RE: Hyundai RN22e | PH Review
RE: Hyundai RN22e | PH Review
Thursday 8th September 2022

Hyundai RN22e | PH Review

After driving the Hyundai concept we can't buy, a chance to experience one that will soon be on sale


Always leave them wanting more. That clearly isn’t the corporate slogan of Hyundai’s N Division, because on the same day PH got the chance to drive the hydrogen-fuelled N Vision 74 on track in Germany we also got to take a turn in a fully electric technology demonstrator, one far closer to production reality. This was, officially, the RN22e - but it was effectively showing off the powertrain of the Ioniq 5 N that will be on sale next year.

Beneath the wings and scoops, it wasn’t hard to see the production car that lurks underneath. The RN22e uses the bodyshell of the forthcoming Ioniq 6, which is set to be the Ioniq 5’s saloon-coupe sister. Sitting on Hyundai-Kia’s very advanced E-GMP platform means it has an 800 volt architecture with a 77.4kWh battery pack. This drives two motors, one for each axle, which together make 576hp and 545lb ft of torque. Although we’ll have to wait until the 5 N to experience it in a Hyundai, the same base powertrain is already in the Kia EV6 GT.

As a technology demonstrator and rolling testbed, the RN22e had a couple of key differences. The first was the use of a twin-clutch rear differential pack at the rear to allow the output of the back motor to be shunted 100 percent side-to-side - much more aggressively than the EV6 GT’s torque-biasing differential. The second was the one hinted at by the presence of ‘up’ and ‘down’ paddles behind the steering wheel. And no, these didn’t control variable regeneration levels.

As in the N Vision 74, my experience in the RN22e was limited to one stint on the Bilster Berg track, this being the driving resort built on the site of a one-time British army munitions depot and featuring some serious elevation changes. My drive was following an i30N, although this was being fanged at such a pace it nearly had a sizeable off on the first lap out, and it certainly wasn’t a hindrance on anything except the longest straights. 

Compared to the N Vision 74 the RN22e felt lighter and more lithe in the corners, very keen to change direction for something weighing over two tons. Some of the high levels of adhesion were doubtless coming from track-biased P-Zero Corsa rubber the concept was wearing, but the ease with which cornering attitude could be tweaked and tucked was also proof of the smartness of the all-wheel-drive system. Power is only sent to the front axle when it’s required, so the RN22e is rear-driven most of the time, with those fast-acting clutch packs juggling torque side-to-side to help it turn. Even when pushed to, then through, its high limits the concept felt both stable and controllable. 

There were two new functions to experience. The first was, no great surprise, a sound symposer; this being the way manufacturers are increasingly trying to add some more visceral excitement to the organ-distorting forces that senior EVs generate. Turning this on created an engine-like noise which played both inside and outside the car, and which sounded pretty loud even when experienced through a helmet. It sounded more convincing than the sci-fi soundtrack manufacturers often choose for EVs, and was enhanced further by some generated vibration through the seat bases. To be honest, it still felt like it was adding more distraction than experience, and - by itself - it would probably have been switched off.

Which is where the second system came in, this being known internally as virtual gearshift. It’s as mad as it sounds; once energised the speakers start to simulate the noise of rising revs, and - if the driver doesn’t shift up through the steering wheel paddle in time - it ultimately brings the car to a simulated limiter, acceleration tailing off as if the car has hit a slick of treacle. In the RN22e the only indication of how hard the pretend engine was working came from the changing volume and pitch of the artificial soundtrack, but Hyundai engineers say that a production version would have a rev-counter display and change-up lights. Also, more interestingly, it will be able to model the power characteristic of a combustion engine at different speeds, meaning it will be possible to feel the effect of shifting up early. Who knows, it may even be ludicrous enough to catch on.

Gimmicks aside, the RN22e shows that Hyundai’s N Division is very serious about creating an EV that, like its existing range, will be able to combine everyday practicality with the ability to deliver on-track thrills. One of the core criteria the Ioniq 5 N has apparently been developed to meet is the ability to handle a flat-out lap of the Nurburgring Nordschliefe without de-rating or overheating. On the basis of a limited first experience, this is a powertrain that feels impressively at home on a circuit.


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Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

174 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Ok, so I care about climate change, congestion, pollution and simultaneously love driving and know we all need to switch and we need to ban ICEs but frankly - and I know it is a petrolhead cliche, but I simply have no interest in EVs and when the time comes, will choose one like buying a washing machine. Meanwhile, I’ll carry on with my flat 6 for as long as possible.

MDifficult

2,857 posts

216 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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I'm expecting a whole lot of posts in this thread that'll slaughter the fakery of 'sound symposers', 'vibrating seats' and 'virtual gearshift' and no doubt they're the antithesis of what most of us are looking for in a driving experience.

For me, I'm just delighted that someone is at least trying! While this stuff sounds awful now - how good might it be after ten or twenty years when we don't have too much choice in having an electric car. Just look at how far virtual gaming/racing rigs have come in that time?

Will it ever replace a real, genuine experience? Probably not. Will it potentially get 'close enough' for most people that it doesn't matter? Let's hope so!

Either way - well done Hyundai for at least giving it a go. They (and KIA) are on a roll at the moment.

Car234

6 posts

266 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Encouraging drivers to focus on changing fake gears sounds a whole lot like "Carrying out other tasks while driving" from the due care and attention guidelines, especially in such a powerful car.

Get the guys working on range instead please hyundai, we aren't 12.

GreatScott2016

2,576 posts

119 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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MDifficult said:
I'm expecting a whole lot of posts in this thread that'll slaughter the fakery of 'sound symposers', 'vibrating seats' and 'virtual gearshift' and no doubt they're the antithesis of what most of us are looking for in a driving experience.

For me, I'm just delighted that someone is at least trying! While this stuff sounds awful now - how good might it be after ten or twenty years when we don't have too much choice in having an electric car. Just look at how far virtual gaming/racing rigs have come in that time?

Will it ever replace a real, genuine experience? Probably not. Will it potentially get 'close enough' for most people that it doesn't matter? Let's hope so!

Either way - well done Hyundai for at least giving it a go. They (and KIA) are on a roll at the moment.
Well said. In 10 or 20 years, EV designs may improve too, hopefully!!

stavr0ss

270 posts

159 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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I don’t think the secret to an engaging ev lies in creating a facsimile of the ice/gearbox experience.
I think the vast majority of people want to treat their car like white goods, and the detachment will suit them fine.

The sports segment in my view would come from taking away as many of the assists as possible. I still think I’d like to try an ev with separate throttles for left and right to try manually torque vectoring through corners…

fantheman80

2,675 posts

80 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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That rear shot looks like a VW beetles been bolted on... I just dont like the shape at all. But yes I agree with a previous poster it sounds like some petrol heads are being asked to help make an EV more fun and at least they are having a crack...or are on crack...not sure which

Numeric

1,499 posts

182 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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So, there may be some criticism of 'fake' driver inputs and fake noise etc.

When I bought my current BMW i was annoyed to find it produces fake noise (how do you turn this annoying drone off??) and in the auto gives you paddles that mostly seem to involve you putting the car in the wrong gear as the auto is cleverer than most drivers.

Yet people seem to like these things.

So fake involvement in a car? We've had that for a long time already.

Jon_S_Rally

4,508 posts

119 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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MDifficult said:
I'm expecting a whole lot of posts in this thread that'll slaughter the fakery of 'sound symposers', 'vibrating seats' and 'virtual gearshift' and no doubt they're the antithesis of what most of us are looking for in a driving experience.

For me, I'm just delighted that someone is at least trying! While this stuff sounds awful now - how good might it be after ten or twenty years when we don't have too much choice in having an electric car. Just look at how far virtual gaming/racing rigs have come in that time?

Will it ever replace a real, genuine experience? Probably not. Will it potentially get 'close enough' for most people that it doesn't matter? Let's hope so!

Either way - well done Hyundai for at least giving it a go. They (and KIA) are on a roll at the moment.
Agreed. I did cringe a bit as I read about some of that stuff but, as you say, it's great that they're trying. For the minority of us out there that enjoy a few foibles and getting to interact with the car, finding ways to make EVs more engaging is a really important part of the puzzle; be it through sound or through other sensations.

It's nice to see Hyundai experimenting with things like this. One of the most interesting manufacturers out there right now along with Toyota. They really seem to want to create cars that are enjoyable and aimed squarely at enthusiasts.

Dombilano

1,467 posts

86 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Looks are growing on me, the 2 tonne weight if these is not. And engineering in the effect of changing up early? So what, it'll artificially bog down?

Why not add a manual choke too, simulate the effect of flooding the engine.

Bill

58,831 posts

286 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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stavr0ss said:
I don’t think the secret to an engaging ev lies in creating a facsimile of the ice/gearbox experience.
I think the vast majority of people want to treat their car like white goods, and the detachment will suit them fine.

The sports segment in my view would come from taking away as many of the assists as possible. I still think I’d like to try an ev with separate throttles for left and right to try manually torque vectoring through corners…
yes Although the gaming generation might take to it. All it needs now is buttons on the wheel marked "pew pew". biggrin

Iamnotkloot

1,917 posts

178 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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I don’t mind Hyundai trying, but surely fake gearshift’s aren’t the way forward. If I’m honest though, I don’t know how you do make them more engaging……..

Pughmacher

441 posts

74 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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I’m a fan of Hyundai trying to make strides towards an EV that is more engaging, more fun and enthusiast orientated. Might be that EVs have the ability to be as daft or not as you desire depending on how much tomfoolery is engineered in (without breaking the bank). I think we should encourage that. Especially if it comes in the hot hatch mould. As an aside I wonder if they’ve thought of “changing up early” as a way of encouraging people not to plant their EV squarely into the car in front having not the required control of the “throttle”.

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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I like the front end of this but not the back, looks a little mercedes to me....

Black S2K

1,940 posts

280 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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stavr0ss said:
I don’t think the secret to an engaging ev lies in creating a facsimile of the ice/gearbox experience.
I think the vast majority of people want to treat their car like white goods, and the detachment will suit them fine.

The sports segment in my view would come from taking away as many of the assists as possible. I still think I’d like to try an ev with separate throttles for left and right to try manually torque vectoring through corners…
What a wonderfully wacky idea!

Of course, tractor manufacturers have had something similar (vectoring by braking) for many decades...

Twoshoe

1,007 posts

215 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Dombilano said:
Why not add a manual choke too, simulate the effect of flooding the engine.
Yes! And how about a manual ignition advance/retard control in which simulated backfires and engine knocking can be generated.

Bispal

2,001 posts

182 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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It really doesn't matter what powers it, its one of the ugliest bent bananas of a car I have ever seen, could be a pedal car or have a RR Merlin engine in but it would still be hideous.

PSB1967

503 posts

187 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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yes Although the gaming generation might take to it. All it needs now is buttons on the wheel marked "pew pew". biggrin
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In years to come when all cars are over assisted EV's, we could 'pew-pew' middle lane hoggers, if they get enough 'hits' the car would safely pull over all by itself. biggrin

Midgster

634 posts

265 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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PSB1967 said:
yes Although the gaming generation might take to it. All it needs now is buttons on the wheel marked "pew pew". biggrin
In years to come when all cars are over assisted EV's, we could 'pew-pew' middle lane hoggers, if they get enough 'hits' the car would safely pull over all by itself. biggrin
That is an incredible idea. If I was Liz Truss, forget the energy crisis, that's the first law I would bring in. All cars to be fitted with a laser quest system and a "pew, pew" button on the wheel.

_ppan

649 posts

100 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Car234 said:
Encouraging drivers to focus on changing fake gears sounds a whole lot like "Carrying out other tasks while driving" from the due care and attention guidelines, especially in such a powerful car.

Get the guys working on range instead please hyundai, we aren't 12.
Yes, we're note 12. We might as well just take away all manual options for current regular cars too. Such a distraction and we're not 12 anymore. Also, let's just cancel every engine option with more than 100bhp/tonne. We're all adults after all, playing is a thing of the past when we were < 12yo.

MDifficult

2,857 posts

216 months

Thursday 8th September 2022
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Car234 said:
Encouraging drivers to focus on changing fake gears sounds a whole lot like "Carrying out other tasks while driving" from the due care and attention guidelines, especially in such a powerful car.

Get the guys working on range instead please hyundai, we aren't 12.
laugh

Literally every other EV in the market is doing exactly that. Why can't we have just ONE for those of us who are still 12 at heart?

Honestly - you miserable sod laugh