RE: Fiat Panda 100HP | Spotted
RE: Fiat Panda 100HP | Spotted
Wednesday 31st August 2022

Fiat Panda 100HP | Spotted

They don't make pocket rockets like the Panda anymore - pity


The conventional city car is a dying breed. Without the demand (because buyers want larger, more profitable SUVs), the enthusiasm from manufacturers for making small, simple, cheap cars just isn’t there. Why make cars that customers aren’t as keen on for less profit than those more popular ones with greater margins? It would make no sense. Especially with the rise of electric making small combustion engines hard to justify. When even the Fiat 500 only offers electrified powertrains and even the Toyota Aygo is offered in crossover-style ‘X’ guise, the situation doesn’t look great.

And that’s a shame, because there’s no joy quite like the small, light, uncomplicated fast car. Launched back in 2006, the Panda 100HP was the perfect example of the breed. It took a bigger engine from a larger car (in this case a Punto’s 1.4, as well as its six-speed manual), lowered and stiffened the suspension, added a Sport mode to sharpen the throttle, fitted some stylish new alloy wheels and offered really keen buyers the option of stickers as well. It was a textbook pocket rocket overhaul.

A very good one, too. The Panda 100HP won over fans with its revvy engine, short ratio gearbox and wheel-at-each-corner agility. Oh sure, it was stiff, but better a junior hot hatch that’s a bit too up for fun than not interested enough. And stiff by the standards of the mid-2000s is most likely plush nowadays. Add that enticing list price and perfectly judged styling refresh (remember the Panda this is derived from will be 20 years old next year) and the appeal of the 100HP in a simpler car buying time is plain to see.

Even today, there’s plenty going for the Panda. What was designed to be small and cheap will still be small and cheap; that’ll mean a less refined, busier experience than a more modern hatch, but not much to go wrong as well. Confounding the stereotypes, the 100HP has proven pretty mechanically tough as well - even with fairly regular cambelt changes necessary. And it’ll still do 40mpg.

This Panda looks a great example, with one owner from new, what’s described as ‘superb’ service history, fairly low mileage of less than 70k and the all-important cambelt and water pump just done. As numbers have dwindled and interest increased, so the Panda’s values have climbed - to beyond cars like the Twingo 133 and Swift Sport - but £5k for a proper little Italian classic still seems like pretty good value. Pay this money for an (admittedly faster) Abarth 500 and it could have twice the mileage. And there will already be six on your street.

It’s not going to be a luxurious drive, certainly - anyone looking for a lavishly lined cabin and expensive details best look elsewhere. But for sheer driving fun on a modest budget, there’s still not much to rival the Panda 100HP - just as it was 15 years ago.


SPECIFICATION | FIAT PANDA 100HP

Engine: 1,368cc, four-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 100@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 97@4,250rpm
First registered: 2009
Recorded mileage: 68,347
Price new: £9,995
Yours for: £5,000

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Filibuster

Original Poster:

3,406 posts

245 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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The 100HP is cool, but not nearly as cool as a Panda 4x4 / Panda Cross from the same vintage.
Of course, the former is the betters drivers car!

InitialDave

15,143 posts

149 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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You can probably get a decent one for a bit less than that, but these really are brilliant fun to drive, and very much do that "eager terrier" routine you want from something like this.

Ride isn't as bad as people say, and they're cheap to run and fix.

FatboyKim

2,561 posts

60 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Filibuster said:
The 100HP is cool, but not nearly as cool as a Panda 4x4 / Panda Cross from the same vintage.
Of course, the former is the betters drivers car!
Often mistaken for a Panda 'Abarth'.

The 4x4 though is a very cool car. I do love driving around Italy and Switzerland and seeing the Panda 4x4s everywhere, necessary out there when the snow falls. Even the new ones with bump plates, tow hooks, the lot.

Paraicj

502 posts

171 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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I love mine and have had it for seven years, but fair to say what was stiff by the standards of the mid-2000s is not really plush nowadays - any kind of speed bump needs respect and a pothole sends a real jolt. Apart from that, and needing high revs to maintain anything over 70mph it really is a great little thing, and parts are still widely available for reasonable amounts for now. It buzzes around as eagerly as ever and remains mechanically robust. £5000 does seem strong, but then, car prices are wild.

LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Quite insurance friendly for first time drivers too.

However, Fiats are made of bacofoil and the parts wear out and aren't cheap so £5k is way too much, you can find them for less.

FatboyKim

2,561 posts

60 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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LuS1fer said:
Quite insurance friendly for first time drivers too.

However, Fiats are made of bacofoil and the parts wear out and aren't cheap so £5k is way too much, you can find them for less.
'the parts wear out'. Right, okay.

LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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FatboyKim said:
LuS1fer said:
Quite insurance friendly for first time drivers too.

However, Fiats are made of bacofoil and the parts wear out and aren't cheap so £5k is way too much, you can find them for less.
'the parts wear out'. Right, okay.
Thanks for the input. You know exactly what I mean in your desire to look clever.
Cheap components wear out prematurely, shall we say.
Had it, once, with a Mini 1000 and also one of these Pandas. It's a repetitive cycle.

Filibuster

Original Poster:

3,406 posts

245 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Filibuster said:
The 100HP is cool, but not nearly as cool as a Panda 4x4 / Panda Cross from the same vintage.
Of course, the former is the betters drivers car!
I just had a look and this is where my £5k+£800 would got to:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13832623

Or if I really only wanted/could to spend £5k and not being able to negotiate the other down to £5k, then this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13418059

AmosMoses

4,064 posts

195 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Great little cars, stacked with personality. I cant stand the gearshift, but the rest of the car is really fun.

InitialDave

15,143 posts

149 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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LuS1fer said:
the parts wear out and aren't cheap
No and no.

The only thing that's a real pain are the 100HP specific bumpers/trim, which are hard to get hold of.

Everything else is largely Fiat parts bin and pretty cheap.

S600BSB

8,517 posts

136 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Would rather have a Abarth 500.

LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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InitialDave said:
LuS1fer said:
the parts wear out and aren't cheap
No and no.

The only thing that's a real pain are the 100HP specific bumpers/trim, which are hard to get hold of.

Everything else is largely Fiat parts bin and pretty cheap.
Until you add in the labour every time it needs doing...

ChevronB19

9,198 posts

193 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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I liked mine, but the comment that these days the ride would seem ‘plush’ is nonsense.

It handled well, but the suspension felt like it was made of wooden beams. The slightest dint in the road would have you worrying about your back.

Wheel Turned Out

2,400 posts

68 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Filibuster said:
I just had a look and this is where my £5k+£800 would got to:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13832623
Now that is rather lovely - seems like a good buy to me.

InitialDave

15,143 posts

149 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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LuS1fer said:
Until you add in the labour every time it needs doing...
They're no worse to work on than any other car really, so the labour cost shouldn't be any higher if you're relying on garages to do the work.

Cambelts are noticeably cheap/simple to do compared to a lot of cars.

LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Wheel Turned Out said:
Filibuster said:
I just had a look and this is where my £5k+£800 would got to:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13832623
Now that is rather lovely - seems like a good buy to me.
Not driven the 4x4 but the Panda, IMHO, went rapidly downhill with that generation.
I had 3 or 4 of the old Pandas as hire cars, on holiday and found them engaging and characterful.

I've had an almost new "new-style" one and a new style Cross and found them both totally charmless and far worse to drive. My daughter test drove one as a replacement for her old Panda and it took her five minutes to arrive at the same conclusion.

Filibuster

Original Poster:

3,406 posts

245 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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LuS1fer said:
Wheel Turned Out said:
Filibuster said:
I just had a look and this is where my £5k+£800 would got to:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13832623
Now that is rather lovely - seems like a good buy to me.
Not driven the 4x4 but the Panda, IMHO, went rapidly downhill with that generation.
I had 3 or 4 of the old Pandas as hire cars, on holiday and found them engaging and characterful.

I've had an almost new "new-style" one and a new style Cross and found them both totally charmless and far worse to drive. My daughter test drove one as a replacement for her old Panda and it took her five minutes to arrive at the same conclusion.
What engine did they have? The 0.9l TwinAir's I have driven as a Panda 4x4 as well as in the 500 (had a passenger ride in a Alfa MiTo with this engine as well) had plenty of character! This engine is a hoot to drive and to rev, with a soundtrack that can only be described as an angry 2CV laugh

Also the Panda Cross is interesting to drive with it being quite narrow and high, like a miniature Land Rover wink

LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Filibuster said:
What engine did they have? The 0.9l TwinAir's I have driven as a Panda 4x4 as well as in the 500 (had a passenger ride in a Alfa MiTo with this engine as well) had plenty of character! This engine is a hoot to drive and to rev, with a soundtrack that can only be described as an angry 2CV laugh

Also the Panda Cross is interesting to drive with it being quite narrow and high, like a miniature Land Rover wink
They had the Fire engine.

I had the Twin Air in a couple of Fiat 500s which were slightly more characterful but I had to check the first one wasn't a diesel, it sounded like a bag of spanners but went quite well. The fist one I was generally impressed by but in the second, the thrum eventually got a bit jarring.

Just can't get on with the Cross, terrible driving position, seats, steeering and why is everything square? Who thought that looked good?

Wheel Turned Out

2,400 posts

68 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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LuS1fer said:
Wheel Turned Out said:
Filibuster said:
I just had a look and this is where my £5k+£800 would got to:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13832623
Now that is rather lovely - seems like a good buy to me.
Not driven the 4x4 but the Panda, IMHO, went rapidly downhill with that generation.
I had 3 or 4 of the old Pandas as hire cars, on holiday and found them engaging and characterful.

I've had an almost new "new-style" one and a new style Cross and found them both totally charmless and far worse to drive. My daughter test drove one as a replacement for her old Panda and it took her five minutes to arrive at the same conclusion.
Well that's unfortunate. I definitely prefer the look of the older 4x4, didn't seem like it was trying so hard to be chunky. In what ways were they objectively worse? Slower/stodgier? Or were they just a more unpleasant place to be so the whole experience suffered?

Sean 2000

137 posts

213 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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The NEW price back in 2009 is an eye opener! Thats Ebike money these days.