RE: Alfa Romeo Montreal | Spotted
RE: Alfa Romeo Montreal | Spotted
Wednesday 27th April 2022

Alfa Romeo Montreal | Spotted

Cool city. Cooler car



Even if you could, would you buy a Lamborghini Luton? How about a Bentley Basingstoke, or a Ferrari Frinton? Naming cars after places can work, but only if the place names are cool. Like Montreal. You might associate this beautiful Canadian city with the jazz festivals which started there in 1980. For Alfa Romeo, however, Montreal was a cool place long before that. In 1967 to be precise, when they delivered two knockout concept cars to the World's Fair being held there.

At a time when Zapata-'tached blokes in permanently-creased Crimplene trousers were watching The Persuaders on the telly while fantasising about big-motored two-seater coupes, the Montreal made quite an impact. Nine months before the World's Fair Bertone's poster-boy stylist Marcello Gandini had been given a 1.6 Giulia GT and an invitation to perhaps reconfigure it using the design values of his show-stopping Miura and Countach to create a front-engined car that would also stop the show by representing 'the highest aspiration of Man in terms of cars'.

No pressure, then. All credit to Gandini therefore for coming up with the Montreal's wonderfully distinctive side-slotted, slat-hooded headlight look. A three-way cross between sports car, grand tourer and atelier artwork, the Montreal was lauded by many as the best looking Alfa from the second half of the 20th century. Weighing a claimed 1,312kg and available in some brilliantly period colours like apple green and salmon pink, some of which suited the body shape better than others, it was a scaled-down dream car at an affordable (sort of) price. In the UK it started off at just over £5,000, making it more expensive than the Jaguar E-Type or the Porsche 911.


Unfortunately it was one of those cars that looked better than it went. It could hardly do otherwise to be fair as it did look amazing, dummy NACA bonnet duct notwithstanding. Alfa tried to endow it with a drivetrain worthy of its body panels, and they made a decent fist of that by adapting a quad-cam dry-sump 2.0 V8 from their Autodelta racing stable. It was a perfect engine for the job as long as you were prepared to rev it out in every gear and ideally rebuild it every fortnight.

To boost everyday practicality and relaxing cruisability Alfa bored and stroked the engine it to 2.6 litres (huge for an Italian car of that age) and changed it from flat-plane to regular woofly cross-plane operation before attaching it to a bought-in ZF 5-speed dogleg gearbox. Five-cog boxes were still very much in the minority back then. With fuel injection the V8 produced just under 200hp at 6,500rpm and 173lb ft at 4,750rpm. 0-60mph was supposed to come up in 7.6sec, the max speed was 138mph, and generally speaking the mechanical side of it was very pleasant indeed.

The Montreal's problems were in its chassis, a modded 1750 GTV item which was already showing its age before it was pressed into reluctant service for the new halo product. The steering was unassisted which was fine as long as you weren't doing too much low-speed work, but despite the addition of ventilated disc brakes, beefier rubber on Campagnolo 14in alloys and wider tracks front and rear - and despite it being rear-wheel drive - the Montreal turned out to be quite dodgy at speed. It was very nice for touring and moderately enthusiastic use, but not long after the car's release to the public Alfa hurriedly issued plastic chin spoilers to its dealerships for retro-fitting in an attempt to reduce grip-reducing aero lift.


The Montreal production line ran for six years from 1971 to 1977. Alfa built fewer than 4,000 of them in all that time as they couldn't be bothered trying to get it through the US smog laws. Even so they might have made a lot more if the global oil crisis of 1973 hadn't throttled the performance car sector a year after the Montreal's biggest production year.

Obviously all Montreals still extant will have been restored in some shape or form at some stage in their lives but the cost of doing that isn't as clearly reflected in the prices as you might think. Our Spotted, a later car from 1975, lives in Holland and is priced at 78,500 euro, or a little over £66k at the time of writing. Along with other examples of the breed it's arguably underappreciated and undervalued at that.

Those 'eyelash' slats rotate down and under the headlights by the way. Surely it's worth the asking price for that alone, plus the fact that the only mention of the name 'Montreal' anywhere in the car is on the voluminous ashtray ahead of the gear lever. You can't get any more Seventies than that.


SPECIFICATION | ALFA ROMEO MONTREAL

Engine: 2,594cc V8
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 197@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 173@4,750rpm
MPG: n/a
CO2: n/a
First registered: 1975
Recorded mileage: 88,000
Price new: £5,000 (1970)
Yours for: £66,000 (April 2022 exchange rates)

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Groaver

Original Poster:

84 posts

63 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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IWOOT.
This one will do just fine
Beautiful.

Albie54

29 posts

71 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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I really, really want of these - a rhd, in green - perfection 😀

carinaman

25,217 posts

202 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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I've just noticed that the dash binnacles hold multiple dials rather than just one each for speedometer and tachometer. I've never noticed before.

I think I'd rather have a Giugiaro designed Alfetta GTV with a Nord or Busso engine.

Montreal has the Grand Prix and Wall of Champions. This Alfa isn't cooler than Montreal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2cPQ5L4Qw


AMGSee55

687 posts

132 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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Fantastic - just needs to be orange and driven with suitable attire biggrin


s m

24,478 posts

233 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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Interesting to hear the much-voiced complaints re modern cars and their long gearing preventing you wringing out the revs without the risk of a ticket
This would break the motorway speed limit in second gear



TheMilkyBarKid

880 posts

59 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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One of my all time favourite cars, I just love them. There’d be one of these in my lottery garage; green, silver, orange, as long as it’d been properly looked after I really wouldn’t be fussy cloud9

ChasW

2,162 posts

232 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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Is it just me but these old style comparisons are so much more informative than modern day stuff that covers the "tech", which is a non-essential IMHO

E30KB

301 posts

94 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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Ferrari Frinton

Is that an older model that leaves a puddle if left standing in one place too long ?

E30KB

301 posts

94 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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ld probably be too busy staring at it.

Mr Tidy

31,536 posts

157 months

Wednesday 27th April 2022
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Stunning car with a pretty exotic power-train at the time - lovely. thumbup

staso_oz

15 posts

124 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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I test drove one for sale (in about 1997...) I had a kamm tail spider at the time that was in superb condition. The Montreal was in average condition, and I was very impressed with how well it drove (at 7 tenths). Super smooth v8 (as smooth as any BMW inline 6) and quick to gain revs. Gem of a motor. Nice steering & smooth ride too. Was also surprised by how different the chassis felt to my spider even though it's supposed to be the same. Gandini provides a few interesting insights into the design in a Davide Ceroni interview (see youtube).

Chubbyross

4,992 posts

115 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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That is car perfection for me. Stunning from any angle. Whenever I see one of these out in the wild I stop in my tracks and simply stare at the beauty of it. For me, Gandini was the very best car designer there’s ever been.

JD2329

513 posts

198 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Never seen one in the flesh - 70s top trumps only.
A stunning looking thing, properly exotic.

RosscoPCole

3,626 posts

204 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Stunning car. Reading the magazine Road test I notice that the average mpg is 14!

generationx

9,198 posts

135 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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A green one was parked outside my local the other day - they're tiny! What a lovely thing.

I remember years ago some brave soul used to park a silver one in the street around Barbican. Different times....

Chubbyross

4,992 posts

115 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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generationx said:
A green one was parked outside my local the other day - they're tiny! What a lovely thing.

I remember years ago some brave soul used to park a silver one in the street around Barbican. Different times....
I remember the Barbican one! It used to be garaged underground in Clerkenwell.

bigbadbikercats

651 posts

238 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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I’m vaguely surprised that we’ve got this far down the thread without anybody mentioning the outrageous noise these things make.

I honestly still get chills down my spine remembering the unworldly racket from when one of these things passed me on the way out of Bradford on my bicycle as a teenager going on for 50 years ago. Genuinely the best, most inspiring sounding thing I have ever heard on a public road…

RicksAlfas

14,537 posts

274 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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carinaman said:
I've just noticed that the dash binnacles hold multiple dials rather than just one each for speedometer and tachometer. I've never noticed before.
Yes, plenty going on:



dibblecorse

7,616 posts

222 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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What a cracking car, and pains me to say it but in todays ridiculous price bubbles, its not six figures so almost seems sensible !!!

lordturns

83 posts

216 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Stunning - yes please and one of these