RE: Caterham grows Euro Seven range with 2.0-litre 340
RE: Caterham grows Euro Seven range with 2.0-litre 340
Monday 7th November 2022

Caterham grows Euro Seven range with 2.0-litre 340

Trusty Duratec reworked to fill the void left by no more Sigma engines


A Caterham Seven could be powered by a lawnmower engine and still be a riot to drive, which you’d have to hope bodes well for the EV future. But there will always be some debate about just which engine best suits the package, especially with the 1.6-litre Ford Sigma - seen by many as the best compromise in power and weight - no longer available.

The solution, for Europe and Japan at least, is the introduction of a new 340 model. It uses the 2.0-litre Duratec, albeit in a milder state of tune than previously seen in any Caterham installation. Where we’re used to the engine screaming out more than 200hp in a 420 (or more than 300 when supercharged in a 620), for this new model it produces a more modest 170hp. Still more than enough for fun in something as light as a Seven, that output slotting it between the old 1.6-litre 310 model (or the 275 offered abroad) and the existing 360.

As with the rest of the range, this 340 will be offered in either the road-biased ‘S’ or track focused ‘R’ specs. The former is a little more accommodating - everything being relative in the Caterham world - with a windscreen (!), black leather seats, 14-inch wheels and the road suspension pack. The R ups the ante for the avid circuit goer (and there are plenty of superb tracks in almost every corner of Europe and Japan), with a limited-slip diff, harnesses, and firmer suspension, plus some carbon goodies.

The Seven 340 is described by its maker as ‘the ultimate do everything Caterham’, with CEO Bob Laishley adding: “We are delighted to expand our EU range with the new Seven 340 following sustained demand to fill the gap in our range left by the discontinuation of Seven 275… It’s a car that lends itself perfectly to those long road trips and Sunday drives, while the R version is more than capable of setting blistering lap times across Europe’s premium race circuits.” The 340 is available to order now, priced at €45,700 for the S and €47,200 for the R, or £39,800 and £41,100 respectively at current exchange rates. Customers in Japan are advised to speak to their retailer. And customers in the UK who feel like they’re missing are advised by us to check out the PH classifieds, as there are almost 40 Caterhams for sale with the Duratec engine. And once you’ve experienced the torque of a bigger engined Caterham with the thrill of nearly 8,000rpm, it might be hard to accept anything else…


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Scoobysaurus

Original Poster:

363 posts

127 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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Interesting but not exactly a surprise as Caterham struggled to find another smaller engine and it’s a chasm down to the little 660 engine. The Duratec is heavier and will offer a real lump of torque vs. the rev happy nature of the 1.6 Sigma which I’m used to.

Edited by Scoobysaurus on Monday 7th November 15:49

simonrockman

7,128 posts

285 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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They need the Ecoboosts. The 3-cyl 1.0 is tweakable to over 140BHP.

350Matt

3,912 posts

309 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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sadly once you add the turbo, intercooler, pumps and what not, then a 1.3 ecoboost is about the same weight as a 2.0 ltr duratec ( they are pretty light for an old engine as there's so little to them)

framerateuk

2,951 posts

214 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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The Ecoboost is also a bit tall, the demo car they did a few years back had a not-very-pretty bonnet bulge in it to accommodate it.

I doubt the lack of Sigmas is having much effect on Caterham. Their order books are full and having one less engine to deal with makes things easier from an inventory point of view.

All that said, I love my Sigma 140 and it's going nowhere!

Stumason10

84 posts

235 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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or use the Ford triple non turbo charged Ala Morgan in the Super 3. 100 odd bhp and light without turbo and the gubbins.

jezzaaa

1,951 posts

289 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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I can see why they'd want to fill the gap left by the 1.6...but the European price appears to be higher than the current UK 360. And 20hp difference?? Why bother If it's not much cheaper? And if it is much cheaper...how can they justify the price of the 360/420?!

Edited by jezzaaa on Monday 7th November 18:14

Master Bean

5,244 posts

150 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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I'm confuzzled. It has 10hp less than the 360. The 1.6 had 125, 135, 140 and 152hp. This seems like an excuse for a press release.

esotericar

745 posts

57 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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simonrockman said:
They need the Ecoboosts. The 3-cyl 1.0 is tweakable to over 140BHP.
I've actually driven a Caterham with a 1.0 three-pot ecoboost. It was horrid. Laggy and vague throttle response. A 2.0-litre NA four banger is a much better idea. A three-pot is fine if NA and reasonable output. Just not turbo in a Caterham. Yuck.

Simon Owen

895 posts

164 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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I always thought the 1.5 & 2.0 Mazda Skyactive engines would work well in the Seven.



Edited by Simon Owen on Monday 7th November 22:56

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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I'm surprised the Ford 2.0 N/A is still made. Glad, but surprised. I wonder what Caterham will do when it's gone.

BertBert

21,306 posts

241 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Johnny5hoods said:
I'm surprised the Ford 2.0 N/A is still made. Glad, but surprised. I wonder what Caterham will do when it's gone.
This is caterham's impending problem. Could be existential if it comes to pass.

Chubbyross

5,008 posts

115 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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esotericar said:
simonrockman said:
They need the Ecoboosts. The 3-cyl 1.0 is tweakable to over 140BHP.
I've actually driven a Caterham with a 1.0 three-pot ecoboost. It was horrid. Laggy and vague throttle response. A 2.0-litre NA four banger is a much better idea. A three-pot is fine if NA and reasonable output. Just not turbo in a Caterham. Yuck.
The idea of a turbo in a Seven is horrible. Imagine the turbo kicking in mid corner in a Caterham. What could possibly go wrong?!

carlo996

6,815 posts

51 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Nothing new at Caterham then biggrin

braddo

12,370 posts

218 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Master Bean said:
I'm confuzzled. It has 10hp less than the 360. The 1.6 had 125, 135, 140 and 152hp. This seems like an excuse for a press release.
Different models for different markets. A new 340 homologated for EU and Japan markets (a good thing) and no change to 360/420 for UK market.

Scoobysaurus

Original Poster:

363 posts

127 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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braddo said:
Master Bean said:
I'm confuzzled. It has 10hp less than the 360. The 1.6 had 125, 135, 140 and 152hp. This seems like an excuse for a press release.
Different models for different markets. A new 340 homologated for EU and Japan markets (a good thing) and no change to 360/420 for UK market.
And still an uncomfortable gap in the UK between 170 and the 360, being 84 vs. 180bhp.

MF35

454 posts

51 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Chubbyross said:
esotericar said:
simonrockman said:
They need the Ecoboosts. The 3-cyl 1.0 is tweakable to over 140BHP.
I've actually driven a Caterham with a 1.0 three-pot ecoboost. It was horrid. Laggy and vague throttle response. A 2.0-litre NA four banger is a much better idea. A three-pot is fine if NA and reasonable output. Just not turbo in a Caterham. Yuck.
The idea of a turbo in a Seven is horrible. Imagine the turbo kicking in mid corner in a Caterham. What could possibly go wrong?!
LOL - doesn't bear thinking about - and even in terms of enjoyable dynamics, a turbo misses the point. Turbos work very well in larger, ideally 4WD cars where the fun is devouring road as efficiently as possible e.g. ur-quattro. But for the kind of nuanced driving that a small light car (and esp. a Caterham) with modest grip permits, n/a every time. Otherwise, you're always driving "around the boost" - you can't just ignore it - which you can do to a large extent in e.g., a quattro (buries right foot, backs car in, fires out of bend, all 4 wheels engaged, yee-haa, etc - great fun too of course, but it's the micro-responsiveness of a Caterham that appeals, and a turbo is at odds with the core of the car's appeal, unless you only ever plan to be a Sunday driver).

Is that a 2-tone paint scheme btw? Looks well


boombang

551 posts

204 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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simonrockman said:
They need the Ecoboosts. The 3-cyl 1.0 is tweakable to over 140BHP.
I had a Fiesta with the 137bhp 1.0. it was nippy, as fast as similar class hot hatches of the 90s like a 106 GTi or Saxo VTS, and was very frugal, able to hit 50mpg.

It was however lumpy as hell, flat off boost, and the power delivery was not suited to a sports car - not to mention the packaging issues.

Edited by boombang on Tuesday 8th November 09:22

framerateuk

2,951 posts

214 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Master Bean said:
I'm confuzzled. It has 10hp less than the 360. The 1.6 had 125, 135, 140 and 152hp. This seems like an excuse for a press release.
Caterham have a different range for the EU. You can't buy most of those models there - this is specifically for that market.

framerateuk

2,951 posts

214 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Chubbyross said:
The idea of a turbo in a Seven is horrible. Imagine the turbo kicking in mid corner in a Caterham. What could possibly go wrong?!
Comes down to tuning I guess. My Mégane 280 is a 1.8 turbo, but the power delivery is very linear - even more so on the 220hp 1.6 that used to be in the Clip RS. When Caterham had their relationship with Renault, I always wondered if they'd end up going to those engines. Packaging a turbo in a Caterham is hard work though.

I think it would be a good laugh though. A friend has a MEV Exocet (mx5 based) that they've turbocharged, it's pretty agile in the bends, but it's laughably quick in a straight line. It could do with some mapping to smooth it out though.

Sean Toms

23 posts

151 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Caterham need to find a modern equivalent to the Rover K Series , light weight , high revving and very powerful

The old R500 K Series , weighed 460kG and put out 230BHP

I have an R400 Superlight K Series it weighs 490kg and the X power cars had 200 BHP

A 620R replete with 310 BHP weighs a very heavy 610 KG , this is the equivalent of adding two c12 stone people before you add the driver to an old K Series R500 !

A 420R weighs 560KG , equivalent to adding an 11 stone passenger next to me in my car.

Added to that its power to weight is 380 per metric tonne not 420 !

The 420 Cup brochure ( just downloaded ) does not even quote a weight ......what are they hiding ? , why ?

Normally cars add weight largely with adding additional safety systems , Caterham cannot use that as an excuse there are no more safety systems on a 420R than there are on a 1999 VHPD Superlight

Caterham need to focus really hard on controlling weight it is the enemy of performance and enjoyment in their vehicles.

Lighter normally aspirated engines are a good place to start

Anyone got any ideas on engines that fit in the engine bay and are lighter than Duractecs and will be around for 7 years ?




Edited by Sean Toms on Tuesday 8th November 14:50