RE: Porsche Cayman S PDK (987.2) | The Brave Pill
RE: Porsche Cayman S PDK (987.2) | The Brave Pill
Saturday 19th November 2022

Porsche Cayman S PDK (987.2) | The Brave Pill

Galactic miles but a down-to-earth price


Regardless of the love or otherwise it receives from y’all, this Cayman S is already a winner. Because with no fewer than 224,893 miles showing at the point at which the vendor took the advert photographs, it is officially the leggiest Brave Pill of all time, having averaged more than 17,000 miles a year since it was first registered in 2009. That’s an impressive figure for any car to reach, doubly so for a sports car. This Cayman’s very existence is proof of the usability that has always been a core part of Porsche’s appeal, but that odometer score also means it is going to have to fish in a small pool of risk-positive potential buyers.

That has been reflected in the price, a bargainacious £10,000 albeit with a “part exchange to clear - no offers” warning at the top of the advert. That figure makes it the cheapest Cayman of any sort currently in the classifieds, with the fact that this is a facelifted Gen 2 S with the PDK dual-clutch auto meaning it is being offered for around half the price of a similarly specced car with 80,000 miles on it. It will definitely be more than half the car.

Regular readers might know that this is a club I’m already a member of, having bought a very similar Gen 2 Cayman S back in 2018, a car I still have. Mine is black rather than white, and has a manual gearbox plus a more comprehensive set of options. But I’m looking at the pictures of this one thinking that I would have been seriously tempted if this had turned up four years ago. Despite the clearance part-ex proviso our Pill looks gleaming in the pictures, and beyond a worn driver’s seat bolster – they all do that, sir – it’s hard to see visual evidence that this is one of the furthest travelled Caysters in the country.

One thing I remember from my own quest to find my perfect Cayman was just how many low-quality cars there were at the bottom end of the market, but also how little the putative sellers of these had done to correct (or even disguise) obvious faults. One car had so many stone chips it seemed to have been shotgunned, another left a visible pool of oil where it had been sitting on the dealer’s pitch. Yet this one looks close to immaculate, with the dealer promising it comes with a detailed service history, much from a main dealer.

It’s not perfect. Our Pill’s vendor admits it needs attention to its handbrake and - you might want to pre-roll your eyes here - an air-con regas. The brakes could well be the miniature shoes within the rear discs, which are a PITA to swap over thanks to a spring that seems carefully designed to be impossible to remove. Yes, I do indeed possess that t-shirt. But even if the air conditioning does need more than a dose of refrigerant to sort it out - the condenser behind the front bumper is prone to damage - the remedial list is some way short of a butcher’s bill. Presuming the rest of it is mechanically sound, even a leggy Cayman S of this vintage should still feel like one of Porsche’s early 21st century highlights thanks to its combination of mid-engined poise, chatty hydraulically assisted steering and zingy performance.

The idea for a coupe version of the already successful Boxster was inspired in part by how much the Porsche 911 had grown when it switched to water cooling. Although its engine was in the middle rather than at the back, the Cayman was very close on dimensions, weight and performance to the last 993-gen Carrera 2. At 1,340kg the Cayman S was 30kg lighter than the air-cooled car while its 3.2-litre flat-six was 23hp more powerful, resulting in a 0-62mph time two-tenths quicker.

The Cayman was a critical success, with testers soon discovering that although the S version wasn’t allowed to beat the base 997-generation 911 Carrera 2 on straight-line performance, it felt considerably more lithe and agile in the corners. The entry-level 2.7-litre version introduced soon after the S was one of the Porsches from the era that developed a reputation for middle-aged maladies - in this case, failure of the engine’s intermediate shaft bearing. But when Porsche gave the Cayman its mid-life facelift in 2009 it gave the base car a brawnier and sturdier 2.9-litre engine, upgraded the S to a 3.4-litre motor with 325hp and also introduced the option of a twin-clutch PDK transmission to replace the earlier torque converter auto.

These ‘Gen 2’ cars have carried a premium ever since, and although the market’s preference has swung back towards manual gearboxes in recent years, as a facelifted S our Pill ticks two of the more desirable boxes. Whoever originally specced this car was obviously more concerned with driving than creature comforts; it lacks both satellite navigation and the BOSE speaker upgrade that many S buyers went for, and also gets the cheaper ventilation controls with a digitised cold-hot slider in place of automatic climate control. But it does have cruise control, rear parking sensors and what would have been the pricey option of corner-swivelling PDLS adaptive bi-xenon headlights. I’m also jealous to see it has the seat heaters that my Cayman lacks.

Mileage aside, as a Gen 2 Cayman S it could have windy windows and plastic seats and still look attractive for £10,000 - so the crucial question is how well the rest of it has hung together over two trips around the clock. Strangely the car’s registration doesn’t bring up an MOT history, suggesting it may have recently lost a private registration. But Enzo the Database Hamster has dug a little deeper to find some older tests listed on a commercial car history site.

This shows a very impressive rate of mileage acquisition early on, with the Cayman having covered 126,000 miles at the time of its first test, and putting on nearly 40,000 before its next one. By 2016 it suffered from a virulent outbreak of red, the sort that must have worn out the tester’s typing fingers given a list that included worn tyres, sketchy discs, corroded brake pipes – another common Cayman issue – a non-functioning handbrake and an engine oil leak. It passed a few days later, although still with the oil leak, but the MOT history peters out after the next test in 2017, by which time the car had passed 216,000 miles.

Will it be mechanically perfect? Almost certainly not to judge from both the price and the cautious tone struck by the advert text. But that doesn’t stop it from being seriously attractive for anyone with a reasonable amount of mechanical nous; for the money you could justify turning it into a track day toy, or using it as a daily with no worries about reducing its value with more miles. Last year we featured a 997 Carrera 4S with nearly 300,000 miles. It looked lovely, and had a full Porsche main dealer history, but it was being offered for pretty much the same price as a 100,000 miler would have been.

This Cayman S has done 60,000 fewer miles than that 997, and is being offered for less than a third of the price. Somebody brave is going to bag themselves a bargain.


See the full advert here

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cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

45,013 posts

210 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I'd prefer a different colour, but that is a proper mileage for one of these I reckon. I'd love a go in one for sure. driving

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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The air con will be 90% down to the condenser, not the end of the world, can be fixed for £100 (diy)plus the gas. The hand brake problem will be the shoes behind the disc. All these usually need is the caliper and disc removal and a thorough clean to remove dust and rust particle build up, diy means zero cost to fix.
I have a 24k mile Gen 1 3.4S.

chirurgus

523 posts

246 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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It looks very dated in white, but the addition of the Martini racing livery and a few carefully chosen modifications would turn it into a brilliant track car

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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A great testament to the car.

Will be difficult when you're trying to sell it with over 250000 on the clock though.

nismo48

7,180 posts

237 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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ChocolateFrog said:
A great testament to the car.

Will be difficult when you're trying to sell it with over 250000 on the clock though.
thumbup Agree!! Nevertheless a good Brave Pill wink

nismo48

7,180 posts

237 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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"SOLD"

Robertb

3,901 posts

268 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I’d be interested in an engineers view, but I’ve often wondered if a car like this, which had presumably done most of those miles warmed up and at reasonably gentle and constant speeds every day might be a better bet than a 20k miler that’s been taken out infrequently for 30 mile blats of which proportionately more is driven cold.

The interior looks remarkably tidy… seat bolster etc.

The bit that requires bravery in my view is the PDK.

soad

34,705 posts

206 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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nismo48 said:
"SOLD"
Didn’t take long, just like with some SOTW.

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Robertb said:
The bit that requires bravery in my view is the PDK.
As long as the oil services for the PDK gearbox is adhered to they're good for big mileage..

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Proof that old Porsches like to be driven, not left standing. I daily run my '06 Boxster, 9K a year, no problem.

The IMS the article mentions, is only an issue on cars made before about mid-late '05, which will all be early 987 Boxsters, not Caymans. Even then, it tends to afflict cars that have been left standing and done a low overall mileage. Any vehicle that gets to even 50K, if it hasn't gone already, it probably won't. As I say, the only 987s it affects are '04 and early-mid '05 Boxsters. And if you're worried about it, you can just get it changed by a specialist for peace of mind. The 987, in all guises, got a different type of IMS bearing from mid-late '05 that reduced failures to almost non-existent.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 19th November 10:01

Speedgirl

291 posts

197 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Nice, I had a red manuel one for 4 years, still miss it even tho it’s not as fast as more modern stuff. Lovely to see it doing the miles. White is on trend and a stripe and black Fuchs will perk it up. Surprisingly similar to 993 to drive at a much more reasonable price. Greatly improved by a slipper.

cabbalisticar

125 posts

47 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Not convinced this is a great buy. For barely any more money you could have a nice, fresh 987.1 3.2 Box with a quarter the miles or less. And the 3.2 lump is pretty reliable - if I had to bet my life on one of them adding 50k miles without imploding, it wouldn't be the gen 2 with over 200k.

That would be 90 percent of the driving thrills of a later 3.4 in a much fresher car. As fun as it is to seen a gen 2 3.4 Croc this cheap, don't actually think it's a good idea.

S600BSB

8,517 posts

136 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Still don't really like the shape of the Cayman.

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Then it's probably not for you.

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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cabbalisticar said:
Not convinced this is a great buy. For barely any more money you could have a nice, fresh 987.1 3.2 Box with a quarter the miles or less.
But not with PDK.

S600BSB

8,517 posts

136 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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993kimbo said:
Then it's probably not for you.
You are probably right. I will stick with the 911

Leeg44

14 posts

54 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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How many more miles can it do without starting to give serious aggro - I have a high mileage car currently (and happily ran a 986 to 170K)so nothing against them per se, but this surely isn't a case of deciding between percieved benefits of low mileage, not "fully warmed-up often" cars v with, say, 90-100K ones. This is surely a case of how much depreciation will hit you when it eventually wears out (and even quality cars do after a certain point) then the drop from £10K to perhaps £3K for parts is very steep for an old car.

mersontheperson

732 posts

195 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Leeg44

14 posts

54 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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mersontheperson said:

998420

929 posts

181 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Robertb said:
I’d be interested in an engineers view, but I’ve often wondered if a car like this, which had presumably done most of those miles warmed up and at reasonably gentle and constant speeds every day might be a better bet than a 20k miler that’s been taken out infrequently for 30 mile blats of which proportionately more is driven cold.

The interior looks remarkably tidy… seat bolster etc.

The bit that requires bravery in my view is the PDK.
All the classic/future classic cars of various makes that I have looked at are seeing a widening gap between manual and auto gearbox prices, and desirability... typically there are fewer manuals for sale, and for more money. The bottom of the market for 911s, m3s, etc. is full of autos and convertibles

So, you would be mad to buy an auto, or simply don't care about the money and resale