RE: Bentley Turbo R | The Brave Pill
RE: Bentley Turbo R | The Brave Pill
Saturday 9th July 2022

Bentley Turbo R | The Brave Pill

A return to some (very) red meat...


When we loaded last week’s Austin Ambassador Brave Pill into the website’s back end, a process as smooth and seamless as stoking a spinning gearbox with washers, we weren’t expecting the reaction it received. Yet, with 236 comments (and counting), this fine example of British Leyland’s worst era seems to have triggered more nostalgia than a Battle of Britain Memorial Flight display over a Rolling Stones Concert.

Much of this was, to no great surprise, questioning the £5,995 being asked for this slice of early eighties kitsch, that figure being close to its original RRP. But a significant amount was singing its praises, several PHers going so far as to reckon it looked well priced given the rising interest in more obscure new-age classics.

With that in mind, here’s something not entirely different. It’s another British-built car from the same era which would have cost nearly eight times as much when it was new, but which is now being offered for a modest £2,500 supplement over the Austin. Being a Bentley Turbo R it also has twice the cylinders, more than double the power, and will travel less than half as far on a gallon of petrol.

Beyond running costs that would put many helicopters to shame, the R’s relatively appealing price is due in large part to the all-powerful forces of supply and demand. While many more Ambassadors were built than Turbo Rs, survival rates have been radically different. So while there seem to be only 16 of the little-loved Austin still on the road, the Bentley has fared far better: How Many Left reckons there are just over 900 extant, split almost evenly between taxed and SORN’d.

This isn’t the first Turbo R to feature in Brave Pill, although the previous example was back in the pre-Covid days of May 2019, when Boris Johnson was a Future England Captain rather than a former one. That one was a facelifted example painted in a sensible shade of blue, and late enough to have the Arnage-esque interior fitted to later cars. This week’s offering is a far earlier example finished in a far jazzier hue - “virtually blemish free Claret” according to the description - and with the original cabin.

Although replete with walnut, leather and carpets deep enough to lose a ferret in, our Pill definitely dates from the time before Crewe discovered the new-fangled art of ergonomics, the R’s dashboard seemingly extended into the centre console through a series of tiered racks to accommodate the various controls and instruments that couldn’t be fitted higher up. While the advert’s claims that the switches and chrome plating are “reminiscent of a five star ocean liner” seems as purple as the upholstery, the car clearly lacking an Engine Order Telegraph, it really does seem a splendid place to spend time.

Prior to the arrival of its W12-powered models, the Turbo R came close to the top of the list of the brand’s greatest hits. Its arrival followed the epiphany in the early ‘eighties that Bentleys might sell better if they were distinguished from their Rolls-Royce sisters by more than just badging, but also with extra performance. The first of this new way of thinking was the Mulsanne Turbo, launched in 1982, which used a boosted version of the 6.75-litre pushrod L-Series V8 to make around 300hp. This was a fair old whack by the standards of the era, and more than enough to prove that the Mulsanne’s chassis would need some bigger revisions to cope with it.

Which is, in essence, what the Turbo R was. Behind the new name the powerplant remained the same, but with significant underbody changes including the arrival of a Panhard rod to better locate the rear axle, stiffened springs and dampers and a new anti-roll bar at the front. It was an immediate hit by the standards of the modest volumes the company managed in that era, more than 7,200 being built between 1985 and 1997.

Our Pill dates from 1986, meaning it should still use a carburetted engine in place of the fuel injection that arrived only slightly afterwards. The single underbonnet shot doesn’t give the non-expert a sufficient perspective to make a call on which fuel system is fitted, but it’s likely some knowledgeable PHer will be able to tell at a glance.

Beyond the slight difference in plumbing there doesn’t seem to be much impact on either performance or fuel economy. These being, respectively, ‘plenty’ and ‘ouch.’ While Bentley didn’t believe in quoting performance numbers at the time, at least one U.S. magazine ran the Turbo R from 0-60mph in just 6.4 seconds - impressively brisk given a three-speed autobox and the car’s porky 2450kg kerbweight. Fuel is consumed at a rate many speedboats would be proud of. Averaging 15mpg from a tank would require a gentle right foot, while enthusiastic progress in this era of £2/ litre unleaded will quickly move the Turbo R towards the pound-per-mile barrier. Which will at least make calculating the cost easier.

On the plus side, the need to keep the vast 108 litre tank from running dry is only ever one of the considerable expenses of running a Turbo R, with the need for substantial amounts of routine and (almost certainly) non-routine maintenance. Our last Turbo R Brave Pill got some shell-shocked owners contributing in the comments, with PHer Balmoral admitting to getting rid of one after it cost more than £9000 in upkeep in just one year: “I didn’t mind £3k here and £4k there, year in year out, but that was the ‘it’s got to go’ moment.”

Our Pill’s online MOT history gives a fascinating insight into the give and take of keeping a car like this on the road, with irregular gaps between tests and periodic virulent outbreaks of red between clean passes. Digging down proves that few of the fails and advisories have been too scary: non-functioning lights, too much carbon monoxide, ineffective brakes and our old friend “oil leak, but not excessive.” There have been a couple of mentions of rust, but none for more than five years, and the mileage has been creeping up as slowly as a sloth on Mogadon, having covered just over 10,000 between November 2007’s test and the most recent in January. Nevertheless, it’s hard to get too picky given the Turbo R’s £8,495 asking price. That’s barely more than half of the next-cheapest example currently in the classifieds, and actually makes it cheaper than the R we ran three years ago. In terms of mechanical peril an elderly Bentley is certainly braver than an Austin Ambassador, but will it find as much love?


See the original advert here

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NigelTVR

Original Poster:

61 posts

80 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brave indeed, but I love it. Wonderful cars

whp1983

1,408 posts

170 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Brave indeed…. Look at the weight and think that is massive then realise it’s nearly 200kg lighter than the Mercedes EV shown the other day!

Demonix

843 posts

243 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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What a glorious thing to waft about in if you can brave the ruinous cost of upkeep and potential electromechanical borkage. Maybe a suitable runabout for Bozza now he's about to lose the armoured Rangey?

Jim the Sunderer

3,261 posts

213 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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That case study cited that mentions a constant outgoing of money puts me right off.

I don't even mind that these days it would cost £5 just to start the engine.

2 GKC

2,319 posts

136 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Is that actually a Turbo R?

Colour does it no favours. Lovely things but worth spending more

Edited by 2 GKC on Saturday 9th July 08:31

Sandpit Steve

15,476 posts

105 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Lovely thing - but one of the bravest pills out there. It’s always going to be a £250k car to run, even if it’s an £8k car to buy.

evojam

795 posts

191 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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whp1983 said:
Brave indeed…. Look at the weight and think that is massive then realise it’s nearly 200kg lighter than the Mercedes EV shown the other day!
Haha,I thought that to,this car is a positive lightweight compared to big EV stuff from Merc and BMW etc

LayZ

1,836 posts

273 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Demonix said:
What a glorious thing to waft about in if you can brave the ruinous cost of upkeep and potential electromechanical borkage. Maybe a suitable runabout for Bozza now he's about to lose the armoured Rangey?
He hasn't got the attention span to keep an old turbo R going. It'd either be broken or have no fuel in it.

nismo48

7,221 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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+1 lovely old thing but likely to be a very brave pill smile

Sandpit Steve said:
Lovely thing - but one of the bravest pills out there. It’s always going to be a £250k car to run, even if it’s an £8k car to buy.

HocusPocus

2,106 posts

132 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Bravo! Excellent example of mega risk and reward.

Chubbyross

5,011 posts

116 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Cheaper than a hire car for a year, assuming nothing borks. If I had a few quids to spare I’d snap that up as a great brave pill wafter. Not too keen on the colour though.

emlynbeagler

11 posts

114 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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2 GKC said:
Is that actually a Turbo R?

Colour does it no favours. Lovely things but worth spending more

Edited by 2 GKC on Saturday 9th July 08:31
It’s not. It’s a Mulsanne Turbo. Turbo R wasn’t launched until 1985.

The spinner of plates

18,084 posts

231 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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I’ll go against the grain… I do appreciate the love.. but not in a million years would I want that on my driveway.

British Beef

2,573 posts

196 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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I actually think this would make a great EV conversion, a couple of electric motors on rear axle and fill the engine bay with batteries.

The whole idea of these cars is silent effortless driving, and that is one of the things electric does well.

Given cost of petrol, not sure these things will ever be used for long distance cruising again.


Bobupndown

3,006 posts

74 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Personally I prefer the Ambassador hehe

Caddyshack

15,276 posts

237 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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These always get comments of ruinous to run so that must be true but I wonder if that is for owners who cannot do diy? Maybe you could replace the expensive parts when they break by replacing with modern car parts and other solutions?

Engine could be replaced with any modern engine

Suspension could be swapped to quality coilovers.

Electronics could be a new loom and new parts.

So, could you replace and resto mod as things break down? The value is not high enough to worry about originality.

samoht

7,315 posts

177 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Caddyshack said:
These always get comments of ruinous to run so that must be true but I wonder if that is for owners who cannot do diy? Maybe you could replace the expensive parts when they break by replacing with modern car parts and other solutions?

Engine could be replaced with any modern engine

Suspension could be swapped to quality coilovers.

Electronics could be a new loom and new parts.

So, could you replace and resto mod as things break down? The value is not high enough to worry about originality.
DIY yes, if you're knowledgeable enough about the car's mechanical "quirks and features" as a certain Youtuber would say, and have beefy enough tools/ramps etc for a 2.5 tonne car with a 6.75L engine.

It would be a huge R&D effort to replace the engine, suspension or electronics with 'modern car parts'. There aren't direct replacements that will just drop in, and more modern engines are pretty demanding in terms of electronics.
It's one thing to buy a replacement part, remove the old one and fit the new one. It's quite another to re-engineer a whole system around parts never designed to work on that car.

If you were going to seriously resto-mod one of these I think you'd need a decently experienced automotive engineer and to plan through the whole thing up front. And then you've spent a lot of money and erased much of the character of the car.

Funk

27,779 posts

240 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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emlynbeagler said:
2 GKC said:
Is that actually a Turbo R?

Colour does it no favours. Lovely things but worth spending more

Edited by 2 GKC on Saturday 9th July 08:31
It’s not. It’s a Mulsanne Turbo. Turbo R wasn’t launched until 1985.
Ad says it's a 1986 car...?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,783 posts

129 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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It is a true brave pill. Given the usual cost of running these things, and that it is now in sub £10k arena, how many of the previous owners will have really spent the money that these things need? Probably cheaper in the long run to buy a later model for twice the price

Jag_NE

3,343 posts

131 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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The spinner of plates said:
I’ll go against the grain… I do appreciate the love.. but not in a million years would I want that on my driveway.
Agreed. Looks crap imo.