How long after 2035 will diesel and petrol be available?
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As the title asks, despite Googleing the crap out of the question I can't find a definitive answer.
I begrudge being forced into buying a soulless, joyless electric car for an extortionate amount and am hoping my next car will be a Focus ST estate, but I won't be buying it until around 2025, so, how much longer will fuel for ICE cars be available?
I begrudge being forced into buying a soulless, joyless electric car for an extortionate amount and am hoping my next car will be a Focus ST estate, but I won't be buying it until around 2025, so, how much longer will fuel for ICE cars be available?
vaud said:
Decades.
And then some.I had the misfortune to have a fully electric car this week to run about in.
Until you experience range anxiety, you would believe it is a thing.
Arriving at the destination to find all the charging points in use with users at their desks and not really thinking about removing their car from the charging points until they require to use the car again really sucked.
Due to this, I then felt like Tom Hanks in Apollo 13 for the return journey.
The purchase price and then tiny size of it made it a depressing commute.
The 80% price increase today on electricity is another factor.
The money required to create a suitable charging infrastructure is colossal, and how does over subscribed inner city housing, multi stories etc deal with charging points?
Personally, I'm nowhere near sold on it.
I have a plug in hybrid on order though; shall see how I get on with that as toe in the water.
Bobberoo said:
As the title asks, despite Googleing the crap out of the question I can't find a definitive answer.
I begrudge being forced into buying a soulless, joyless electric car for an extortionate amount and am hoping my next car will be a Focus ST estate, but I won't be buying it until around 2025, so, how much longer will fuel for ICE cars be available?
Right up until it's uneconomic for petrol stations to operate.I begrudge being forced into buying a soulless, joyless electric car for an extortionate amount and am hoping my next car will be a Focus ST estate, but I won't be buying it until around 2025, so, how much longer will fuel for ICE cars be available?
Less demand because of fewer ICE cars and more pressure to sell the land to developers for housing.
It's all about the money.
I’m working on the principle that you can’t just replace 39 million ICE vehicles (in this country alone) overnight - firstly what is the point if they are perfectly roadworthy & secondly at what cost. The charging infrastructure would never be able to cope even if it was massively increased.
This headlong rush by car manufacturers to EV is deeply worrying as it just hasn’t been thought through properly.
Assuming there is still demand for ICE vehicles in 2035, say there is another 15 years of demand for petrol (possibly less so diesel for cars), that takes us to 2050 by which time I’ll be 90 and either pushing up the daisies or past caring!
This headlong rush by car manufacturers to EV is deeply worrying as it just hasn’t been thought through properly.
Assuming there is still demand for ICE vehicles in 2035, say there is another 15 years of demand for petrol (possibly less so diesel for cars), that takes us to 2050 by which time I’ll be 90 and either pushing up the daisies or past caring!
Bobberoo said:
Thanks for the answers so far.
I guess that's the next question for me, I currently have a diesel Focus estate, I'm in the camp that says diesel will probably stay longer than petrol due to, as vaud said, vans and trucks.
Personally I'd just stop worrying. Loads of stuff needs petrol (generators, all manner of cars, lawnmowers, etc)I guess that's the next question for me, I currently have a diesel Focus estate, I'm in the camp that says diesel will probably stay longer than petrol due to, as vaud said, vans and trucks.
I’m working on the principle that you can’t just replace 39 million ICE vehicles (in this country alone) overnight - firstly what is the point if they are perfectly roadworthy & secondly at what cost. The charging infrastructure would never be able to cope even if it was massively increased.
This headlong rush by car manufacturers to EV is deeply worrying as it just hasn’t been thought through properly.
Assuming there is still demand for ICE vehicles in 2035, say there is another 15 years of demand for petrol (possibly less so diesel for cars), that takes us to 2050 by which time I’ll be 90 and either pushing up the daisies or past caring!
This headlong rush by car manufacturers to EV is deeply worrying as it just hasn’t been thought through properly.
Assuming there is still demand for ICE vehicles in 2035, say there is another 15 years of demand for petrol (possibly less so diesel for cars), that takes us to 2050 by which time I’ll be 90 and either pushing up the daisies or past caring!
Wheelspinning said:
And then some.
I had the misfortune to have a fully electric car this week to run about in.
Until you experience range anxiety, you would believe it is a thing.
Arriving at the destination to find all the charging points in use with users at their desks and not really thinking about removing their car from the charging points until they require to use the car again really sucked.
Due to this, I then felt like Tom Hanks in Apollo 13 for the return journey.
The purchase price and then tiny size of it made it a depressing commute.
The 80% price increase today on electricity is another factor.
The money required to create a suitable charging infrastructure is colossal, and how does over subscribed inner city housing, multi stories etc deal with charging points?
Personally, I'm nowhere near sold on it.
I have a plug in hybrid on order though; shall see how I get on with that as toe in the water.
+1I had the misfortune to have a fully electric car this week to run about in.
Until you experience range anxiety, you would believe it is a thing.
Arriving at the destination to find all the charging points in use with users at their desks and not really thinking about removing their car from the charging points until they require to use the car again really sucked.
Due to this, I then felt like Tom Hanks in Apollo 13 for the return journey.
The purchase price and then tiny size of it made it a depressing commute.
The 80% price increase today on electricity is another factor.
The money required to create a suitable charging infrastructure is colossal, and how does over subscribed inner city housing, multi stories etc deal with charging points?
Personally, I'm nowhere near sold on it.
I have a plug in hybrid on order though; shall see how I get on with that as toe in the water.
I don’t mind driving electric vehicles for work, i know the distance between places and can do a round trip and charge overnight, during the recent heatwave with air con on full and 2 up suddenly realised that my normal journey had used over 50% charge not a problem, petrol station next door and a Tesco round the corner, nope no chargers with the nearest 15mile away in the wrong direction. Nursed it home with air con off in a hot sweaty mess with a couple of miles range left. If id taken a petrol I could have filled up in under 5min where my meeting was.
I just can’t see electric becoming fully adopted until the large majority of businesses install charging for all spaces, inner city you’re not getting charged at home so will need to charge at work, can see a lot of “sorry can’t come in as someone was using the charger over night” calls as we do fully transition.
Wheelspinning said:
Arriving at the destination to find all the charging points in use with users at their desks and not really thinking about removing their car from the charging points until they require to use the car again really sucked.
This, to me, is the root of the EV problem.georgeyboy12345 said:
I don't know - how long after the Clean Air Act 1956 could you still buy coal?
You can still buy traditional coal, and you can certainly buy smokeless fuel.As used by many houses in the countryside, steam locomotives on heritage lines, blacksmiths forges, farriers.
Pica-Pica said:
georgeyboy12345 said:
I don't know - how long after the Clean Air Act 1956 could you still buy coal?
You can still buy traditional coal, and you can certainly buy smokeless fuel.As used by many houses in the countryside, steam locomotives on heritage lines, blacksmiths forges, farriers.
Maybe with more EV's and less demand for petrol the clock will slow down.
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