RE: Land Rover launches eight-seat Defender 130
RE: Land Rover launches eight-seat Defender 130
Tuesday 31st May 2022

Land Rover launches eight-seat Defender 130

New larger model gets 2+3+3 seat configuration to gatecrash full-size SUV segment


Take a good look at the new Defender 130. Because your initial reaction to that newly extended rear overhang is almost certainly going to govern what you think about Land Rover’s latest attempt to elbow room for itself in a previously untapped market segment. If you think it acceptably well-proportioned - which half the PH office does - then the manufacturer is likely onto a winner, given the very small number of rivals that can claim to seat more than five people in genuine comfort, while retaining the ability to ford a small river. But if you’re in the other camp, Land Rover could be said to have stumbled at the first hurdle. Because who wants an XXL Defender if it looks like a kitchen extension gone wrong? 

Either way, you’re probably curious. And you’re right to be. Land Rover has resuscitated the 130 badge for good reason: globally, people are rather partial to very large SUVs, and the novelty of being able to seat eight adults in comfort where previously it could only accommodate seven at a push is going to fundamentally reposition the L663 Defender. In some markets, its additional size will probably not be a significant concern - but for those of us living in Blighty, it's worth confirming that the ‘elegantly extended’ back end adds 340mm to the car’s length, meaning it now extends to 5,358mm. Which is 36mm longer than the Extended Wheelbase Bentayga revealed by Bentley two weeks ago. By any conventional European measure, this is a big car. 

Of course, it is the Defender’s helpfully capacious dimensions - not least its pre-existing 2m of width - that has allowed Land Rover to insert a full-size third row of seats. As expected, the 130’s wheelbase is unchanged from the 110’s at 3,022mm; the transformation is confined to the overhang, which includes a ‘subtle boat-tail-style uplift’ to offer a 28.5 departure angle (compared with 40 degrees for the 110). Aside from this inevitable limitation, the manufacturer claims ‘unparalleled all-terrain capability’ from the larger model. The 130 lineup gets air suspension as standard, which allows for 71.5mm of additional lift at the front (73.5mm at the back), backed by the Defender’s twin-speed transfer box and Terrain Response-marshalled all-wheel drive system. 

Mated to a carried-over choice of two petrols (the 3.0-litre, six-cylinder Ingenium in either P300 or P400 spec) or a single diesel (the same-size D300), there’s little reason to doubt the Defender’s landscape-conquering potential - or even its capacity for making decent headway on the road. Land Rover hasn’t provided us with a new kerbweight, but given it has wisely declined to equip the 130 with anything less than 346lb ft of torque, even the lowliest version will crack 60mph in 7.5 seconds. It will also tow up to 3,000kg, and oblige a maximum payload of 750kg - which means you really could fill each seat with a EU-spec 75kg adult and still have change leftover for luggage. 

Question is, would you want to? Well, obviously the proof will be in the pudding, but for what it’s worth Land Rover is adamant that the Defender’s ‘familiar outline’ and existing girth has helped it find the room for an ‘uncompromised’ third row. Certainly it appears to have taken the necessary steps to ensure that anyone sitting in the back is not treated like a second-class citizen: when fully kitted, you’ll not only get heated seats, padded armrests, ‘thoughtful’ storage and USB-C connectivity, but also four-zone climate control, stadium seating throughout and a second sunroof above the final row. The manufacturer even reckons getting there is ‘effortless’ thanks to a second row that will ‘slide and fold forwards to provide wide access’. 

It goes without saying we’ve heard this sort of thing before (and still bashed our shins on the way to displeasure) but it’s also worth mentioning that the bar for fold-away rear jump seats is generally so low that the 130 will likely be feted if it is merely pleasant enough for two adults, let alone three. Obviously with both rows upright the loadspace takes a significant hit - Land Rover quotes 389 litres - although the additional length means a very healthy 1,232 litres if you keep the boot floor flat, and a downright cavernous 2,291 litres if you jettison all passengers. You can even have the larger Defender as a five-seater if you wish, which would unlock a total capacity of 2,516 litres. But you’d surely have to like the new silhouette very much indeed to countenance that option. Regardless, for anyone keen to put their money where a very large back end is, the 130 is available to order now from £73,895. 


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Master Bean

Original Poster:

5,252 posts

151 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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I don't understand why the front row doesn't have the 3 seats and the back row 2.

FlukePlay

1,198 posts

176 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Carry 8 rugby playing lads and their gear and you're close to 4 tonnes...

Baddie

807 posts

248 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Carry 8 rugby playing lads and you’re theoretically over the maximum payload…?

Providing it can actually get 8 people wherever they want to go, as well as back again, I think I like it. For me the proportions are more like an original LWB Series/110 Defender than the current ‘110’ is.

100SRV

2,384 posts

273 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Baddie said:
For me the proportions are more like an original LWB Series/110 Defender than the current ‘110’ is.
Agreed, nice proportions.

Wondered if a lower trim level version would become available and whether it's feasible to get a truly flat-floored loadspace with less generously padded seats.

GianiCakes

715 posts

104 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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I think the proportions look ok in the pictures and I might have gone with one of these in 5 seat format had they been available. I also think 340 mm is about the width of the rear mounted spare tyre, so removing it would mean the 130 will be the same length as a 110 with. I intend to remove mine as it adds considerable length for minimal, at least unlikely, benefit and I quite like the Manx cat look without. It’s possible to buy a blanking plate to cover the mounting holes for the bracket. If I ever cross the Kalahari I’ll put it back on.

Pflanzgarten

7,743 posts

56 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Visit at Lou, it works for me. I think practically it would too, if we gloss over the price.

oop north

1,712 posts

159 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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GianiCakes said:
I think the proportions look ok in the pictures and I might have gone with one of these in 5 seat format had they been available
The article says that a five seat version will be available - has the highest rear seats down load capacity at around 2500 litres (though Land Rover exaggerate the volume on boot measurements)

Triumph Man

9,639 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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I think that has improved the proportions, and the additional loadspace will be welcomed by many.

ducnick

2,289 posts

274 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Looks ripe for a commercial variant.

If I was to buy anything JLR and new, it would be this in 3litre diesel form without any chav bits. I think it looks better than the 110 and it’s got more utility to it. Would be interested to see a bonnet mounted spare wheel… probably not possible with modern tyre widths and crash regs.

yme402

670 posts

133 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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GianiCakes said:
I think the proportions look ok in the pictures and I might have gone with one of these in 5 seat format had they been available. I also think 340 mm is about the width of the rear mounted spare tyre, so removing it would mean the 130 will be the same length as a 110 with. I intend to remove mine as it adds considerable length for minimal, at least unlikely, benefit and I quite like the Manx cat look without. It’s possible to buy a blanking plate to cover the mounting holes for the bracket. If I ever cross the Kalahari I’ll put it back on.
If I ever cross the Kalahari, I would be taking a Land Cruiser as it would be nice to make out on the other side.

oilit

2,818 posts

209 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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yme402 said:
If I ever cross the Kalahari, I would be taking a Land Cruiser as it would be nice to make out on the other side.
Its always nice to make out on the other side, but depends who you are with, and i guess if they are that cute who cares what you are driving……..

On a more serious note - I wonder why it can only tow 3000 instead of the normal 3500

oilit

2,818 posts

209 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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yme402 said:
If I ever cross the Kalahari, I would be taking a Land Cruiser as it would be nice to make out on the other side.
Its always nice to make out on the other side, but depends who you are with, and i guess if they are that cute who cares what you are driving……..

On a more serious note - I wonder why it can only tow 3000 instead of the normal 3500

Edited by oilit on Tuesday 31st May 07:56

British Beef

2,573 posts

196 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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oilit said:
Its always nice to make out on the other side, but depends who you are with, and i guess if they are that cute who cares what you are driving……..

On a more serious note - I wonder why it can only tow 3000 instead of the normal 3500
I suspect lever / moments at play with that extra overhang, adding greater load to rear subframe and axle.
OR
To keep total loaded weight with fully loaded trailer to under 7.5 tons limit for DVLA restrictions.

rwindmill

473 posts

189 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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FlukePlay said:
Carry 8 rugby playing lads and their gear and you're close to 4 tonnes...
Given the dimensions of the 130 are now virtually the same as a regular size Ford Transit, just buy a minibus version of the transit, and get the whole team to where they need to play.

But of course, having something the size of a Transit, to use as your daily driver around town would be just stupid......................wouldn't it?

Bill

58,892 posts

286 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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yme402 said:
If I ever cross the Kalahari, I would be taking a Land Cruiser as it would be nice to make out on the other side.
FWIW I crossed the Kalahari in a Defender and it didn't break down once.

If I ever need to replace my D4 this is the Defender I'd want.

Pflanzgarten

7,743 posts

56 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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ducnick said:
Looks ripe for a commercial variant.
Now that would be interesting.

Lotus Driver

13 posts

113 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Bill said:
yme402 said:
If I ever cross the Kalahari, I would be taking a Land Cruiser as it would be nice to make out on the other side.
FWIW I crossed the Kalahari in a Defender and it didn't break down once.

If I ever need to replace my D4 this is the Defender I'd want.
We made it in a Corrola hire car


vikingaero

13,508 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Master Bean said:
I don't understand why the front row doesn't have the 3 seats and the back row 2.
I'm sure you could perch a small child on the centre armrest... in other countries.

The extra length changes it from a twee fashion SUV, and makes it look more mature and conservative.

GianiCakes

715 posts

104 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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oop north said:
The article says that a five seat version will be available - has the highest rear seats down load capacity at around 2500 litres (though Land Rover exaggerate the volume on boot measurements)
Yes, I meant available when I ordered my 110. Given the 14 month expected delivery on that I should probably order one of these to be ready for 2026.

Candida

34 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st May 2022
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Bill said:
If I ever need to replace my D4 this is the Defender I'd want.
You’d find it ungainly. We got a 110 when the D3 had to be shot. The wheelbase is so long manoeuvrability at low speed is poor. Add another half a yard on the back and it’s going to be like reverse parking the Ark Royal.