Newer reg on older car
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tali1 said:
Thought you couldn't put newer reg .Should be a D-reg, but showing as M -reg.Nothing in advert about it being imported and Date of reg is 22Jan 1987 .https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175304984795?hash=item28d0fdc8db:g:S7UAAOSwGbZiYZCv
First registration in the UK was 22/01/1987 so if it’s a 1985 car it was first registered elsewhere, but it was registered in the UK on a different registration ****VC, that was removed in August 1997, so I assume it’s a DVLA f
k up and they stuck a 1997 plate on it then. Years ago they gave an imported car a registration plate for the year it was first imported and registered in the UK, so it’s not a “F**k up” These days you get an age related registration on imported vehicles as long as you can produce evidence to support when the vehicle was manufactured.
Gunk said:
Years ago they gave an imported car a registration plate for the year it was first imported and registered in the UK, so it’s not a “F**k up” These days you get an age related registration on imported vehicles as long as you can produce evidence to support when the vehicle was manufactured.
It was registered in the UK in ‘87It had a ‘97 plate applied in ‘97
So it is a f
k up. By your logic it should have an ‘87 plate on it.know someone who just told insurance co there changing plate, give them a much newer standard dated reg conveniently ending in his initials (out by 6 years) and insurance did it no hassle, new certificate issued and AskMid updated.
They just put it on older car and keep both MOT & taxed along with changing back to old reg for MOT once a year so both are taxed, MOT & ins on older car (Gets temp insurance when drives car it came with just in case) showing newer cars reg so it's just a displaying wrong reg ticket, has 100 quids set aside for the ticket he expected at least four and a half years ago now lol.
AskMid shows old cars ins on newer reg too.
They just put it on older car and keep both MOT & taxed along with changing back to old reg for MOT once a year so both are taxed, MOT & ins on older car (Gets temp insurance when drives car it came with just in case) showing newer cars reg so it's just a displaying wrong reg ticket, has 100 quids set aside for the ticket he expected at least four and a half years ago now lol.
AskMid shows old cars ins on newer reg too.
Edited by NFT on Saturday 18th June 16:12
NFT said:
know someone who just told insurance co there changing plate, give them a much newer standard dated reg conveniently ending in his initials (out by 6 years) and insurance did it no hassle, new certificate issued and AskMid updated.
They just put it on older car and keep both MOT & taxed along with changing back to old reg for MOT once a year so both are taxed, MOT & ins on older car (Gets temp insurance when drives car it came with just in case) showing newer cars reg so it's just a displaying wrong reg ticket, has 100 quids set aside for the ticket he expected at least four and a half years ago now lol.
AskMid shows old cars ins on newer reg too.
Is this written in some kind of code? I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about…or have I just had one bottle too many?They just put it on older car and keep both MOT & taxed along with changing back to old reg for MOT once a year so both are taxed, MOT & ins on older car (Gets temp insurance when drives car it came with just in case) showing newer cars reg so it's just a displaying wrong reg ticket, has 100 quids set aside for the ticket he expected at least four and a half years ago now lol.
AskMid shows old cars ins on newer reg too.
Edited by NFT on Saturday 18th June 16:12
Possibly this?
Get an age-related registration number
DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle, all over 25 years old and of the same specification as the original vehicle
a true reflection of the marque
The appropriate vehicle owners’ club for the vehicle type (‘marque’) must inspect the vehicle and confirm in writing that it:
has been inspected
is a true reflection of the marque
is comprised of genuine period components all over 25 years old
They must also give manufacture dates for the major components.
DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.
Get an age-related registration number
DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle, all over 25 years old and of the same specification as the original vehicle
a true reflection of the marque
The appropriate vehicle owners’ club for the vehicle type (‘marque’) must inspect the vehicle and confirm in writing that it:
has been inspected
is a true reflection of the marque
is comprised of genuine period components all over 25 years old
They must also give manufacture dates for the major components.
DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.
littleredrooster said:
Is this written in some kind of code? I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about…or have I just had one bottle too many?
Struggled to explain it myself lol,It is an option to insure your older car on your newer cars reg and put it on risking a fine from plod if he thinks the v5 should match up,
This one that I know vainly bought a newer car, by 6 years as it was an RX8 on normal reg ending in his initials, (He wanted for the plate so it was discreet but personal) then fitted it to what he calls his classic BMW which was 6 years older, BMW looks newer by the reg to people not knowing the BMW and DVLA would not have transferred it,
He crashed into a nice and expensive car and they paid out without bother after giving him the insurance certificate and putting his older BMW as insured on his mazdas reg on askMid, he had also been stopped for speeding and plod said nothing, as he was being sent on his way he said so officer is not bothered then, perhaps stupidly talking himself into a ticket, that officer went blank, had no idea, went and sat in his car for a bit, came back and said so long as the car has tax, MOT and insurer has insured it he personally is not concerned if DVLA have issued a v5 or not since name & address is the same so the reg is traced to him for tickets and that reg is also on MID tied to that car by insurer and he will get any ticket (Speeding etc..) in post if goes through a camera and is insured and otherwise all in order. Also warned that if he tried to appeal a speeding fine saying not his car he would then risk going to court for fraud as clearly he has insured it and owns both so not to try.
I also know another chap who has three nice cars wearing his three letter plate, he has them all insured on his plate, never tells DVLA he is transferring it as doesn't know until he gets in it which car he will choose, and his insurer said they have no issue if he has told dvla which one he is driving or not so long as the car he wishes to claim for is insured with them, and they had no problem insuring all three at once on the same reg, giving him three separate certificates for three separate cars all with the same reg when he explained he simply does not know which one he will drive, but will want them insured on the same reg.
This could also explain any listing with a newer reg when you cannot by DVLA rules, put a newer reg on an old car, some people just do not care and do it anyway. Then keep both cars with tax and with an MOT to avoid any unwanted clamping or tugs.
But the v5 would not match as DVLA would not have wanted to allow a car to look newer if they have done this. But as above DVLA could have issued a registration based on the oldest component. Issue if the way i know it is also done is you would not get the plate unless also bought other car and have hassle of keeping both well maintained, taxed and MOT's each year.
Edited by NFT on Sunday 19th June 03:00
Lol topic is that you can't put a newer reg on older car, OP found a listing (for sale, on ebay) with reg newer than the car.
DVLA will not transfer your reg and issue you a new Log book if car will look newer, and say no because the car will look newer.
Some people own multiple cars and just bolt the newer cars reg on their old car if they like the look better, and tell insurer who insure the older car for that newer reg. (insurer give a certificate reflecting that in writing, and put on Motor Insurance Database, in his case was a plate for an RX8, but came up on AskMid as (his 6 years older) BMW and police system seeming to use insurance database and not DVLA)
Or some order multiple sets and bolt a bought private plate (often that is not tied to a date prefix) on all cars, tell insurer and go about driving all their cars with the same reg.
People spot this or they list it for sale and someone gets curious as they know DVLA will not process transfer of a newer reg to an older car.
DVLA will not transfer your reg and issue you a new Log book if car will look newer, and say no because the car will look newer.
Some people own multiple cars and just bolt the newer cars reg on their old car if they like the look better, and tell insurer who insure the older car for that newer reg. (insurer give a certificate reflecting that in writing, and put on Motor Insurance Database, in his case was a plate for an RX8, but came up on AskMid as (his 6 years older) BMW and police system seeming to use insurance database and not DVLA)
Or some order multiple sets and bolt a bought private plate (often that is not tied to a date prefix) on all cars, tell insurer and go about driving all their cars with the same reg.
People spot this or they list it for sale and someone gets curious as they know DVLA will not process transfer of a newer reg to an older car.
Edited by NFT on Sunday 19th June 13:05
DickyC said:
Try reading it like Stanley Unwin.
I guess it reads something like he talks here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJZF5iRhNg
NFT said:
Lol topic is that you can't put a newer reg on older car, OP found a listing (for sale, on ebay) with reg newer than the car.
DVLA will not transfer your reg and issue you a new Log book if car will look newer, and say no because the car will look newer.
Some people own multiple cars and just bolt the newer cars reg on their old car if they like the look better, and tell insurer who insure the older car for that newer reg. (insurer give a certificate reflecting that in writing, and put on Motor Insurance Database, in his case was a plate for an RX8, but came up on AskMid as (his 6 years older) BMW and police system seeming to use insurance database and not DVLA)
Or some order multiple sets and bolt a bought private plate (often that is not tied to a date prefix) on all cars, tell insurer and go about driving all their cars with the same reg.
People spot this or they list it for sale and someone gets curious as they know DVLA will not process transfer of a newer reg to an older car.
What you have posted makes no sense. I think you are implying your friend has an RX8 with a personal reg but he displays it on his older BMW? DVLA will not transfer your reg and issue you a new Log book if car will look newer, and say no because the car will look newer.
Some people own multiple cars and just bolt the newer cars reg on their old car if they like the look better, and tell insurer who insure the older car for that newer reg. (insurer give a certificate reflecting that in writing, and put on Motor Insurance Database, in his case was a plate for an RX8, but came up on AskMid as (his 6 years older) BMW and police system seeming to use insurance database and not DVLA)
Or some order multiple sets and bolt a bought private plate (often that is not tied to a date prefix) on all cars, tell insurer and go about driving all their cars with the same reg.
People spot this or they list it for sale and someone gets curious as they know DVLA will not process transfer of a newer reg to an older car.
Edited by NFT on Sunday 19th June 13:05
Yes, it is £100 fine for failing to display the correct registration but in theory he is uninsured as DVLA will not hold a record for his car therefore it is illegal.
In regards the police using MID data, they would also cross reference DVLA and see there’s a problem and should look into it.
In regards the car the OP is referring to, that is a legacy from the DVLA local offices accidentally assigning new reg numbers to imports or cars that have come off cherished numbers where an age related plate was not previously issued.
NFT said:
I also know another chap who has three nice cars wearing his three letter plate, he has them all insured on his plate, never tells DVLA he is transferring it as doesn't know until he gets in it which car he will choose, and his insurer said they have no issue if he has told dvla which one he is driving or not so long as the car he wishes to claim for is insured with them, and they had no problem insuring all three at once on the same reg, giving him three separate certificates for three separate cars all with the same reg when he explained he simply does not know which one he will drive, but will want them insured on the same reg.
Three cars, all with the same registration ?
So thats three cars with V5's all with the same reg, or three cars with V5's with different registrations ?
Auto810graphy said:
NFT said:
Lol topic is that you can't put a newer reg on older car, OP found a listing (for sale, on ebay) with reg newer than the car.
DVLA will not transfer your reg and issue you a new Log book if car will look newer, and say no because the car will look newer.
Some people own multiple cars and just bolt the newer cars reg on their old car if they like the look better, and tell insurer who insure the older car for that newer reg. (insurer give a certificate reflecting that in writing, and put on Motor Insurance Database, in his case was a plate for an RX8, but came up on AskMid as (his 6 years older) BMW and police system seeming to use insurance database and not DVLA)
Or some order multiple sets and bolt a bought private plate (often that is not tied to a date prefix) on all cars, tell insurer and go about driving all their cars with the same reg.
People spot this or they list it for sale and someone gets curious as they know DVLA will not process transfer of a newer reg to an older car.
What you have posted makes no sense. I think you are implying your friend has an RX8 with a personal reg but he displays it on his older BMW? DVLA will not transfer your reg and issue you a new Log book if car will look newer, and say no because the car will look newer.
Some people own multiple cars and just bolt the newer cars reg on their old car if they like the look better, and tell insurer who insure the older car for that newer reg. (insurer give a certificate reflecting that in writing, and put on Motor Insurance Database, in his case was a plate for an RX8, but came up on AskMid as (his 6 years older) BMW and police system seeming to use insurance database and not DVLA)
Or some order multiple sets and bolt a bought private plate (often that is not tied to a date prefix) on all cars, tell insurer and go about driving all their cars with the same reg.
People spot this or they list it for sale and someone gets curious as they know DVLA will not process transfer of a newer reg to an older car.
Edited by NFT on Sunday 19th June 13:05
Yes, it is £100 fine for failing to display the correct registration but in theory he is uninsured as DVLA will not hold a record for his car therefore it is illegal.
In regards the police using MID data, they would also cross reference DVLA and see there’s a problem and should look into it.
In regards the car the OP is referring to, that is a legacy from the DVLA local offices accidentally assigning new reg numbers to imports or cars that have come off cherished numbers where an age related plate was not previously issued.
The friend leaves the RX8 as is and has a second set of plates made up bearing the mark 'HP02TOM'. He takes the 'M123HNP' number plates off the BMW and attaches the 'HP02TOM' set. He then telephones his insurance company and informs them that the registration of the BMW has been changed to 'HP02TOM'. They don't question the plate change, age-wise at least, and issue a new insurance certificate for the BMW bearing registration 'HP02TOM'. The RX8, at the same time, is insured on another policy, presumably with another insurer, and is driven round bearing registration 'HP02TOM'.
The RX8 is kosher, the BMW is not. Its true identity remains 'M123HNP', but the insurance certificate is now slightly hooky along with the car. The BMW's MOT needs not be, as the car can be presented for a test with 'M123HNP' attached. Tax, God knows, but I suspect it hasn't got any.
The offence, as has been noted, is display of a defective registration mark. The car will be insured, however, the insurer can't wriggle out of third party liabilities on that basis. Whether they would refuse a claim for damage to the BMW remains to be seen. What he's doing, in effect, is a form of cloning; God knows what would happen if he set off a speed camera or similar in the BMW.
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