RE: VW marks 20 years of Phaeton with D2 concept
RE: VW marks 20 years of Phaeton with D2 concept
Thursday 7th July 2022

VW marks 20 years of Phaeton with D2 concept

Despite it all, there was a Mk2 Phaeton lined up - here's what might have been


Plenty has changed in the automotive world over the past 20 years, surely much more than the 20 years which came before 2002. Now, looking back on the heady days of the early 21st century, nothing quite seems so of its time as the VW Phaeton. Even then we knew that mass market manufacturers struggled in the premium space, but this was Piech-era VW, and so the move to luxury was going to be made with a W12-engined four-door saloon. A 6.0-litre, 12-cylinder Volkswagen saloon to take on the best from Bentley, BMW, Rolls-Royce, Mercedes and the rest still seems barmy - like we said, of its time.

Now it’s 20 years since the first Phaeton, VW has shown what might have been had the second generation been given the green light. This ‘D2’ car was conceived in 2016, and was very close to production; it was based on the MLB platform and had a functioning interior with plenty of the features still being seen today. It was the Phaeton concept chosen out of four possible cars, and would have made production it seems - China surely would have lapped it up - were it not for the Dieselgate fallout. 2016 was about the time VW committed to its all electric future, and a new luxury saloon with petrol power didn’t really fit with that vision. Normally that might be a pity, though it’s hard to imagine many too upset at being denied the opportunity to experience Phaeton Mk2.

The original remains a significant car however, at least from VW’s perspective. To talk of the brand pre- and post-Phaeton is a bit much, not least given the modest sales success and the winding up of production many years ago, but there really was nothing more suave than a Passat in the VW range pre-2002. If not exactly setting the market on fire, the saloon proved VW’s willingness and commitment to more opulent cars. “The Phaeton acted as a shining star that benefited the whole brand and paved the way for other premium products such as the Touareg and Arteon”, says VW. Would those cars have happened without the Phaeton having gone first?

Amazingly, too, the original soldiered on from 2002 to 2016, reflecting its popularity in other markets; apparently a 2010 facelift, keeping the car going to 2014, “was especially popular among customers in China.” That must have been a market in mind with this D2, with its prominent grille and plush rear quarters. Let’s not forget, either, that the Phaeton ushered in some notable technology, even if buyers seemed to prefer having that equipment in a luxury saloon with a more prestigious badge. Stuff like ceramic brakes, Rear Assist and touchscreen infotainment will all have been in the Phaeton first - it even had self-luminous numberplates at one point. This was an almost entirely hand-made luxury saloon decked out in the finest materials, albeit one with a humble badge.

And, of course, there was a V10 diesel Phaeton. For that reason alone, the big Vee-Dub will always hold a small if special place in the hearts of enthusiasts. Again, nothing quite says Piech-era VW like a 5.0-litre, 10-cylinder oil burner with 313hp and 552lb ft - big numbers for a diesel today, leave alone 20 years ago - and it remains one of those curios we’re rather glad existed. Even if it would be very courageous to own one - our Touareg Brave Pill with the same engine was the most read BP of 2020.

Naturally, the current crop of VW designers are very kind about this Phaeton, despite what might be best be called a conservative look - even for 2016. “The car still has a very attractive appearance and beautiful proportions, and it impresses with its tangible high quality and value”, said Jozef Kaban, Head of VW Design. Right. Still doesn’t seem like one we’ll be revisiting in years to come, though it’s interesting to see just how close Volkswagen came to replacing the Phaeton. An important reminder that European commercial success is not the same as global. Those that do fancy a taste of the high life for modest outlay will be pleased to know the first and only Phaeton remains cheap 20 years on; this V6 TDI has been owned by a husband and wife since new, with fewer than 80,000 miles - it’s £5,995.


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emix

Original Poster:

156 posts

148 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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I hope this becomes a trend, manufacturers showing us what might have been.

Wadeski

9,053 posts

244 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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is it mad that I think that interior is way nicer than any Merc or BMW launched since then?

Way less fussy, classic touches of wood and leather but clearly modern and with technology.

bluemason

1,169 posts

154 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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  • Laughs in S class

bluemason

1,169 posts

154 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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emix said:
I hope this becomes a trend, manufacturers showing us what might have been.
Trust me, you do not want to see what bmw has hiding in the vaults.

D4rez

1,668 posts

87 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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bluemason said:
emix said:
I hope this becomes a trend, manufacturers showing us what might have been.
Trust me, you do not want to see what bmw has hiding in the vaults.
Bigger grilles?

Damp Logs

990 posts

165 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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We did body work for Bentley in the early days of VW ownership. They ran phaetons as mules for a lot of the tech that ended up in Continental GT.
Looked ‘stately’ even with laptops on the seats!

MikeM6

6,075 posts

133 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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D4rez said:
bluemason said:
emix said:
I hope this becomes a trend, manufacturers showing us what might have been.
Trust me, you do not want to see what bmw has hiding in the vaults.
Bigger grilles?
No, the cars we actually wanted, like the V10 M5 and M6 CSL models and the M2 CSL.

I really like this D2 Phaeton, but I also really liked the original too.

swisstoni

24,194 posts

310 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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Next week; Stonehenge 2.

TUS373

5,236 posts

312 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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emix said:
I hope this becomes a trend, manufacturers showing us what might have been.
TVR did that quite recently.

Demonix

843 posts

243 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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Well spec'd and understated barge, could just be rebadged as an A8. The used one mentioned in the article is nice enough but that orange coloured plastic wood just looks wrong !

Sway

35,553 posts

225 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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I love little lightweight and spartan cars.

Yet, I bloody love the Phaeton.

Hippea

4,008 posts

100 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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That’s gorgeous

RDMcG

20,908 posts

238 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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I had one on loan for three months with the W12 when they first came out. It was a wonderful luxury car and the quality was absolutely first class. I think they did not sell because it was so anonymous- just a big VW. I did not ever have somehow remark on it or even glance at it. It was a shame as it was an excellent car,

MrGTI6

3,310 posts

161 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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That looks really good! What a shame.

dxg

10,811 posts

291 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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TUS373 said:
emix said:
I hope this becomes a trend, manufacturers showing us what might have been.
TVR did that quite recently.
And charged you to dream...

DanielSan

20,088 posts

198 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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TUS373 said:
TVR did that quite recently.
They still are when they need some more cash and/or attention.

Numeric

1,499 posts

182 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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Demonix said:
Well spec'd and understated barge, could just be rebadged as an A8. The used one mentioned in the article is nice enough but that orange coloured plastic wood just looks wrong !
You never know it could be real - I have it in my head that the Pheaton did use real wood. I was asked to examine two dashboards once - one plastic and one veneer - I looked for ages but could see no difference or feel as of course real is heavily coated in all sorts of stuff anyway. Needless to say plastic soon followed on the line as no one seemed to be able to tell the difference.

Oddly - my ancient E39 clearly did use real as one panel has degraded and now looks rather moth eaten.

Wills2

29,832 posts

206 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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Looks like an A8 with a VW badge and a Touareg dash board

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

161 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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Maybe VW missed a trick with this, they could have launched it as a VW only EV to rival a model S Tesla when they first came out, a rolls Royce might have a near silent engine but nothing beats a ev

alex_2015

323 posts

66 months

Thursday 7th July 2022
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If it's ever produced, it will come with a W3 1.5 turbo, hybrid plug in.
Of course there will be the electric version also, with half car full of batteries.
The ECOs will love it.