 purchase and people shot the owner down… you’re stupid it’s uneconomical… you’re scratching an itch many of us have but just get a powerful 4 cylinder…
I like the comments in another thread…second hand price crash (car buying) where someone hypothesises… the 4 cylinder will soon be replaced by EV and may be some of the large rare engines might survive.
There are some older cars that are over-hyped. Absolutely they are. I think some motoring journalists try to come up with alternatives… as another user on here said though… gone are the days of buying a 10 year old car for cheap and hoping for cheap ownership.
Personally and many will disagree… I think there has been too much and too similar choice at times for buyers. I don’t think nonsense such as the lifespan of a car is 100k miles helps. It’s up there with other assumptions.
It’s all over the place… there are few reliable old sheds. They do exist be it a good production year or golden era for a particular model. Now I think reliability might not be at the top of the list for some.. as they are hoping customers will keep moving model or upgrading… may be that 100k is or has become a… keep it 3 years max on a PCP…
Talking out of my corn hole. Barely awake so will stop typing…
rodericb said:
evil.edna said:
Chestrockwell said:
When will people shut up about the past?!
Summers were longer and warmer, we had snow EVERY Xmas Day, we played football in the street until the sun went down, you could leave the keys to your car in the ignition and nobody would steal it, we never locked our front door.........Edited by evil.edna on Saturday 2nd April 07:27
Yeah but atleast the older cars were different from each other.
Honda Type R, was quite different to say a Golf GTi. We even had mad things like Clio V6 with an engine in the back.
Porsche were strictly 2 seater sports cars, and Aston Martins etc were not Mercedes underneath.
Today all the mainstream copy, paste, copy, paste.
Whilst you're right the manufacturers have to get on with the times, and the cars are probably better, and you can have a BMW now in any shape and size, the crazy and wild cars are not celebrated now.
It's just boring. But guess that's what 99% of the population needs.
Honda Type R, was quite different to say a Golf GTi. We even had mad things like Clio V6 with an engine in the back.
Porsche were strictly 2 seater sports cars, and Aston Martins etc were not Mercedes underneath.
Today all the mainstream copy, paste, copy, paste.
Whilst you're right the manufacturers have to get on with the times, and the cars are probably better, and you can have a BMW now in any shape and size, the crazy and wild cars are not celebrated now.
It's just boring. But guess that's what 99% of the population needs.
Not Type R specific but a lot of people rate the latest Civic ....
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-honda-civic-p...
" 2022 Honda Civic Pros and Cons Review: Unnecessarily Excellent
Improbably, the all-new Civic sedan is improved in nearly every way "
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-honda-civic-p...
" 2022 Honda Civic Pros and Cons Review: Unnecessarily Excellent
Improbably, the all-new Civic sedan is improved in nearly every way "
MuddyK said:
Yeah but atleast the older cars were different from each other.
Honda Type R, was quite different to say a Golf GTi. We even had mad things like Clio V6 with an engine in the back.
Porsche were strictly 2 seater sports cars, and Aston Martins etc were not Mercedes underneath.
Today all the mainstream copy, paste, copy, paste.
Whilst you're right the manufacturers have to get on with the times, and the cars are probably better, and you can have a BMW now in any shape and size, the crazy and wild cars are not celebrated now.
It's just boring. But guess that's what 99% of the population needs.
The Honda Type R is still quite different to a Golf GTI though??Honda Type R, was quite different to say a Golf GTi. We even had mad things like Clio V6 with an engine in the back.
Porsche were strictly 2 seater sports cars, and Aston Martins etc were not Mercedes underneath.
Today all the mainstream copy, paste, copy, paste.
Whilst you're right the manufacturers have to get on with the times, and the cars are probably better, and you can have a BMW now in any shape and size, the crazy and wild cars are not celebrated now.
It's just boring. But guess that's what 99% of the population needs.
Porsche still sells 2 seaters so I'm not sure what the issue is there?
Look at what BMW sells, I would say some of the offerings are fairly crazy.
Is the fact a previous generation of car was a better drive 'rose tinted'? The fact that the market demands bigger and therefore heavier cars is progress? The fact that car companies trade an the halo effect of past success for years to come?
These things we know and it doesn't make for better new models, car companies can still get it right like the GR Yaris, however bigger duller (to drive) models are coming sporting the GR badge so the process continues.
These things we know and it doesn't make for better new models, car companies can still get it right like the GR Yaris, however bigger duller (to drive) models are coming sporting the GR badge so the process continues.
evil.edna said:
rodericb said:
evil.edna said:
Chestrockwell said:
When will people shut up about the past?!
Summers were longer and warmer, we had snow EVERY Xmas Day, we played football in the street until the sun went down, you could leave the keys to your car in the ignition and nobody would steal it, we never locked our front door.........Edited by evil.edna on Saturday 2nd April 07:27
New cars have got bigger, heavier and often uglier.
But, though some of the criticisms are valid, a lot of it boils down to,
"I am familiar and comfortable with the old thing, I am unfamiliar with the new thing", I always see the word "Proper" used and it translates as just this.
And in a lot of cases we make conclusions based on zero experience, throw in group think "We like these dont we ?" and opinions get very polar when reality can be somewhat different, especially when you experience the new one and have to grudgingly admit its pretty bloody good.
And in twenty years the new one is an old one and we are wrinkling our noses at whatever has been released then. I do wonder how many people drive round in various old stuff telling themselves how awesome it is but a bit like drinking Green Tea rather than a mug of PG Tips.
But, though some of the criticisms are valid, a lot of it boils down to,
"I am familiar and comfortable with the old thing, I am unfamiliar with the new thing", I always see the word "Proper" used and it translates as just this.
And in a lot of cases we make conclusions based on zero experience, throw in group think "We like these dont we ?" and opinions get very polar when reality can be somewhat different, especially when you experience the new one and have to grudgingly admit its pretty bloody good.
And in twenty years the new one is an old one and we are wrinkling our noses at whatever has been released then. I do wonder how many people drive round in various old stuff telling themselves how awesome it is but a bit like drinking Green Tea rather than a mug of PG Tips.
This seems to be in stark contrast to the modus operandi of the traditional motoring journalist, which was to fawn over anything new and praise it profusely, then slowly re-evaluate their opinion until the next model comes out, when suddenly the model that they loved is dogste and we all need to upgrade instantly.
I get that styling can date quickly, but the'd do it with things like seat comfort or steering feel, which is nonsense as they aren't things that are affected by changing fashions or time.
It was almost like they were being flown to lovely spots for a week of dining and driving at the manufacturer's expense...
te and we all need to upgrade instantly.I get that styling can date quickly, but the'd do it with things like seat comfort or steering feel, which is nonsense as they aren't things that are affected by changing fashions or time.
It was almost like they were being flown to lovely spots for a week of dining and driving at the manufacturer's expense...
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