RE: Roadside cameras target noisy exhausts
RE: Roadside cameras target noisy exhausts
Wednesday 19th October 2022

Roadside cameras target noisy exhausts

Clamp down to get you to pipe down: the DfT launches scheme to target 'rowdy' motorists


There was a time, back when I rode motorbikes, that the first thing I’d do, having bought a new one, would be to grab a couple of cans. The louder the better, too. The ones I fitted to my Honda VTR1000 SP1, with its thundering v-twin, were particularly fruity. God, I loved that bike. But one of the privileges of getting old is having a good old moan, so now I tend to frown upon anyone doing that sort of thing. Hypocrisy? Absolutely.

But it’s not just me raising an eyebrow at scallywags. There are eyes everywhere. Well, in Bradford at least, and within the next two months in Bristol, Birmingham and Great Yarmouth as well. This is the Department of Transport’s (DfT) new trial to banish 'boy racers' from Britain’s noisiest streets.

Transport secretary, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, said at the launch of the trial, ‘Rowdy road drivers beware – these new cameras will help the police clamp down on those who break the legal noise limits or use illegal modified exhausts to make excessive noise in our communities.

‘We will be working closely with the local authorities and police to share any findings, and I hope this technology paves the way for quieter, peaceful streets across the country.’

They’re being termed 'noise cameras', which sounds a little moronic. So let’s call them cameras with microphones; or better still, cameras. They will monitor traffic noise next to designated spots and record anyone going by who's making an unacceptable din.

The Noise Abatement Society are onside, as you might expect. Its chief executive, Gloria Elliott said, ‘Excessively noisy vehicles cause unnecessary disturbance, stress and anxiety to many and, in some cases, physical pain. They disrupt the environment and people’s peaceful enjoyment of their homes and public places.’

There’s even a cost to this disturbance. Up to £10 billion. Yes, you did read that right: the estimated cost of excessive urban road noise in England alone is £10 billion. It was calculated a decade ago after looking at exposure to noise pollution and including the cost of lost productivity from sleep disturbance and health costs from heart attacks, strokes and dementia. Blimey, I knew my SP1 was loud, but didn’t think it was that loud.

If it saves that much cash, it’ll help the government recoup its pledged £300,000 investment into solving the issue. At least some of that cash is going to Atkins-Jacobs Joint Venture, which is leading the trial. And, of course, there will be fines, but the problem is where's the threshold? There’s no mention of a decibel limit on the DfT website. All we can see is this statement: ‘Existing legislation requires exhausts and silencers to be maintained in good working order and not altered so as to increase noise. Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 (Section 42) the potential penalty for non-compliance with these requirements is a £50 on-the-spot fine’

So, scallywags, you've been warned.


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Jon_Bmw

Original Poster:

703 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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I'm waiting for the first homologated, untouched production vehicle to fail and the owner & manufacturer start throwing the toys out.

They are tested at a very specific set of boundary conditions and anything spicy is normally engineered to pass those conditions. These "cameras" won't test to those conditions (clue: they cannot!), so either the threshold is going to be exceptionally high or some people with standard cars are going to get pinged if they do certain (legal) things past a "camera."

Edited to add:
I agree in principle with what it is trying to do, but working in this industry and having a reasonable understanding of the drive-by noise homologation test, I do not see how you could catch real offenders without bagging a few that are in unmodified cars.

Its akin, to getting me to judge whether cars are speeding on the side of the road with nothing but my eyes. I would get some right, but some most certainly wrong. It can't be scientific, because the camera has no idea of engine revs for a start. The strip of tarmac isn't calibrated (yes its a thing frown )

Or they really need to reconsider how you noise test and homologate cars, and can you imagine how long that legislation would take to go through.

Edited by Jon_Bmw on Wednesday 19th October 17:10

Leon R

3,919 posts

126 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Glad the government have enough money for this.

350Matt

3,912 posts

309 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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the drive by noise test is very hard to pass for OEM's they even tend to go to special test tracks with low drag / quiet road surfaces to get that last few dB

So it will depend very much on the limits the Dft impose
personally I 'd say its rather unworkable

can the cameras target a specific vehicle within the melee of traffic ? are the cameras smart enough to apply the appropiate noise reg for the year and make and model ?
what happens if a noisy motorbike is coming the other way as you innocently pass the camera

what a waste of time and money

Debaser

8,570 posts

291 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Nope. Anyone ripping these down will get my support.

SturdyHSV

10,443 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Install one outside Harrods and kill the supercar industry overnight hehe

Eeyoreish

16 posts

129 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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In these times of increasing cost of living and troubled public finances it's reassuring to see that the Government can find money to fund this kind of nonsense...

Hoofy

80,140 posts

312 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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I'm going to be different after hearing some moron tear by my house in their 1.1 Corsa with a pops and bangs mod and say: good.

PHZero

1,413 posts

123 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Eeyoreish said:
In these times of increasing cost of living and troubled public finances it's reassuring to see that the Government can find money to fund this kind of nonsense...
But it could save us up to £10 billion! laugh

Firebobby

1,007 posts

69 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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I'd sooner have £20 toward my gas bill than paying for something that is virtual impossibility to monitor correctly. What a load of old bollix

Wab1974uk

1,418 posts

57 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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The war on cars continue.

How soon before they start lowing the noise limit for MOT's to force people out of their cars and into expensive EV's?

LordHaveMurci

12,338 posts

199 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Good, sooner we get them here the better.

Hopefully put a stop to the absolute throbbers on their L plates bikes along with the Audi/BMW pops & farts brigade who think everybody within a 1ml radius needs to hear their st boxes.

Yes, I’m a grumpy old man blah blah blah.

Jap90s

2,035 posts

151 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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I like a sensibly loud car / bike but I can understand that they annoy people

Hopefully they are limited to urban areas


Giulia Jon

407 posts

49 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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SturdyHSV said:
Install one outside Harrods and kill the supercar industry overnight hehe
I don't know where they are exactly but some of the first ones are in that area .

sixor8

8,623 posts

298 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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4-page thread already running, started over 24 hrs ago. Keep up at the back! smile

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Robertb

3,903 posts

268 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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But there is no allowance for sound quality. I live near a village A road so I am something of an exhaust note connoisseur. My least favourite are generally motorcycles, particularly the scrambler type ones which are obnoxiously loud. Astons and Lamborghinis sound superb. Ferraris actually sound pretty ropey, from F355 onwards... a tuneless blare. As a guideline, sports exhausts on older auto-box equipped cars sound crap due to the slur between shifts, as does the upshift on a DSG equipped car, particularly the farty-pop that VAG ones seem to do.

The fact is, a loud exhaust is a selfish imposition on others, and frankly pointless as you rarely get the same sound quality inside the car. Its like me playing my electric guitar in my sitting room with the amp outside the house. Worse, they hide the glorious sound of the engine itself, the valve gear and the induction.


ecsrobin

18,679 posts

195 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Jap90s said:
I like a sensibly loud car / bike but I can understand that they annoy people

Hopefully they are limited to urban areas
Loud cars having nothing on a loud bike. Don’t think I’ve yet to hear one that I think sounds good. I used to live near the A32 where this was originally trialled and on a summers day you could hear the bikes from miles away.

wickhamaj

80 posts

132 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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My AMV GT8 is very very loud...so I don't crank it up in cities and limit enthusiastic use to country roads. Which I think is a reasonable expectation for how we should behave if we have them...

ducnick

2,284 posts

273 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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What about older cars as they are typically much louder than modern stuff with cats?
Older big v8’s with long tube headers can be quite loud even going at legal street speed

Dombilano

1,463 posts

85 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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I'm surprised 20sPlenty aren't on board too, suggesting 20mph limits on the motorway to reduce noise pollution.

What a load of nannying turd

camel_landy

5,513 posts

213 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Debaser said:
Nope. Anyone ripping these down will get my support.
That's criminal damage...

...using a drone to pop a bag over however. scratchchin

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