RE: Behold the new manual Toyota Supra
RE: Behold the new manual Toyota Supra
Thursday 28th April 2022

Behold the new manual Toyota Supra

Toyota has already confirmed a six-speed manual for the Supra - now we get the nuggety details



#SAVETHEMANUAL. That's a hashtag we at PH can get behind, so get Tweeting Twitterati. Now. Because the manual is back in vogue it seems. We've only just been blessed with news that Porsche is making a 911 Sport Classic based on the 992 Turbo S, with rear-wheel drive and a self-shifter, and, if you haven't got the big bucks to bag one of those, here's something for us hoi polloi living nearer to the bread line. A Toyota GR Supra with an H-pattern gate. Is it Christmas already? Must be. It means Toyota is offering a triumvirate of manuals: this, the GR Yaris and the GR86.

And this isn't any old manual. Oh no. Apparently, it's intelligent, because Toyota brands it so: the Intelligent Manual Transmission or iMT for short. Now, having read the release, several times, I'm not exactly sure why it's intelligent, but let me quote the passage concerned to see if you can fathom its meaning: 'The iMT transmission uses an intelligent control system programmed with new software that prioritise sporty performance. When upshifting, the parameters are tuned to optimise engine torque at the moment of clutch engagement and release; on downshifts, the software has been fine-tuned for consistent performance.'



Right, what I deduce from this is that the intelligent control system (which in a manual car is the driver, surely) is being programmed with new software. Blimey, this is BIG. The realising of science fiction - the Borg in Star Trek - because owners will be plugged into the collective Toyota mainframe and updated. Pah! Beat that, Musk. This trumps Tesla's over-the-air car updates.

Anyway, back to the sublime and some sense. To avoid a 'sluggish take-off' and provide a bit more in-gear pep, the final drive ratio has been shortened from the auto's 3.15 to 3.46. There's a large diameter clutch with a beefy diaphragm spring to cope with the 3.0-litre straight-six's 340hp, and with the manual the Supra weighs less. The total saving, which includes less sound deadening and a new set of 19-inch wheels, is 21.8kg. Not content with that, Toyota is also introducing a new Lightweight version. This saves a total of 38.3kg over the standard auto with a simplified sound system and by ditching the heavy, leather-trimmed electric seats.

As for the gear lever, Toyota states 'This was not simply a matter of changing one shift lever for another; consideration had to be given to ensuring the gear knob was optimally placed for precise, rapid and rewarding gear changes.' Apparently, there wasn't enough clearance between the gear lever and the dashboard, so some reengineering was required. And here's attention to detail for you: the changes provide 'a comfortable 42mm clearance between the shift knob and air conditioning panel.' And the gear knob weight is a precise 200g, which provides a 'pleasing inertia effect' when used.



There are other changes, like reworked ESP and traction control software and the introduction of a new Hairpin+ function. This allows more wheel spin out of hairpins when the systems are on. Some of the changes have been applied to the auto versions as well. So all Supras come with a new anti-roll programme (ARP), which is designed to prevent snap oversteer, and a revised Track mode that allows easier drifting. The EPAS has also been retuned along with the dampers - a welcome thing in my book, because the GR Supra's steering wasn't great and nor was its body control - and there's more vulcanised rubber in the front and rear anti-roll bar bushes to stiffen those up.

What does the range look like now? Well, its starts with the 2.0-litre Live automatic that's available with optional Premium, Connect and Sport packs. Then there's the 3.0-litre Active automatic, with the option of a Premium pack. And the new models are the 3.0-litre Live Lightweight manual, which is expected to be the most popular GR Supra version, and the 3.0-litre Premium manual that now sits at the top of the tree. There are also some new colours ­­- Moareki Grey, Dawn Blue and Matte Moonstone White - and an optional Alcantara Pack. There's no prices for any of this lot just yet, but expect to read about them before the new lineup goes on sale later this year.










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cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

45,250 posts

211 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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I'm so excited about a 3.0 manual version of this, and I've wanted a manual version since it first came out.

Hats off to Toyota for making it. cool

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

99 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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NNNNGG!

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joropug

3,076 posts

220 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Is this a Toyota or a BMW manual I wonder - Every BMW manual I have had has been disappointing especially the later one in my, obviously not sporty, F30 320d. Long clutch travel and notch shifts made it very tiresome to use.

fido

18,931 posts

286 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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I like the idea of a Lightweight version without leather seats. Don't Toyota usually use Aisin gearboxes, which are pretty decent (MX-5 for example).

Edited by fido on Thursday 28th April 11:19

Olivera

8,843 posts

270 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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I like.

Anyone know why the UK/EU Supra hasn't got the upgrade to 382bhp? It was stated previously 'due to emissions', but then the new UK M240i has this upgraded engine confused

loveice

678 posts

278 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Does this mean soon Morgan will also offer the same 6-speed manual on their 6-cylinder cars?

Sheets Tabuer

21,531 posts

246 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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There's just something about that front end that isn't doing it for me, can't put my finger on it. Other than that a lovely looking car and it will be fantastic to see them again.

Jester86

689 posts

140 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Hats off Toyota.

I've never been too sure on the Supra, mainly styling wise, but dang bringing the manual option back is excellent. I for one would love to try it.

pb8g09

3,294 posts

100 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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I read the article but couldn't see anything regarding price? - I'd like to call out the line in the article about "living closer to the breadline" regarding a car that will likely cost over £45k!

I hope Toyota start bringing more volume of these GR cars for those of us that missed the first batch. Somewhat feels pointless making their products affordable if they still remain unobtainable for those that want one!

wpa1975

14,845 posts

145 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Yes please, I really like that.

rampageturke

2,625 posts

193 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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joropug said:
Is this a Toyota or a BMW manual I wonder - Every BMW manual I have had has been disappointing especially the later one in my, obviously not sporty, F30 320d. Long clutch travel and notch shifts made it very tiresome to use.
It's a BMW box modified by Toyota.

TWPC

911 posts

192 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Good stuff...

...but why no manual option for the 2.0 litre?

It would be the price-leading entry level manual Toyota coupe when the GR86 is gone... (sniff)

Wab1974uk

1,426 posts

58 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Well done Toyota. If the manual is as nice to use in the Supra as it is in the GR-Yaris, then it will be a great addition to the car.

I'm sure they'll still sell more Auto's than manuals, as that's the times we are in. But giving the consumer the choice is what every manufacturer should do.

scz4

2,850 posts

272 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Sooooo much want! Glad to see this is happening!

If I was to replace my F-Type with anything, this would be it! Now seems the right time for one final hurrah before the inevitable happens. I'd even consider buying new, which I've never done before.

Be interesting to see if the Manual is £1500-£2000 cheaper than the auto as you see through the BMW line-up. Suspect they won't be though.

Willo The Wisp

24 posts

55 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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As above if its a BMW box dont get too excited yet as I cant remember a good BMW manual

Antj

1,152 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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To make myself look like the yoof i want to be the first to say.............. "how can this be fun with less than 500bhp and an old fashioned manual box, we want flappy paddles and 600bhp plus"

back to reality.

I've always liked the new supra, forget the BMW blah blah blah. I'm just glad in this day and age that Toyota are still pushing such a line up. they really are on fire at the moment with release after release and on the whole pretty much exactly what people want. You can see the boss is a petrolhead. my only negative is that its a real shame they weren't doing this 20yrs ago as it all feels like a swansong for traditional IC cars and that does make me sad.

but this looks a lovely proposition and no it doesn't need anymore power, cretins whoever suggest that, if you can't go fast with 340bhp then you need to have a word with yourself

Andy83n

612 posts

93 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Olivera said:
I like.

Anyone know why the UK/EU Supra hasn't got the upgrade to 382bhp? It was stated previously 'due to emissions', but then the new UK M240i has this upgraded engine confused
Perhaps it would have had a more detremental effect on Toyota's emmission levels, as a whole, that it would have done on BMWs?

wemorgan

3,583 posts

209 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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"When upshifting, the parameters are tuned to optimise engine torque at the moment of clutch engagement "

I think this sounds like turbo spooling control.

1974foggy

751 posts

175 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Very nice, not many modern cars do it for me but this is lovely, the styling has really grown on me.

BMWM2Black

3,088 posts

249 months

Thursday 28th April 2022
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Willo The Wisp said:
As above if its a BMW box dont get too excited yet as I cant remember a good BMW manual
I have a M2 manual and I think its a good gearbox