Stolen - Guilia Quadrifoglio LM70 XNY
Discussion
FatboyKim said:
Doesn't help your colleague whatsoever, and I hope that the car is found undamaged, but here's yet another reason to keep keyless keys in a £5 signal blocker pouch/box.
Obviously Alfa Romeo are not one of those manufacturers to have sought to partially address the issue by sending the key into sleep mode if it hasn't been moved for a while. I think that it's rubbish to have to use a pouch (however little it costs) but I still do even with a late model Mercedes where this issue has seemingly been addressed.Best of luck to the owner.
Fady said:
...I think that it's rubbish to have to use a pouch (however little it costs) but I still do even with a late model Mercedes where this issue has seemingly been addressed.
As do I, but using a signal-blocking pouch/box is another line of defence, and is quicker and easier than waiting for Alfa Romeo etc. to get round to redesigning their entry systems.take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
What I've understood with these clever theft tricks is the person working out how to do it is probably smart enough to earn ~ 1k per diem contracting to an OEM.
So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
Because 1, 2, 5 cars per night is much more than £1k per diem?So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
What I've understood with these clever theft tricks is the person working out how to do it is probably smart enough to earn ~ 1k per diem contracting to an OEM.
So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
Because they aren't just suddenly going to go 'straight' and change their ways after a life of being violent scumbags who should've been terminated immediately upon birth. They will earn a hell of a lot more than £1k/day by nicking the odd high end car, having the thrill of joyriding an AMG or Audi RS (or Alfa Quadraflogithingy), and loading it into a container destined for Europe or breaking it for parts in an anonymous warehouse unit somewhere.So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
AyBee said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
What I've understood with these clever theft tricks is the person working out how to do it is probably smart enough to earn ~ 1k per diem contracting to an OEM.
So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
Because 1, 2, 5 cars per night is much more than £1k per diem?So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
Car thieves are generally brazen, but as thick as two tonnes of pig excrement.
The real geniuses behind these hacks, exploits, boxes of tricks or whatever are never seen. The thieves are their customers.
Rich Boy Spanner said:
You can't win. If the keyless entry can't be piggy backed they break into your house. Know two friends had that done recently. The can bus method is new to me though.
Indeed. Given the choice, I'd rather my car/bike disappear mysteriously in the night than having a machete waved in my face at 3AMThankfully, I don't think a Fiat Panda is high up on the order list at the moment.
How they got in and why tracker went out quickly I can understand as I have work in auto industry,
A lot of times manufacturers implement a feature but give no real money to theft scenario's leaving it stupidly easy to bypass for next to no money, let alone buying a cheap chinese locksmith tool to do keys afterwards, new tech is often primitive (First military's communication satellites & drones in iraq had no encryption/authentication at first.. old key fobs started off with the same code or slow count every time, then easy to predict and capture for later use algorithm, early immobilizers & Subaru anti hijack keypad needed wire pulling out and twisting together) but functional, Keyless entry rolled out factory needing just a simple radio wave repeater, so block the key signal if you want to avoid theft but Can bus is becoming popular as a lot of research into it is being published then used by people that can download a file and upload to an Arduino so further anti theft measures are needed but then there is the risk of violent home invasion as mentioned. (I sincerely hope real violent & organized crime is vastly smaller than try your luck and thefts due to ease of knowledge & capacity getting to youth wanting something fast & free without insurance or tax costs as I know people put steering locks & wheel clamps on)
It's odd that thieves having can bus hacking equipment and normally a GSM & GPS jammer that can be cobbled together for a fiver did not throw on pre made clip on plates within 60 seconds round the corner, then went through ANPR without so much as a bin liner to have no trace.. In that area plod may have looked for a similar make & model going by, contacted that owner to see if was them and detected a clone which could save someone some grief in speeding tickets & enquiries later on.
A lot of times manufacturers implement a feature but give no real money to theft scenario's leaving it stupidly easy to bypass for next to no money, let alone buying a cheap chinese locksmith tool to do keys afterwards, new tech is often primitive (First military's communication satellites & drones in iraq had no encryption/authentication at first.. old key fobs started off with the same code or slow count every time, then easy to predict and capture for later use algorithm, early immobilizers & Subaru anti hijack keypad needed wire pulling out and twisting together) but functional, Keyless entry rolled out factory needing just a simple radio wave repeater, so block the key signal if you want to avoid theft but Can bus is becoming popular as a lot of research into it is being published then used by people that can download a file and upload to an Arduino so further anti theft measures are needed but then there is the risk of violent home invasion as mentioned. (I sincerely hope real violent & organized crime is vastly smaller than try your luck and thefts due to ease of knowledge & capacity getting to youth wanting something fast & free without insurance or tax costs as I know people put steering locks & wheel clamps on)
It's odd that thieves having can bus hacking equipment and normally a GSM & GPS jammer that can be cobbled together for a fiver did not throw on pre made clip on plates within 60 seconds round the corner, then went through ANPR without so much as a bin liner to have no trace.. In that area plod may have looked for a similar make & model going by, contacted that owner to see if was them and detected a clone which could save someone some grief in speeding tickets & enquiries later on.
Edited by NFT on Thursday 30th June 11:47
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
What I've understood with these clever theft tricks is the person working out how to do it is probably smart enough to earn ~ 1k per diem contracting to an OEM.
So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
Perhaps some of the people working out how to do this are STILL contracting with an OEM.So why rsk doing dodgy stuff like this.
NFT said:
A lot of times manufacturers implement a feature but give no real money to theft scenario's leaving it stupidly easy to bypass for next to no money, let alone buying a cheap chinese locksmith tool to do keys afterwards, new tech is often primitive (First military's communication satellites & drones in iraq had no encryption/authentication at first.. old key fobs started off with the same code or slow count every time, then easy to predict and capture for later use algorithm, early immobilizers & Subaru anti hijack keypad needed wire pulling out and twisting together) but functional, Keyless entry rolled out factory needing just a simple radio wave repeater, so block the key signal if you want to avoid theft but Can bus is becoming popular as a lot of research into it is being published then used by people that can download a file and upload to an Arduino so further anti theft measures are needed but then there is the risk of violent home invasion as mentioned. (I sincerely hope real violent & organized crime is vastly smaller than try your luck and thefts due to ease of knowledge & capacity getting to youth wanting something fast & free without insurance or tax costs as I know people put steering locks & wheel clamps on)
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NFT said:
A lot of times manufacturers implement a feature but give no real money to theft scenario's leaving it stupidly easy to bypass for next to no money, let alone buying a cheap chinese locksmith tool to do keys afterwards, new tech is often primitive (First military's communication satellites & drones in iraq had no encryption/authentication at first.. old key fobs started off with the same code or slow count every time, then easy to predict and capture for later use algorithm, early immobilizers & Subaru anti hijack keypad needed wire pulling out and twisting together) but functional, Keyless entry rolled out factory needing just a simple radio wave repeater, so block the key signal if you want to avoid theft but Can bus is becoming popular as a lot of research into it is being published then used by people that can download a file and upload to an Arduino so further anti theft measures are needed but then there is the risk of violent home invasion as mentioned. (I sincerely hope real violent & organized crime is vastly smaller than try your luck and thefts due to ease of knowledge & capacity getting to youth wanting something fast & free without insurance or tax costs as I know people put steering locks & wheel clamps on)
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