RE: 2022 Porsche Panamera 4 E-Hybrid | PH Review
RE: 2022 Porsche Panamera 4 E-Hybrid | PH Review
Tuesday 5th April 2022

2022 Porsche Panamera 4 E-Hybrid | PH Review

You can buy the most affordable Panamera hybrid wagon for Taycan money - should you?



The Porsche Panamera feels like it's living in the shadows these days. There's been so much effort by Porsche to push the Taycan that you could almost be forgiven for thinking the poor old Panamera has been pensioned off. It hasn't. It's still going strong. It comes in two body styles and many iterations of petrol power, with or without electrical assistance. Until now, we hadn't driven the cheapest hybrid option, which is the 4 E-Hybrid, and here it is in the more useful Sport Turismo configuration. So is it the perfect potential partner if you're not quite ready for a full-on Taycan conversion?

Since the Panamera range was updated in 2020, all E-Hybrid models have a bigger battery. Not physically, which would mean more weight, but thanks to optimising the cells the capacity grew from 14.1 to 17.9kWh. Along with better efficiency from the driving modes, this delivers an electric driving range of up to 34 miles - a useful amount considering the average person's commute is meant to be around 10 miles in the U.K. And when it comes to company car drivers, there's still a good saving on BIK bills. It might not be a two-percenter job like the Taycan, or any other EV for that matter, but with CO2 emissions from 49g/km and that zero-emission driving range, how does 12 per cent sound? A hell of a lot better than the 37 per cent you'll be billed for the petrol-only 4 Sport Turismo, I'd wager.

The pro column doesn't end there. There's also the uplift in power and performance that a 136hp electric motor brings. It bumps up combined power output to 462hp and drops the 0-62mph sprint from plus-five seconds for the non-hybrid 4, to a well-that's-pretty-punchy 4.4 seconds. Of course, it's not all lime cordial and cucumber sandwiches. All the extra gubbins add weight as well as performance - 295kg of it. Give or take that's like strapping a Steinway six-foot grand piano to the roof.



And therein lies the problem. When this iteration of the Panamera was launched, I spent some time back-to-backing a 4S and a Turbo around some fabulous roads in the Scottish Highlands. Many times you'll hear journos saying "You can really feel the extra three grammes over the front axle" and, almost without exception, this is complete twaddle. Unless you're bionic with inbuilt gyros and Tiger Lake processers you simply can't. But when the difference is 120kg, which is how much more the Turbo S weighs compared with the 4S, you can. It makes a big difference to the handling, and when you're increase that to the 295kg this 4 E-Hybrid is carrying, the handling and the ride suffer.

Around town the 4 E-Hybrid feels heavy, leaden and a bit clunky. This starts with the driveline. I don't mean the transition between petrol and electric, which is always very smooth, or the gearbox's ability to whizz seamlessly through gears; as always with PDKs it's pretty much unparalleled in that department. I am talking about the time it takes process your instructions and mobilise all the pertinent systems after you've switched on the ignition and selected drive. This takes an inordinately long time and makes the 4 E-Hybrid feel comparatively lacklustre from the off.

Then there's the ride. Now, this car had optional 21-inch wheels and in the broad scheme of things it's not that bad - but you're certainly aware of its failings. It's fine when it comes to dealing with the longer-wave primary stuff like sleeping policemen, but the thumping and thudding over ridges is noticeable, and the steering is relatively heavy for a semi-luxury offering which only adds to the sensation of weightiness. And because the car's so low and wide, and you're sitting almost on the floor, the whole shebang feels more than a little bit cumbersome. Until you need to perform a U-turn that is, at which point you'll discover that the addition of rear-wheel steering (a £1,563 option fitted to this car) makes it decidedly nimble between kerbs.



The good news is that it sheds some of its weight metaphorically when you build up a head of steam and starts to feel more lithe and sports-car like. At speed the ride tends to even out - partly because you're less likely to strike sharper callouses on A-roads and motorways than you are in town - and it demonstrates a good degree of vertical control when you lock the adaptive air suspension into its midway Sport setting. And what felt like overly heavy steering at town speeds makes sense when there are bends to negotiate. Its weight is now reassuring, and, as always with Porsches, perfectly geared so it's accurate and responsive without feeling flighty. Even the brakes are good for a hybrid. The first-generation of Panamera Hybrid had awful regen brakes. I don't know whether it was the work on the Panamera Hybrid that helped produce the Taycan's largely predictable anchors or the other way around, but there's no question that the 4 E-Hybrid's brakes are good enough - easy to modulate, with only a hit of corruption from the recouperation. There's still a fair dose of road noise at speed but the wind noise isn't intrusive.

Once you've broken through the initial lethargy in the drivetrain and it's all fired up the performance is strong, too. With the two power sources working together you can build tremendous pace very easily and, from the driver's seat, it's hard to think who would drive this and think "yep, I need a Turbo S E-Hybrid." I didn't find it wanting and cannot conceive how you'd justify spending another £60,000 to lop off just over a second from this car's already handsome straight-line speed. And nor would I spend that amount to swap this 2.9-litre V6's fizzy rasp for a V8 burble, either. It sounds nice. You have the other extreme, of course: swap to electric mode and it's quiet but still fast enough to see plenty of cars off up to 30mph when red turns to green.

Being a Panamera it's very nicely made. This isn't just demonstrated in elements like the choice materials covering its interior surfaces and the concerted effort made to screw them down properly. It's in details like the gas strut used for the door check strap. Not many manufacturers spend that sort of money these days. There's no denying the quality of the screens and the infotainment system's responsiveness, either. Granted, whenever I start using Porsche's infotainment system after a hiatus, I do find the layers of menus a bit overwhelming. Still, after a while they begin to make sense again. And the sound system sounds deliciously good, although this car had the Burmester system that costs a colossal £5,063, so it bloody well should.



Ultimately though, whether driving the 4 E-Hybrid around town, in the countryside or on the motorway, two thoughts kept niggling away at me. Firstly, that no matter how good this car is - and it is good - when it comes to Panameras, I still yearn for that petrol-only 4S that delivered such a truly sensational drive in Scotland. It felt like more sports orientated, but, because it rode better, it made for a better luxury car, too. In comparison this 4 E-Hybrid feels too obviously compromised dynamically by the effort of delivering those company car tax breaks.

This leads me onto my second niggle. If it's company car tax you're worrying about then I'd recommend going the whole hog and buying a Taycan. The 4S Sport Turismo is slightly cheaper, and while it won't give you the buzz of a six-cylinder combustion engine when you put your foot down, it is quicker. But that's not why it's better. It's better because, despite weighing even more, it rides better, it handles better and it is quieter at speed - not just because of the lack of explosions under the bonnet, but because it's better sealed. So my advice is avoid the concessionary hybrid, even in its most affordable format. Happily, Porsche's lineup is so well stocked with superior models, both old- and new-school, that opting for either is unlikely to seem like a trade-off.


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE PANAMERA 4 E-HYBRID SPORT TURISMO

Engine: 2,894, V6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 8-speed PDK, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 462 (combined)
Torque (lb ft): 516 (combined)
Useable battery size (kWh): 17.9
0-62mph: 4.4 seconds
Top speed: 124mph
Combined range: 34 miles (WLTP)
Energy consumption: 2.68 m/kWh
CO2: 0g/km (WLTP)
Kerb weight (kg): 2,225 (DIN)
Price: £85,870 (£112,899 as tested)

N.B. Pics are of a 4S Hybrid rather than the 4 Hybrid as that hasn't been photographed. They are to all intents and purposes identical, however - MB








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British Beef

Original Poster:

2,572 posts

195 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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What could go wrong with this....
3lt v6 with twin turbos
8 speed DCT
4wd
Full hybrid (batteries and motors) integrated with the above

Electric OR IC, I see these hybrids as the worse of both worlds. Unless purchased through company / tax implications......

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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British Beef said:
Unless purchased through company / tax implications......
Which is precisely where most of them will be bought through.

Also, a 6-foot Steinway weighs a little more than 295kgs!

annodomini2

6,971 posts

281 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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British Beef said:
Electric OR IC, I see these hybrids as the worse of both worlds. Unless purchased through company / tax implications......
Electric is more tax efficient, unless you're doing more than the range of the BEV daily, in which case buy a diesel.

Fundamentally PHEVs no longer make sense, they are only financially viable Vs a conventional ICE, in the 50-150mile range.

But given most BEVs can easily cover that range, the argument is mute.

If you are running on electric only 99% of the time in the PHEV, what is the state of your engine and fuel going to be if it's only started on e every 6 months.

PGIL

2 posts

54 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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Top speed is 278 kmph which is almost 173 mph

jamesbilluk

4,142 posts

213 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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I really wanted the Sport Turismo, but couldnt find any in the spec I liked, or my budget..... So went for the hatch style, a 2017 4- E Hybrid with 14 kwh battery, with 69000 miles on, I loved this one because of the sport design body kit, and matrix headlights. I've been running it since last November, certainly one of the best cars I've owned, relatively cheap to run, and gets a move on when you want it to, once you get used to the size, it handles brilliantly, although when really pushing it, you dk become aware of the batteries. The V6 I find sounds great, although I do wish it had the Porsche Sports exhaust. It is a big bugger to manouver, and park.

I do charge it in every night, and top it up in the day if I can, I usually get about 20 miles winter, and 25 miles of e range in this warmer weather l, this is enough for what I need it for. Its even getting 950-1000 miles on a tank of fuel the way I'm using it, and averaging 60mpg, which is not bad for the weight and performance. I usually fill up once a month, as even though its lovely in E mode, I do like to enjoy the Sports + mode. Touch wood, it does all seem to be working fine at the moment, but all that technology working in the background does concern me a bit!! The battery has a warranty until 2023 I think.






I would love a Taycan at some point, but I may have to wait for them to come down in value a bit.

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Jawls

789 posts

81 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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Don’t see the point in these at all vs the Taycan. Can’t be many Panamera buyers who aren’t company car drivers and who don’t have off street parking.

Shame really. The design has come on leaps and bounds since the first generation.

Magikarp

1,755 posts

78 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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sidesauce said:
Which is precisely where most of them will be bought through.

Also, a 6-foot Steinway weighs a little more than 295kgs!
315, to be precise.



RennSportFan

6 posts

54 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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A good friend of mine swapped his early Taycan for one of these about 6 month or so back now.

He loves it.

He does around 20k miles a year, but said that his ownership suited the Panamera hybrid more than the Taycan.

He gets around 29 miles from a charge, which drops to around 24 miles if really cold.

He said that just over 70% of his journeys are all done on electric, and his runs into London etc. are some of the only ones really done on petrol. Normally racks up around 1500 miles between fill ups. So averaging around 85mpg, but obviously that is not accounting for charging.

He said not having to charge on the way back from London or just knowing you don't have to worry about it on longer journeys is lovely.

He liked the Taycan, but realised after monitoring it the hybrid works better for him. When the new gen batteries arrive with 60 mile range on a hybrid they will be amazing for 95% of people.


His car is really basic, metallic, memory drivers, standard leather and 19" wheels, it rides amazingly well.

The only other option, which is amazing, if the acoustic glass, which he has specced on his 992 as well. The difference in cabin noise with that option is unreal, not sure why no one ever discusses it. You still hear the engine and the exhaust, but the annoying tyre roar etc. is so reduced, which is one of the negatives so many reviewers pick up on with the 992.
It makes the Panamera, especially on the 19s feel incredibly plush, round town in electric mode it is extremely impressive in that regard.

I was actually imnpressed with how it managed to hide the weight, I wonder if the 21" wheels just make it felt a lot heavier overall?


Anyway, if I had the money I would love one of these as the family wagon.




NicoG

661 posts

238 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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RennSportFan said:
A good friend of mine swapped his early Taycan for one of these about 6 month or so back now.

He loves it.

He does around 20k miles a year, but said that his ownership suited the Panamera hybrid more than the Taycan.

He gets around 29 miles from a charge, which drops to around 24 miles if really cold.

He said that just over 70% of his journeys are all done on electric, and his runs into London etc. are some of the only ones really done on petrol. Normally racks up around 1500 miles between fill ups. So averaging around 85mpg, but obviously that is not accounting for charging.

He said not having to charge on the way back from London or just knowing you don't have to worry about it on longer journeys is lovely.

He liked the Taycan, but realised after monitoring it the hybrid works better for him. When the new gen batteries arrive with 60 mile range on a hybrid they will be amazing for 95% of people.


His car is really basic, metallic, memory drivers, standard leather and 19" wheels, it rides amazingly well.

The only other option, which is amazing, if the acoustic glass, which he has specced on his 992 as well. The difference in cabin noise with that option is unreal, not sure why no one ever discusses it. You still hear the engine and the exhaust, but the annoying tyre roar etc. is so reduced, which is one of the negatives so many reviewers pick up on with the 992.
It makes the Panamera, especially on the 19s feel incredibly plush, round town in electric mode it is extremely impressive in that regard.

I was actually imnpressed with how it managed to hide the weight, I wonder if the 21" wheels just make it felt a lot heavier overall?


Anyway, if I had the money I would love one of these as the family wagon.
Interesting post - thanks.

I guess the Hybrid car really is the sweet spot for your mate....
I would love a cayenne e-Hybrid, but (as I have moaned about in detail on these pages before..) it doesn't fit my usage profile. I wish it did!

anyideas

371 posts

223 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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I've just taken delivery (last Friday) of my pre-owned ST and so far I'm really pleased. I've moved from a Range Rover sport which was a brilliant car and despite what some say I done ~50k over 3 1/2 years and it never missed a beat. Its to early to compare the two but maybe I'll do a write up after a few months.

The Panamera is extremely well spec'd. 14 way front seats, 8 way rears all with Memory, heated and ventilated too. Heated steering wheel, pano roof, BOSE, Carbon interior pack, 4 zone climate control along with alcantara headlining and embossed headrests make the interior a really nice place to be in.

Driver aids include Lane keep, Porsche InnoDrive inc ACC, rear wheel steer LED Matrix lights and night vision assist.

Whoever bought it new really went to town with the options. Range seems to be ~24 miles and my commute is 13 miles each way so if i plug at work I won't need the ICE on those days I'm not out visiting clients.

myhandle

1,297 posts

204 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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This reminds me of when the Continental R stayed on sale for about a year after the introduction of the Continental GT . 19 years later I still prefer the Continental R as it’s more special than the more capable Continental GT. I feel this way about the Panamera, it’s just more what I like in a car than the Taycan. I parked my lovely dinosaur Arnage R next to a Taycan today, and I’m sure it’s technically clever, but I can absolute never imagine buying (as opposed to leasing) an electric car, or if it being possible to form any kind of emotional relationship with one. I’ve driven a few of the supposedly better ones, the Tesla Roadster based on the Elise, one of the faster Tesla Model S models, a few i3s and an i8 which I drove for a bit in electric mode. They were all like the phone I am typing this on, a reasonable enough product but of absolutely zero interest to anyone really into cars. I can envisage a future where I have some petrol cars, rarely driven, looking great in the garage, and some kind of electric non-entity, whatever the least worst one is, i-Pace maybe? parked outside, leased of course, never washed, and I won’t care if it has curbed wheels or gets scratched any more than if I need to replace the screen on my phone. The battery cars more or less may as well be autonomous for the fun they are to own/ drive. I imagine the people who find them interesting are the same sort of people who find a software update on an iPhone interesting as opposed to an inconvenience.

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Slowlygettingit

945 posts

71 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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What’s a door check handle? Gas strut or otherwise

iphonedyou

10,416 posts

187 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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£86K / £112K as tested - classic Porsche!

smile

off_again

13,917 posts

264 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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Was talking to an owner the other day at my local Porsche dealer (waiting for a service to be finished). He really loves it. Of course, as others have commented, warranty is pretty much a must, but this owner was on his third Panam and loved the hybrid. Pretty much follows what others have mentioned here - can do around 20 miles on a charge (that's his number, which I thought was low) and as much as possible, just tops up the charge at home when he can. Most trips are on electric by number, not mileage - said he hasnt checked the MPG (never looked), but fills up half as much as he did with the previous V8 that he had.

One thing he did say though - weight. Didnt say that it eats tires or brakes or anything, but did say that you feel the weight. Though he also had a 911 (didnt ask which one) so that was the fun car. The roads in the city here are terrible with bad potholes, cambers all over the place and poor repairs, so it did crash over the bumps due to the weight. I guess its not ideal for this situation, but hey, everything is getting heavy these days.

Personally, I think its a great looking car. Yeah, I know, weird. But cant help thinking that the hybrid is a good blend of ease of use and fuel saving. If your use case fits, it is a great option. I cant help thinking that decent range PHEV's like this are a great stepping stone to full EV at some point in the future. You just pay for the privilege though - these things are NOT cheap. 118k as tested? Yeah, you can go a lot further than that! Get a little crazy with the box ticking and its very easy to go a lot higher. Personally I think the sweet spot is with less options and go more practical, but its still super expensive for what it is.

rossfitz

501 posts

281 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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He liked the Taycan, but realised after monitoring it the hybrid works better for him. When the new gen batteries arrive with 60 mile range on a hybrid they will be amazing for 95% of people.

Very interested in the above statement as seriously considering one of these for my next company car. BIK tax will be down to 8% with those figures and used wisely average mpg could be in 70’s.

DevonPaul

1,742 posts

167 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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iphonedyou said:
£86K / £112K as tested - classic Porsche!
I was thinking that, and £113k. For another £2k you could get many of the same options from Aston Martin and get a DB9 thrown in.

RennSportFan

6 posts

54 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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rossfitz said:
He liked the Taycan, but realised after monitoring it the hybrid works better for him. When the new gen batteries arrive with 60 mile range on a hybrid they will be amazing for 95% of people.

Very interested in the above statement as seriously considering one of these for my next company car. BIK tax will be down to 8% with those figures and used wisely average mpg could be in 70’s.
Well, everyone is talking about 'new' battery tech and larger batteries for Hybrids in the next year or two. If Hybrids reach 60 miles on a charge that is a game changer.

If we then combined this with data logging in ULEZ zones, so you are only charged if your ICE kicks in, it would make hybrids the more sensible choice.
We have the tech, set up and account in your car to pay the ULEZ charge, and the car monitors whether it was driven in using electric or not and pays accordingly.

Maybe I am stupid for thinking that these charges are anything to do with being green?




RDMcG

20,863 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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I have driven pretty much the whole range of Panamera and Taycans.

I am very happy with my Panamera ST Turbo bought new.. No hybrid, just a proper V8 with superior permanence. - I even ran it at the Ring and Spa and it was amazingly good for a car of this nature. Not like my RS but surprisingly good for a big car.



anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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myhandle said:
This reminds me of when the Continental R stayed on sale for about a year after the introduction of the Continental GT . 19 years later I still prefer the Continental R as it’s more special than the more capable Continental GT. I feel this way about the Panamera, it’s just more what I like in a car than the Taycan. I parked my lovely dinosaur Arnage R next to a Taycan today, and I’m sure it’s technically clever, but I can absolute never imagine buying (as opposed to leasing) an electric car, or if it being possible to form any kind of emotional relationship with one. I’ve driven a few of the supposedly better ones, the Tesla Roadster based on the Elise, one of the faster Tesla Model S models, a few i3s and an i8 which I drove for a bit in electric mode. They were all like the phone I am typing this on, a reasonable enough product but of absolutely zero interest to anyone really into cars. I can envisage a future where I have c.10 petrol cars, rarely driven, looking beautiful in a lovely garage, and some kind of electric non-entity, whatever the least worst one is, i-Pace maybe? parked outside, leased of course, never washed, and I won’t care if it has curbed wheels or gets scratched any more than if I need to replace the screen on my phone. The battery cars more or less may as well be autonomous for the fun they are to own/ drive. I imagine the people who find them interesting are the same sort of people who find a software update on an iPhone interesting as opposed to an inconvenience.
EVs aren’t as boring as that post was. You’ve outdone yourself.

mrclav

1,645 posts

253 months

Tuesday 5th April 2022
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ajap1979 said:
myhandle said:
This reminds me of when the Continental R stayed on sale for about a year after the introduction of the Continental GT . 19 years later I still prefer the Continental R as it’s more special than the more capable Continental GT. I feel this way about the Panamera, it’s just more what I like in a car than the Taycan. I parked my lovely dinosaur Arnage R next to a Taycan today, and I’m sure it’s technically clever, but I can absolute never imagine buying (as opposed to leasing) an electric car, or if it being possible to form any kind of emotional relationship with one. I’ve driven a few of the supposedly better ones, the Tesla Roadster based on the Elise, one of the faster Tesla Model S models, a few i3s and an i8 which I drove for a bit in electric mode. They were all like the phone I am typing this on, a reasonable enough product but of absolutely zero interest to anyone really into cars. I can envisage a future where I have c.10 petrol cars, rarely driven, looking beautiful in a lovely garage, and some kind of electric non-entity, whatever the least worst one is, i-Pace maybe? parked outside, leased of course, never washed, and I won’t care if it has curbed wheels or gets scratched any more than if I need to replace the screen on my phone. The battery cars more or less may as well be autonomous for the fun they are to own/ drive. I imagine the people who find them interesting are the same sort of people who find a software update on an iPhone interesting as opposed to an inconvenience.
EVs aren’t as boring as that post was. You’ve outdone yourself.
Have a few clapclapclapclap for that. I couldn't agree more.