RE: Tesla Roadster | Spotted
RE: Tesla Roadster | Spotted
Friday 9th September 2022

Tesla Roadster | Spotted

Can an EV ever become a classic car? Values in Tesla Roadsters suggest they can...


It was easy to dismiss the Tesla Roadster when it silently snuck up on us in 2008. There has always been a steady stream of home-built sports and supercars, particularly in the noughties. Some of these went on to great success, like the Noble M12, while many others boasted of space-age materials and high-power engines only to go out of business before producing a prototype.

At a glance, the Tesla Roadster fell into the second category. Here we had a Lotus Elise-based sports car powered exclusively by electricity. Not only did the idea of a silent performance car make zero sense at the time, but electric cars had a reputation of being completely rubbish. Slow, heavy, cheap-looking and tragically bad at holding a charge, EVs were miles behind their piston-powered counterparts. A game changer was needed for the battery-powered concept to make its way into the mainstream – and, partly for what followed it, the Tesla Roadster can lay claim to being that car. 

It addressed two major criticisms levied against electric cars at the time. Featuring a rear-mounted, three-phase induction electric motor developing 252hp and 200lf ft of torque in standard form, the Roadster’s numbers were in line with what we’d come to expect from a small, mid-engine sports car like the Elise it’s based on. But the crucial difference, of course, was the now familiar near-instant torque, leading to frankly ridiculous acceleration figures. Tesla claimed the Roadster could dispatch a 0-60mph run in 3.7 seconds – only a couple of tenths shy of a Porsche Carrera GT.

So that was the performance taken care of, but what of the range? Well, let’s take a Reva G-Wiz an example of a mid-noughties electric car for context. It could muster a claimed 50 miles on a full charge, which is fine for a dash around London but useless after a solid hour-and-a-bit’s worth of driving. The Roadster, meanwhile, packed a 53kWh battery capable of powering the two-seater for up to 244 miles (according to America’s EPA rating). Yes, they’re two very different cars, but the electric car market was almost non-existent at the time and the comparison says much about how far Tesla had moved the game along with its first go.

Remarkably, it sold in decent numbers, too. It’s estimated some 2,450 Roadsters were produced, most of which found their way onto the driveways of tech entrepreneurs in California though a small number were sold in the UK – and in right-hand drive. Needless to say, Tesla’s follow-up to the Roadster, the Model S, proved EVs could co-exist with cars powered by dinosaur juice (if you went to the trouble of installing your own infrastructure). And just like the original iPhone (go look them up on eBay), Roadsters have become somewhat of a collector’s item and values are soaring. So try not to wince when you see the price tag of this 2012 example. It’s £225,000.

For an Elise-based EV? Really? Well, clearly the vendor is convinced that the model's place in history is already assured, and with it being one of the last examples produced, it ought to be a desirable car for the Tesla diehard. It’s clearly been taken care of by its previous and only owner, too, with the (surprisingly posh) leather seats in mint condition and the odometer reading just 4,750 miles. Moreover, a quick search reveals there are some owners in the US trying to get over a million dollars for theirs. Which sounds preposterous (it is preposterous), but it gets you thinking, right?  


SPECIFICATION | TESLA ROADSTER

Engine: Single electric motor
Transmission: Single-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 252@0rpm
Torque (lb ft): 200@0rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: 0g/km (local emissions)
Year registered: 2012
Recorded mileage: 4,750
Price new: £88,000
Yours for: £225,000

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aestivator

Original Poster:

265 posts

61 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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That is indeed very silly. I looked at these a year or so ago and whilst there were obviously very few about, prices were sub-£100k for almost every one I saw.

Not sure they've gained that much value that quickly...

There are also quite a few different versions to this car, including early ones that were torque-limited to protect the transmission I believe. I'd be interested to know how the batteries are holding up too.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,778 posts

129 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Dealer is trying it on. I know it is RHD but LHD cars have been going thru auctions at $100K to $120K. One sold a couple of weeks ago with similar miles for $112K....

pixelmix

288 posts

139 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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I'm moderately interested in these as a future classic. Lotus underpinnings but green credentials (leaving aside the carbon footprint in build and batteries).

I reckon the asking price is hugely wide of the mark though. Asking price does not equal the value!

This one has been on the market for at least a month I think. There was a Swiss one sold on Collecting Cars last year for €50,000. Sure it was much higher mileage, but I'm not sure that makes this one around five times the price!

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

188 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Loved the colour loved the interior the range is solid and then we get to the price.... PMSL.

A classic has to make you feel something let's face it this is like an IPhone 1 or PSone Sega Dreamcast Nokia 5110. All great all loved at the time but let's be honest your not going to use another them when you have a PS5 and a IPhone Max Pro 14 (something like that). It's not a cool series 1 Elise and it's outperformed by a model 3. So £225k er I will take a model 3 and a 911 and a holiday thanks oh an a PS5 too

Flanners

267 posts

161 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Great concept, good performance but £250K makes it.....bunkum.

Mr E

23,089 posts

290 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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You can have my Elise for less than 20k.

Not as rapid in a straight line, much lighter for the corners.

The price differential will buy a *lot* of petrol.

WCZ

11,559 posts

225 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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worth millions in the future most likely

Krikkit

27,938 posts

212 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Mr E said:
You can have my Elise for less than 20k.

Not as rapid in a straight line, much lighter for the corners.

The price differential will buy a *lot* of petrol.
By good logic I reckon the Elise is worth £100k if the silly Tesla is 250 wink


blue al

1,444 posts

190 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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By a real Elise and a new Tesla as a tow car keep the change and twice the fun

bosshog

1,800 posts

307 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Probably the only EV I'd ever actually be interested in owning. Probably the lightest EV that will ever be as well (1300kg).

Not at that price though hehe

greggy50

6,281 posts

222 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Its amazing how impressive the figures are on this in terms of range (given the battery size) and the performance for a car that originally came out almost 15 years ago.

At 1300kg it still has to be on the lightest electric cars produced albeit a lot heavier than the car it was based on...

Water Fairy

6,645 posts

186 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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I know this dealer. Bought a vehicle from them a while ago for my son. From some of the conversations I had with them at the time I would suggest they are definitely trying it on. They took a punt on 3 Roll Royces going 'cheap' once and made 50k on each one. I would suggest a very large margin is sitting in this one.

Mr E

23,089 posts

290 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Krikkit said:
By good logic I reckon the Elise is worth £100k if the silly Tesla is 250 wink
Sold!

HardMiles

401 posts

117 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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Let's be honest, its gash! There are literally 225 thousand other things more exciting too...

Robertb

3,913 posts

269 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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I recall watching a video on Youtube of a chap in the US who fixes Teslas. He had quite a few of these in where the batteries had failed as wealthy owners had left them sitting about and forgotten about them.

Parts availability and pricing was a nightmare as well, for these and indeed other Teslas. Another of his specialities is refurbing the electric door handles.

I can think of many, many cars I would rather spend £225k on, but to each their own.

If you like that sort of thing I dare say you could electrify an Elise for about half that. Or just run a normal Elise, which can be a very economical car, and plant some trees.

Edited by Robertb on Friday 9th September 14:30

C.A.R.

3,993 posts

219 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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When (If?) we get the 'new' Tesla Roadster perhaps the value will take a bit of a hit? Definitely not worth that kind of money - they'd have a hard time convincing people that it will be a future classic, but then again they are rare, so perhaps it has got collector status?

Much easier to 'lay up' an EV than a classic, which will have gaskets and perishables needing frequent lubrication and occasional running to keep it operational. With this the only real perishables are the tyres, keep the battery balanced at around 80% and it'll be just fine...

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

225 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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According to howmanyleft, there are only 38 in the UK. Pretty rare, and I guess it was a car that had a part in moving the game on towards electrification, so somewhat historical.

essayer

10,410 posts

225 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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WCZ said:
worth millions in the future most likely
I agree, the cult of Musk will pay top money

pycraft

1,500 posts

215 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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essayer said:
I agree, the cult of Musk will pay top money
Whereas he liked his so much he, er, launched it beyond the orbit of Mars.

It's currently on the opposite side of the sun, 192 million miles away: https://www.whereisroadster.com/



bloomen

10,207 posts

190 months

Friday 9th September 2022
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If a mk1 iphone or ipod can fetch x thousands then daffy future valuations for these are in the bag. I don't think the day is here yet though.