RE: Jaguar Mk II 3.8 | Spotted
RE: Jaguar Mk II 3.8 | Spotted
Saturday 21st May 2022

Jaguar Mk II 3.8 | Spotted

Beloved by criminals and a certain TV detective, the Mk II remains a fabulous classic car ownership prospect...


There are a few versions of the Jaguar MkII to choose from, starting with the fuddy-duddy 2.4-litre car that Morse famously drove about Oxford in. Well, more accurately, was pushed about in, if accounts of that example’s dilapidated state and unwillingness to start on cue are to be believed. Even working, 2.4’s were wheezy, though, so you don’t want one of those. Nor the 2.5-litre V8 for that matter, which came only with the Daimler badge attached and didn’t pack much shove, either. The 3.4-litre is the minimum requirement if you don’t want to turn up to a classic car meet and be constantly ridiculed for buying the ‘wrong’ MkII, while the right one is this: a 3.8-litre with its XK motor plucked from the E-Type.

In 3.8 guise, the MkII had a wholesome 223hp and a glut of torque that would see it bomb to sixty in 8.5 seconds, which is a very healthy set of numbers when viewed against its ‘60s contemporaries. Those included staid and lumbering Humbers, Wolseleys, and, at the cheaper end of the market, perhaps a Ford Zephyr or Vauxhall Cresta. The MkII seemed to occupy a middle ground of its own, offering more cache than the blue-collar brigade, while simultaneously emanating a bit too much caddishness for the conservative upper-middle classes. It was a bit nouveau riche, some might’ve said.

Of course, that image was magnified by the criminal masterminds that plucked MkIIs from driveways and roadsides in the dead of night, setting them to work in their clandestine activities. Most famously, perhaps, is the MkII’s role in the Great Train Robbery, with Roy ‘The Weasel’ James at the wheel. Now, James was a handy racing driver in the traditional sense, capable of beating Jackie Stewart on his day, but it’s his sideline as a shadowy getaway driver that made him infamous. This second career reached its zenith with his involvement in the £2.5-million heist that was the largest in the world. He eventually paid the price for this, with a lengthy spell in the clink that curtailed both his business streams.

In their Wolseleys the police had no hope against thieves tooled up with MkIIs, so employed the ‘if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em’ philosophy and got some too – my understanding is the boys in blue paid for theirs, though. I remember an old friend of mine, who worked as a mechanic at North London’s massive Henlys Jaguar dealership in the ‘60’s, telling me that the police cars he serviced had a healthy amount more poke to give them the edge in hot pursuits. Whether that was enough of an edge I don’t know, because surely the forces of evil knew some tricks when it came to teasing a few more horses from an XK.

Whether you’re the sort to turn your nose up or down at the MkII’s image, I challenge anyone to find fault with its Lyons’ lines. Don’t you find it a graceful-looking car from any angle? It wasn’t jarringly radical. It still conveyed hints of the ’50s in that curved boot and narrow, elongated, oval rear screen, but the upright bluntness of the MkVIII’s front end had been reclined and softened. Now look at it side on. Check out how the MkII’s muscularity is most pronounced over the front wheels and falls away with the swage line, stretching and thinning the car towards its rear. What does that remind you of? I’ll tell you what it reminds me of: the leaping Jaguar on its nose. That’s a cunning bit of design, akin to Enzo designing a Ferrari in the shape of a stallion.

Inside it was also a charming mix of old and new. The main dials were positioned behind the steering wheel instead of the centre of the dashboard, which is very different to the pre-war feel of a MkVIII. Only the lovely line of auxiliary dials were left in the centre and all the rocker switches lined up beneath. But all that’s still mounted on a big slab of walnut, which, to me, is terrific. As is the fact that this one is a manual: the manual 'box suits this sporting saloon. I happen to think the colour is spot on, too – light champagne with burnt orange leather. And how lovely is the patina of the leather? It sits on the right side of shabby chic as opposed to just shagged. According to the vendor, it’s had some sympathetic work to keep it healthy but as original as possible. It’s a lovely car, for a lucky buyer with £60,000 to spend.


SPECIFICATION | JAGUAR MKII 3.8

Engine: 3,781cc, straight-six, naturally aspirated
Transmission: 4-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 223
Torque (lb ft): 240
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1963
Recorded mileage: 63,000
Price new: N/A 
Yours for: £59,995

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richinlondon

Original Poster:

893 posts

152 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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My favourite car from childhood onwards, supposed to be a pig to drive though, any comments from anyone with real knowledge on that?

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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I drove a Daimler version, the little engine though. Thought it was lush. It was a few years ago but I don't remember it being hard work.


That is lovely, but all the money I would think. That badge bar would have to go too.

Turbobanana

8,411 posts

231 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Firstly, it's Wolseley, not Wolsey. Thomas Wolsey was the Former Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain but he died in 1530. Don't you people use Google?

Secondly, the Daimler V8 is widely regarded as a little jewel of an engine that suited the car far better than the woeful 2.4 XK. I fear you may be in for a beating from some members of the Classic Cars forum. I've owned a 1967 V8 250 and they are definitely not a pig to drive.

Someone once said that the Daimler was owned by bank managers and solicitors: the Jaguar was owned by their customers.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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I have to agree there, banana.

I remember the Daimler being a lovely little car. It certainly didn't feel big anyway. And that V8 is, err, cosy under that bonnet.

wpa1975

14,697 posts

144 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Always liked these, just a great looking car.

Values have stayed sensible as well.

rare6499

857 posts

169 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Wow, stunning car. Cars were truly art back then.

pottman

320 posts

285 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Lovely as they are I really don’t get the prices these things fetch. Of course I know I am biased, but for 20% of the price of this Mk2 I bought this.



Bigger engine, better rear suspension and my one comes complete with the “swag” sacks in the boot too ..

hippy

cerb4.5lee

44,729 posts

210 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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I'm not old enough to really appreciate these, however I do think that it is a great looking thing. I can also get onboard with a 3.8 engine mated to a manual gearbox, although in my head I thought that this would be an automatic though.

Bobupndown

2,961 posts

73 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Probably my idea of the perfect classic car. Mk11 3.8 in red on chrome wire wheels, I think these are more beautiful than an E type. Power and speed to keep up with modern traffic, looks that everyone admires, space for a family and a bloody big picnic hamper. Just the job for a classic car show.

LotusOmega375D

9,364 posts

183 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Seems pricey to me: I thought these had dropped in value since their peak a few years ago. Maybe they’ve gone back up again? It’s not a concours restoration job, is it? Do love them though: our parents had a 3.8 MOD S-type, for which they paid £3250 ca. 1987. It could really hitch up its skirt and fly. Very heavy clutch, but power steering helped.

andy43

13,222 posts

284 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Turbobanana said:
Firstly, it's Wolseley, not Wolsey. Thomas Wolsey was the Former Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain but he died in 1530. Don't you people use Google?
I was about to post that. Come on PH!

TheMilkyBarKid

879 posts

59 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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pottman said:
Lovely as they are I really don’t get the prices these things fetch. Of course I know I am biased, but for 20% of the price of this Mk2 I bought this.



Bigger engine, better rear suspension and my one comes complete with the “swag” sacks in the boot too ..

hippy
I agree. Whilst the MKII in the article is a truly lovely example (and priced as such) the disparity between MKII values and those of the 420 is strange. Plenty of room for a 60’s gangster to stash a freshly whacked body in the boot too laugh

motco

17,626 posts

276 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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andy43 said:
Turbobanana said:
Firstly, it's Wolseley, not Wolsey. Thomas Wolsey was the Former Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain but he died in 1530. Don't you people use Google?
I was about to post that. Come on PH!
Quite so - a schoolboy (i.e. wet behind the ears) error from a motoring writer.

rjfp1962

9,359 posts

103 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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My gramp had one, a 1962 2.4 manual overdrive until he died in 1976. It didn't seem woeful to me at the time as a lad approaching his teens...!
It was registered on my exact date of birth, and I remember it being sold for a truly woeful £500 - Immaculate condition and only 24k on the clock....!


P5BNij

15,875 posts

136 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Always loved the compact Jags of the ‘60s and would love to own one some day. Growing up in the ‘70s one of our neighbours always had two or three on his drive in various states of repair, his daily driver at the time being a lovely and rather sinister looking black MkX.

Pedant mode on - the train robbers didn’t use Mk2s, they used two Landrovers and an ex-Army truck, although the original plan was to use Jags. Members of the same gang did use Mk2s in their previous little escapade, a raid on Heathrow Airport in ‘62.

wpa1975

14,697 posts

144 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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TheMilkyBarKid said:
pottman said:
Lovely as they are I really don’t get the prices these things fetch. Of course I know I am biased, but for 20% of the price of this Mk2 I bought this.



Bigger engine, better rear suspension and my one comes complete with the “swag” sacks in the boot too ..

hippy
I agree. Whilst the MKII in the article is a truly lovely example (and priced as such) the disparity between MKII values and those of the 420 is strange. Plenty of room for a 60’s gangster to stash a freshly whacked body in the boot too laugh
That is not a 420 but an S Type

LotusOmega375D

9,364 posts

183 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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No it’s not. I am sure the poster knows what he bought!

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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LotusOmega375D said:
No it’s not. I am sure the poster knows what he bought!
To be fair, the poster didn't actually state in his post whether it was a 420 or S type.

lornemalvo

5,137 posts

98 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Turbobanana said:
Firstly, it's Wolseley, not Wolsey. Thomas Wolsey was the Former Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain but he died in 1530. Don't you people use Google?

Secondly, the Daimler V8 is widely regarded as a little jewel of an engine that suited the car far better than the woeful 2.4 XK. I fear you may be in for a beating from some members of the Classic Cars forum. I've owned a 1967 V8 250 and they are definitely not a pig to drive.

Someone once said that the Daimler was owned by bank managers and solicitors: the Jaguar was owned by their customers.
Or perhaps Daimlers were owned by bank managers, Jaguars were owned by the people who robbed them. I had a 3.4 mk 2 and loved it, but would happily have a V8 250, the lighter engine helped handling, I understand and they have been better value for many years

LotusOmega375D

9,364 posts

183 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Tyre Smoke said:
LotusOmega375D said:
No it’s not. I am sure the poster knows what he bought!
To be fair, the poster didn't actually state in his post whether it was a 420 or S type.
“bigger engine” = 420…