RE: Caterham CSR R500 Superlight for sale
RE: Caterham CSR R500 Superlight for sale
Monday 13th June 2022

Caterham CSR R500 Superlight for sale

Fancy a CSR with an R500 engine? You're living in the right place...


Once upon a time, news of Westfield’s sad plight might’ve triggered a few smug grins at Caterham HQ. Not outright celebrations, of course - after all, people’s livelihoods are at stake - but the demise of a close rival in a niche business environment tends to mean more customers. And Westfield had been the cheaper thorn in Caterham’s side for decades. Consequently, it could be forgiven for experiencing something like the triumphalism of a big brother watching a younger sibling taking a game-ending football in the groin. 

But not, you suspect, in 2022. We still don’t know the full story behind Westfield’s spiral into administration, but unquestionably Caterham will understand and sympathise with the pressures it must’ve been under. Faced with increasingly stringent safety legislation, emission restrictions, and, in the fullness of time, electrification, there is probably no low volume carmaker in the UK that can claim to see nothing but plain sailing in its near- to long-term future. Significant change requires significant investment, and that can be difficult to come by in the best of times. Which these categorically are not. 

Nevertheless, we remain optimistic. Needless to say, PH has collectively cross its fingers for Westfield, and the possibility of someone returning it briskly to health. But, as ever, we’re also encouraged by the specialness inherent in the cars still being produced in the UK. There is no finer soup for the soul than standing next to the factory doors of Ariel or Caterham or Morgan or half a dozen other firms and watching hand-built, world-beating loveliness emerge. 

Moreover, let’s not forget the men and women underwriting all the endeavour. British carmakers depend on British buyers, and there is apparently no population on earth that can be counted on to write increasingly large checks for noisy bits of scaffolding than the one which inhabits this small island. And while there are brilliant people to do the buying, the market will find a way to do brilliant. 

Case in point: this Caterham CSR R500 Superlight. We’re fairly confident Caterham didn’t think to combine a CSR chassis with the lighter 2.0-litre Duratec motor and dash from the R500 by itself. No, an enterprising individual almost certainly turned up on the proverbial doorstep with a bright idea and what was presumably a blank cheque, and said “how about you build me this?” and they did, and now the world is an infinitesimally nicer place to live as a result. 

Whether it’s a total one-off or not (we think it is, but are more than happy to be told that there are a few more swarming around the place like angry bees) it is certainly very rare, and therefore probably deserving of its £49,950 asking price. We’re also not entirely fussed by the question of whether or not the smaller Ford unit is actually a better fit for the CSR than the Cosworth-tuned motor it was originally twinned with. We just love that it exists, that you can buy it right now, and then spend the rest of the summer getting busy with adding to its impressive 19k odometer reading. Power to the people. 


Author
Discussion

spannerman7

Original Poster:

4 posts

204 months

Monday 13th June 2022
quotequote all
I remember building that.

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

188 months

Monday 13th June 2022
quotequote all
This feels like a series of adverts for Joe Macari the XJ220 was from there too. Doesn't take away from it being an interesting car but was the R500 not a bhp/ton marker so the engine itself was not as significant as the weight loss.

aestivator

265 posts

61 months

Monday 13th June 2022
quotequote all
Great colour too.

jenkosrugby

258 posts

251 months

Monday 13th June 2022
quotequote all
A wonderful car no doubt.......but at that price you are in the ball park of a 2 year old Caterham 620 (310bhp). I'm just struggling to see where the price is justified.


Edited by jenkosrugby on Monday 13th June 15:24

Murph7355

42,037 posts

287 months

Monday 13th June 2022
quotequote all
I'm too old school.

An R500 should be an S3, as low weight as possible and a K-series.

Jon_S_Rally

4,509 posts

119 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Gecko1978 said:
This feels like a series of adverts for Joe Macari the XJ220 was from there too. Doesn't take away from it being an interesting car but was the R500 not a bhp/ton marker so the engine itself was not as significant as the weight loss.
PH makes its money from ads. Dealers pay to advertise cars, and I suspect part of that includes cars being featured on the site. The only way round it is to stop taking money from dealers, which would mean the members have to pay for the forum. I doubt many would be willing to do that, so here we are.

Tickle

6,522 posts

235 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
jenkosrugby said:
A wonderful car no doubt.......but at that price you are in the ball park of a 2 year old Caterham 620 (310bhp). I'm just struggling to see where the price is justified.


Edited by jenkosrugby on Monday 13th June 15:24
I guess it's rarity and the independent rear suspension that marks the CSR chassis different to 'normal' 7s.

Would love to try one, not just a CSR any 7!

Chunkychucky

6,094 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Murph7355 said:
I'm too old school.

An R500 should be an S3, as low weight as possible and a K-series.
Was going to say thought R500 = K series? confused

TheJimi

27,781 posts

274 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Chunkychucky said:
Murph7355 said:
I'm too old school.

An R500 should be an S3, as low weight as possible and a K-series.
Was going to say thought R500 = K series? confused
Early R500s = K Series

Later R500s = Duratec

kars

221 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Murph7355 said:
I'm too old school.

An R500 should be an S3, as low weight as possible and a K-series.
Agree! + Wider body looks somewhat wrong

Murph7355

42,037 posts

287 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
kars said:
Murph7355 said:
I'm too old school.

An R500 should be an S3, as low weight as possible and a K-series.
Agree! + Wider body looks somewhat wrong
It does to my eyes too. And the narrower chassis is way more intimate (I'm 6'4" and have been touching 19st during my 27yrs with my car - much less now - and fit fine...the number of people *needing* an SV is going to be small).

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

188 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Jon_S_Rally said:
Gecko1978 said:
This feels like a series of adverts for Joe Macari the XJ220 was from there too. Doesn't take away from it being an interesting car but was the R500 not a bhp/ton marker so the engine itself was not as significant as the weight loss.
PH makes its money from ads. Dealers pay to advertise cars, and I suspect part of that includes cars being featured on the site. The only way round it is to stop taking money from dealers, which would mean the members have to pay for the forum. I doubt many would be willing to do that, so here we are.
Agree and It was interesting read and JM has lots of cool cars. I think we should perhaps have a banner saying its a paid promotion...if it is.

Also what's the power to weight of this is it still R500

Betty-2018

9 posts

68 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Having owned 2 SEI Westfields - a 1600CVH & a 1.8 Nissan turbo engined beast, both of which were under 10k at the time, I could never understand the high costs of Caterhams, yes they are derived from the wonderful Lotus 7 but, having viewed a fair amount of Factory & self build Caterhams in my opinion they are & were already over priced compared to Westfield & in some cases no better quality.
It’s sad that Westfield has fallen on hard times however, this is good news for current owners of factory / self build cars looking to sell, they can now only go up in value ( just look at TVR)

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

54 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Betty-2018 said:
Having owned 2 SEI Westfields - a 1600CVH & a 1.8 Nissan turbo engined beast, both of which were under 10k at the time, I could never understand the high costs of Caterhams, yes they are derived from the wonderful Lotus 7 but, having viewed a fair amount of Factory & self build Caterhams in my opinion they are & were already over priced compared to Westfield & in some cases no better quality.
It’s sad that Westfield has fallen on hard times however, this is good news for current owners of factory / self build cars looking to sell, they can now only go up in value ( just look at TVR)
Totally agree with this. Brother has a Caterham 7 and a Westfield. There really is no difference in quality at all and the extra cost of the Caterham isn't justified.
The Caterham may be derived from the Lotus 7 but like the Westfield isn't a Lotus 7...

Sandpit Steve

15,586 posts

105 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
Gecko1978 said:
Agree and It was interesting read and JM has lots of cool cars. I think we should perhaps have a banner saying its a paid promotion...if it is.

Also what's the power to weight of this is it still R500
“Spotted” features are usually dealer cars - the same dealers that are going to be the best customers of this site in advertising £££ that funds the editorial content. If I spent a lot of cash every month advertising cars here, it would be nice if they occasionally pulled out one or two to highlight. I think a symbiotic relationship, rather than explicitly a paid promotion.

Sean Toms

23 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
I compete a Superlight R400 K Series in hill climbs , from the factory it weighted 490kgs and had 200 bhp , a CSR with a stock engine is 575kgs and 260bhp , because of the extra weight the power is largely wasted.

A better option ( if you are competing ) is an R500 Duratec , 263 bhp and again 490 kg

This price for the hotch potch mix at £49995 is also high as others have said.

Pistonheads have had a 2017 620R dealer car up for sale at £44995 for ages. I bet a bid of £43500 would take it !

GP Sevens have another long advertised R500 at 286 bhp ( hmn , longevity ? ) with a sequential box ......at £38995 .

A similar R500 they discounted to £32995 to shift it

Its about deciding what you do most of :

Touring , get a wide body CSR with comfy seats and great performance and a nice ride.

Racing , you need an S3 , probably an R500 Duractec , tillet seats , proper cage etc

Also suprising to see how many top power cars for sale have minimal safety kit , bog standard roll bars rarely FIA compliant , no battery immobiliser etc

I had to add to mine after purchase

FIA ( Academy cage ) , side impact bars , battery immobiliser , fire extinguisher , no doubt the weight rose 25kg but my son said you will welcome that cage Dad when you are sliding upside down towards a kerb if you only had a rear roll bar ...........thanks comforting thought lets not test it I responded.





ffhard

239 posts

159 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
This will sound petty, so argue if you wish, but I couldn't live with that dashboard. A car like this needs, REALLY needs, proper dials and flip switches.
And, for the money, that's what I would want.

SuperSonicSloth

158 posts

103 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
quotequote all
ffhard said:
This will sound petty, so argue if you wish, but I couldn't live with that dashboard. A car like this needs, REALLY needs, proper dials and flip switches.
And, for the money, that's what I would want.
I couldn't agree more! Ignoring any other considerations, this style of dash looks completely out of place in a Caterham.

Yarlsberg

116 posts

128 months

Wednesday 15th June 2022
quotequote all
cheque, not ‘check’, isn’t this is an English website??

Hairymonster

1,678 posts

136 months

Wednesday 15th June 2022
quotequote all
Gecko1978 said:
This feels like a series of adverts for Joe Macari the XJ220 was from there too. Doesn't take away from it being an interesting car but was the R500 not a bhp/ton marker so the engine itself was not as significant as the weight loss.
Macari's cars are always waaaaaaaaay over-priced.