RE: Steal or no steal | V8 engines for the soul
RE: Steal or no steal | V8 engines for the soul
Saturday 24th September 2022

Steal or no steal | V8 engines for the soul

When AMG has banished the V8 from the C63, you know the writing is on the wall. Here's what you could buy instead


Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Estate, 2013, 30k, £34,495

Even with prior knowledge of this week’s C63 announcement, it still seemed a shock. The V8 was as central to the C63’s appeal for a decade and a half as bacon is to a BLT; even with AMG’s genius involved - and some serious numbers in evidence - it’s hard not to be concerned about the emotional charm of a 2.0-litre C63. But then 2,000cc (or more) has been taken from the AMG C-Class with each passing generation: we’ve gone from 6.2-litres to 4.0-litres to just 2.0. By that logic, the next C63 will have no litres at all…

But let’s not worry about an electric C63 just yet. The popularity of V8 C-Classes over the years has meant plenty remain for sale. It isn’t hard to see why they’ve found so many happy homes, even if keeping a 6.2-litre Mercedes in fuel, tyres and road tax will cost more now than at any point since its 2007 launch. Seldom has Mercedes luxury and style melded quite so successfully with AMG brute force.

There are cheaper 204-era C63s out there than this one (it’s more than early turbo cars), and they’re probably better value if you're looking for an Affalterbach V8 fix before it’s too late. But a facelifted car, in silver with the small wheels and some jazzy leather, was impossible to resist. The first C63 was always an enthusiast favourite - with good reason, of course - this week may well see its stock rise even further.

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Audi R8 V8, 2007, 59k, £38,990

If the C63’s star is on the rise, the Audi R8 still looks keen value for a V8 icon of such calibre. Perhaps the looming demise of the combustion-engined R8 will jolt the market into life. For now though, being able to spend Golf GTI money on one of the great mid-engined cars of the modern ago continues to look like a steal.

The V8 v V10 R8 argument will wage forever, but the demise of the former with the second generation has certainly given the old 4.2 a certain cult appeal - the purist’s choice, if you will. Certainly, it’s going to be fast enough for most, with 420hp from the V8 making more than 180mph possible. Add an open gated manual on top of an 8,000rpm engine and delectable, spaceframe chassis and you get a bonafide supercar. It’s just that Audi made it.

Much like the C63 that launched around the same time - what heady days they were - the unprecedented awesomeness of what was created meant plenty sold. One day Mercedes didn’t make a M3-beating C-Class and Audi didn’t have a 911 rival; then they both did, and buyers couldn’t get enough. This one comes with a full service history and some desirable options, with enough left from £40k to (hopefully) insure and tax it for a year. Money very well spent, we’d say.

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Vauxhall VXR8 GTS, 2015, 13k, £45,990

So seamlessly did both C63 and R8 slip into their respective ranges that we all just naively assumed they’d be around forever. Why wouldn’t they be? The Vauxhall-badged Holdens, however, were such outrageous outliers in the Vauxhall lineup that they always seemed on borrowed time. They were too good to be true; the fact we had more than a decade with Monaros and VXR8s, never with less than 5.7-litres and 350hp, seems remarkable to this day.

By the end, things were getting very, very serious too. The Chevy LS V8 was up to 6.2-litres and supercharged, meaning almost 600hp. And it was no mere muscle car, with magnetic dampers, torque vectoring and AP Racing brakes. All for £55k, too, tens of thousands less than the German supersaloons it outgunned. The Aussie-built Vauxhalls left how they arrived - making the alternatives looks undernourished, overpriced and rather too serious. No wonder they have such a fond following.

This 2015 car has covered less than 2,000 miles a year, yet one of the two owners decided that the standard 585hp was insufficient and had Walkinshaw pump it up to 615hp. Or 195hp more than the Audi. The big Vaux was undoubtedly a charming and capable old beast when new; don’t be surprised if the V8’s threatened status makes it even more endearing now.

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Discussion

wistec1

Original Poster:

806 posts

71 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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Mercedes could yet rue the day they missed the opportunity for the last V8 ICE AMG. The Current offering as fast as it is just doesn't peck my head to buy one. BMW M on the other hand are still producing true ICE performance cars as are a few more manufacturers who are holding out and bucking the trend. A few V8s missed out in this feature such as Aston Martin As for this line up. My head says Audi but my heart says the Vauxhall.

Turini

477 posts

196 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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Cars if the modern ago - sure that should be age…

Plenty more V8 joy out there than these 3 but the R8 does look tempting at that price point

JAMSXR

1,849 posts

77 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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I viewed that C63 9 months ago..

Bloxxcreative

568 posts

75 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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Bit of a strange and rather limited selection of cars.

No v8v? Maser gts? Mustang?

I'd take the r8, but then at that price point if I was after a v8 I'd actually probably take the v8v (or save for the v10).

Edited by Bloxxcreative on Saturday 24th September 09:27

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

216 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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JAMSXR said:
I viewed that C63 9 months ago..
ears
Do tell!

cerb4.5lee

45,080 posts

210 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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I love the C63 for its 6.2 V8, but I've also always been attracted to the R8 with its gated manual. I'd be very happy in all these 3 for sure. I still fancy a V8 Mustang too.

Water Fairy

6,644 posts

185 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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v8v? Do we mean V8 Vantage? Facelift 4.7 maybe but defo not the earlier 4.3s. They missed the mark.

Wab1974uk

1,419 posts

57 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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The original R8 still looks great today. Much better than the current R8 that's for sure.

Prices are still strong for the V8.

I bought an R8 V8 Manual back in 2012, for £45,000. Ran it for over 3 years and sold it for £44,000. Same car today wouldn't be much less.

Times move on, but I do wish I'd had the garage space and the funds to have kept it as a long termer.

SweptVolume

1,222 posts

123 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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Big petrol barges used to be cheap and their sports car equivalents expensive. This list turns that on its head. £45k for a redneck Aussie saloon? I do like the VXR8, but conventional logic would more than halve that price at that age, particularly with petrol so ruinous right now.

Pusikurac

121 posts

70 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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I think R8 is at the bottom pricewise now. Or hope so, as I just bought one. For 50k.
Sadly, Rtronic, which is not bad really, manuals are very rare ant they were actually what, 10k cheaper new?
Oh, and there is no competition here, R8 is such a special car...and it looks so much better in the flesh! Supercar, if you ask me. smile

Speedgirl

291 posts

197 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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SweptVolume said:
Big petrol barges used to be cheap and their sports car equivalents expensive. This list turns that on its head. £45k for a redneck Aussie saloon? I do like the VXR8, but conventional logic would more than halve that price at that age, particularly with petrol so ruinous right now.
Sportscars have been going out of fashion for a while, so are good value second hand buys. I think the original R8 is lovely, especially in that colour. These are settling into really super classic cars and will I’m sure be a sound place to put your money.

fruitoftheloon

93 posts

64 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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I had a rather pleasant (purple with cream leather) RS5 with that engine, the noise was simply outrageous. The chap who owns the garage thatook after the daily and my van described it simply as 'car porn', 'nuff said!

Were suitable funds to fall out of the sky, methinks a V8 R8 would be an excellent addition to the fleet, but defo not in silver.

Demonix

837 posts

242 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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R8 is definitely the prettiest of the bunch even in re-sale silver, darker colours definitely suit it better, nice manual car but a 15 year old Audi is a bunch of electrical gremlins waiting to empty your wallet. Like the hooligan vxr8 but price is a bit strong, Amg c63 - understated beast is strangely the sensible option.

steve_n

444 posts

232 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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You can have mine for £10k less...

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13697380

spikyone

1,916 posts

130 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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steve_n said:
You can have mine for £10k less...

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13697380
That looks very nice, great advert too. thumbup

samoht

7,303 posts

176 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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The great thing about the V8 engine layout is it works so well in so many sorts of car - small and light enough to power a proper sports car or supercar, torquey and smooth for a more luxury car, compact enough to replace a workaday four-pot diesel and turn an ordinary car into a muscle car.

I have to say the Vauxhall Holden looks pricey, much as I respect them I would leave them to the Aussie faithful at that sort of price point, the AMGs look a lot better value to me.

Also worth considering; E39 M5, E90 M3, Jag XKR (the second gen aluminium one, X150), and F-Type.

If you're not doing an awful lot of miles annually, I think some sort of V8 is a really lovely affordable indulgence - and unlike a boring car, it may also avoid depreciating to worthlessness into the bargain.

cerb4.5lee

45,080 posts

210 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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samoht said:
If you're not doing an awful lot of miles annually, I think some sort of V8 is a really lovely affordable indulgence - and unlike a boring car, it may also avoid depreciating to worthlessness into the bargain.
With hindsight now I wish that I'd gone back to a V8 for my occasional car. The 370Z I have now has been cheap as chips to run in terms of fuel because it hardly gets used. It only does around 22mpg according to the fuel computer, and I reckon there would be a chance that I could get a V8 that would do similar mpg to that.

martin12345

1,014 posts

119 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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Jaguar V8 Supercharged
Any car, any generation of engine - all wonderful combinations
I take my version of the poison with a 2002 XJR which I love to bits

ZX10R NIN

30,640 posts

155 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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They left a fair few off the list.

V8 in the Lexus IS-F
V8 in the Maserati Granturismo
JLR supercharged V8
RS5 V8 it's different to the one in the R8
7.0 V8 found in the C6 Z06

Court_S

14,797 posts

207 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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That’s a very limited list, but I do like, the C63 in estate form. The pre facelift interiors are a bit skanky though.

I’m a massive fan of the first gen R8 too. It’s very pretty to my eyes and has aged well; it makes the subsequent versions look a bit fussy and over designed. Trouble is though, the V10 exists. I know the V8 is supposed to be the purists choice, but I’d always wander if I should have saved for the V10.

The Vauxhall does very little for me especially at £45k.