RE: 2023 Honda Civic Type R | PH Review
RE: 2023 Honda Civic Type R | PH Review
Sunday 20th November 2022

2023 Honda Civic Type R | PH Review

An early go in the US market FL5 suggests little has changed over its predecessor. But it didn't really need to...


We can’t tell you how the hotly anticipated new Civic Type R deals with Europe yet. But, thanks to the different pace that new cars are launched around the world, we can tell you what it feels like in America. Spoiler alert: it’s bloody good.

It might be fitting to experience the new FL5 generation abroad first, because it has lost its predecessor’s home team advantage. The EP3, FN2, FK2 and FK8 generations were all built in sunny Swindon, but the closure of that plant means that this one comes from Japan. It remains an international co-production, though, using the same turbocharged 2.0-litre VTEC engine as the last one, with this built in Ohio.

Beyond the motor much else remains familiar. The new Type R uses the same clever dual axis front suspension to help battle understeer, a slightly beefed-up version of its predecessor’s six-speed manual gearbox (with the rev-matching function to smooth downshifts) and delivers urge to its hard-working front tyres through a limited-slip differential. 

The story is one of minor differences: a 35mm stretch in length, a 25kg increase in mass and a body structure claimed to be 15 percent stiffer. The American version has been given a small increase in power, with Honda now quoting a peak of 316hp from the K20C1 engine. But that’s just lifted it to the same figure that the FK8 made in Europe. We’ll have to see if we get to keep that output once the new car arrives in the UK given the increasing trend for emissions-enforced power reductions in Europe, although we might get lucky and have an increase to the Japanese market version’s 325hp.

That meagre list pretty much covers off the objective changes. The more important one is probably the subjective question of looks. The FL5 has been given a redesign that moves it on from the cartoonish detailing of the last two versions. Subtle it definitely ain’t - there is still a sizeable curved wing hung above the tailgate plus triple exhaust pipes exiting at the centre of the bumper. There are extra vents over the regular Civic, too - although in a welcome change over the last one none of these are fake. Channels under the headlights now direct more cooling air to the 350mm front brake discs to help fight fade, with the new vents at the back of the wings helping to pull high pressure air out of the wheel wells. The one on the bonnet helps improve airflow over the radiator. 

The interior is similarly no-nonsense. The car I drove in the ‘States was rocking the very Type R combination of a white exterior with red seats and carpets, these contrasting nicely with the sensible dark plastics higher up the cabin. Most of the architecture is obviously shared with the regular Civic, although the R gets a redesigned digital dashboard once turned to its punchier dynamic modes, plus a revised centre console to put the spherical aluminium gearshifter in the optimum position for ticking off that ‘falls easily to hand’ cliché. Because it really does.

The driving experience runs with the narrative of incremental improvement. The engine fires into the same bass-heavy idle as the last Type R, and that gearlever moves with the same tactile precision, although the clutch bites relatively high. Steering is very direct with just 2.1 turns between locks. At lower speeds the power assistance feels a bit short on both weight and feedback, but it quickly improves as loadings increase. A lightened flywheel compared with the last Type R improves accelerator responses, and although there is a predictable pause as boost builds at lower revs, the engine pulls strongly and seamlessly by the time it gets to 3,500rpm - just halfway to the marked redline.

As before there are switchable dynamic modes, with a toggle switch on the centre console cycling between Comfort, Sport and an Individual function, and with a +R shortcut button above this turning everything up to full Hulk settings. Honda says the +R function is intended primarily for track use, which I’d normally put down as marketing hype, but Michigan backroads soon prove that it has turned the adaptive dampers too firm for this bit of the real world: I even experience what feels like Formula 1 style porpoising. Comfort might not seem like the most Type R appropriate choice of driving mode, but the softer shock absorber settings turn out to be almost perfect for imperfect surfaces, allowing enough vertical movement to avoid a pummelling, but still stopping unwanted secondary motions from developing.

You will be unsurprised to hear that, like its turbocharged predecessors, this Type R feels seriously quick. It loves to rev, the engine pulling with increasing urgency all the way to the red line. A set of change-up LEDs above the digital instruments illuminate progressively as this gets near, yet strangely Honda has also added a warning chime as the limiter approaches - reminiscent of the one in the Mazda RX-8 - which seems redundant given the lights and aural fury. The front end has to battle to find traction on lumpier surfaces, but while cambers and ridges are felt through the helm, the Type R hangs onto a chosen line with dogged determination. It’s exciting without suffering from significant torque steer. Oh, and the steering really comes alive with bigger chassis loadings, feeling properly dialled in as lateral G forces increase. 

It is possible to engender understeer, but only with the sort of provocation in a tight corner that all but the most ham-footed will avoid. Most of the time the Type R’s front end feels pretty much nailed to a chosen line, with the smart LSD allowing what feels impossibly early throttle applications without overpowering the Pilot Sport 4S tyres. Even in Comfort mode there’s a fair amount of throttle adjustability, easing the accelerator pushing the rear axle outwards. Sport and +R reduce the intervention enough to allow slight oversteer, this with the stability control still switched on. But the most effective way to tackle a corner is by taking significant brake application to the apex to get the car turning, then getting hard on the gas when the optimum exit appears. 

Fake vents aside, there was never much wrong with the last Type R, a car which lived its whole life at the sharp end of the hot hatch segment. This one doesn’t feel radically different, but it does feel subtly better in every key regard - to the extent I’m scratching around the nominate anything that didn’t feel like an improvement. The rev-matching gearshift function still feels a bit dull-witted and was soon turned off; it’s more fun to do it yourself. I even loved the bright red carpets, although they would be a pain to keep clean through a British winter.

We’ll have to wait to drive a European-spec Type R to confirm how well it handles the different challenges of life on this side of the Atlantic. But on the basis of this first taste in America, anticipation should be building to a fever pitch. 


Specification | 2023 Honda Civic Type R

Engine: 1996cc, four-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: Six-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 315 @ 6500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 310 @ 2600rpm
0-62mph: 5.2-sec
Top speed: TBC
Weight: 1430kg 
MPG: TBC
CO2: TBC
Price: $43,990 (MSRP, U.S.)

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Chestrockwell

Original Poster:

2,947 posts

187 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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This car looks epic, especially in that spec.

I really wanted to order one as my first ever brand new car but after the details came out and this review, I don’t see myself doing so.

Having had the FK8 for 6 months and 8 thousand miles, it was a brilliant car. I loved it but if the power is the same and the new one is a minor improvement (didn’t even know it as possible to improve) I don’t see myself taking a risk in buying a brand new car that isn’t that much better than the previous one.

Perhaps when it’s cheaper, if not, I’ll just buy another FK8 if I ever need to scratch that itch again.

Knowing my luck, they’ll be limited and sell for 10k overs for the first year hehe

2smoke

233 posts

141 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I have a deposit with my local dealer who sent more details this week. Apparently UK power output will be 329PS (420NM torque).
Pricing to be released at the end of the month. I’m really hoping it to be closer to £40k than £50k, but who knows in these crazy price inflated times. If it is the latter I will most likely ask for the deposit back.

2smoke

233 posts

141 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I have a deposit with my local dealer who sent more details this week. Apparently UK power output will be 329PS (420NM torque).
Pricing to be released at the end of the month. I’m really hoping it to be closer to £40k than £50k, but who knows in these crazy price inflated times. If it is the latter I will most likely ask for the deposit back.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I really think a touring spec with no wing and a more subtle exhaust would sell really well.

skyetom

80 posts

244 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Great car. Just one issue for me- the rear wing is awful. It looks like it was nailed on in a hurry 20 minutes before launch.

Donbot

4,194 posts

157 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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skyetom said:
Great car. Just one issue for me- the rear wing is awful. It looks like it was nailed on in a hurry 20 minutes before launch.
I agree. I'd rather no wing than that Halfords stick on job. What happened to designing this stuff?

ChevronB19

9,192 posts

193 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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ChocolateFrog said:
I really think a touring spec with no wing and a more subtle exhaust would sell really well.
Ditto. I could just about tolerate the exhaust, but that wing doesn’t sit well with the rest of the car.

Otherwise, I’d be sorely tempted, and I’m a sucker for red seats and red carpets…

CraigV6

348 posts

161 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Terrible looking thing, so very little has changed from last two iterations.

fantheman80

2,667 posts

79 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I think PH you’ve made light of the individual mode, something my fk8 doesn’t have, although I have to say I go everywhere in +r anway. However, Watching the savage geese video, the chief engineer wanted to make the most extreme R so makes no apologies for the savage stiffness in r, as he justifies it by drivers being able to dial it back to comfort but still have the sharpest engine blah de blah

I have a deposit for one, just not sure it’s enough of a change except gorgeous big wings and red carpets over my modded fk8

Zero Fuchs

2,749 posts

48 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Really want one of these as a last hurrah but not in the current climate of ridiculous lead times. Price might be a factor too as I've a feeling this will be £40k+

I'm going to wait a few years for the facelift and hope there's also a way to remove the rear wing. It'll look so much cleaner.

Otherwise it ticks all the right boxes.

Throttle House has just done a back to back with the previous gen Type R and criticised it for being slower in some circumstances, despite it being almost a second faster round the track. Personally I don't care as 325bhp is plenty in a hatch.

samoht

7,291 posts

176 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Looks brill, aside from the rear wing which would seem eminently removable.

The Japanese can be very good at this sort of iteration, keep everything good about the previous model unchanged and address the weaknesses.

GT86 - great sports car with a lame engine - fit a much stronger engine into the same chassis
FK8 CTR - fab all round hot hatch that looked ridiculous - new gen looks smooth, muscular and purposeful with the same drivetrain etc
ND1 MX-5 - 2.0 engine lacking sparkle - much higher revving engine

Hopefully with this car Honda can manage a full production run without production or import being curtailed, and everyone who wants one can get one.


David87

7,035 posts

242 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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ChocolateFrog said:
I really think a touring spec with no wing and a more subtle exhaust would sell really well.
They did this with the last one and sold about two. hehe

I really like this new one. I’ve registered interest with my local dealer so hopefully I’ll hear something soon as current info from them has been zero. If I had the choice between this, GR86 or GR Yaris it’d be very hard to pick!

fantheman80

2,667 posts

79 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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David87 said:
They did this with the last one and sold about two. hehe

I really like this new one. I’ve registered interest with my local dealer so hopefully I’ll hear something soon as current info from them has been zero. If I had the choice between this, GR86 or GR Yaris it’d be very hard to pick!
Specs and prices available on the 30th November, Honda uk put on the gram this week

fantheman80

2,667 posts

79 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Zero Fuchs said:
Throttle House has just done a back to back with the previous gen Type R and criticised it for being slower in some circumstances, despite it being almost a second faster round the track. Personally I don't care as 325bhp is plenty in a hatch.
Yea was surprised the fk8 left the fl5 each time on the rolling race. I thought the extra torque would offset the weight and it be close if not a win for the newer car. Can only say the fl5 engine will be a bit tight still

DVR V8

655 posts

241 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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ChevronB19 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I really think a touring spec with no wing and a more subtle exhaust would sell really well.
Ditto. I could just about tolerate the exhaust, but that wing doesn’t sit well with the rest of the car.

Otherwise, I’d be sorely tempted, and I’m a sucker for red seats and red carpets…
That's exactly what I thought and bought a 2021 FK8 sportline CTR face-lift. Same car as the GT but no huge spoiler.

aestivator

265 posts

60 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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The normal Civic in the US is a saloon, which to my eyes looks a lot better resolved than the weird liftback thing we get over here. So why is their Type R not the saloon? Or is there a saloon version as well?

Zero Fuchs

2,749 posts

48 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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fantheman80 said:
Zero Fuchs said:
Throttle House has just done a back to back with the previous gen Type R and criticised it for being slower in some circumstances, despite it being almost a second faster round the track. Personally I don't care as 325bhp is plenty in a hatch.
Yea was surprised the fk8 left the fl5 each time on the rolling race. I thought the extra torque would offset the weight and it be close if not a win for the newer car. Can only say the fl5 engine will be a bit tight still
Surprised me too and especially at the end when it was decidedly faster round the track. Funny how they still wanted the Golf R though. Personally if I was after an uber focussed hatch, the Golf wouldn't even be on the list, good as it is.

You make an interesting point about a new engine being tighter though and look forward to seeing the UK reviews once journos have ragged the crap out of the test fleet and run them in properly.

Bathroom_Security

3,913 posts

147 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Be interesting to see how it copes over a British B road. the suspension setup looks terrible. And don't give me a load of 'its Japanese etc' crap, suspension is there to work with a road surface rather than fight it, its no wonder they didn't bring cars like the Integra DC5 over here.

Finance % rates and the base price I expect will be horrendous, you'll have to really want one of these to buy one. Lets face it, most wont be cash buyers which is absolutely fine.





nuttywobbler

349 posts

92 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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I’ve heard mutterings of a £50k+ U.K. list price…

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 19th November 2022
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Chestrockwell said:
This car looks epic, especially in that spec.

I really wanted to order one as my first ever brand new car but after the details came out and this review, I don’t see myself doing so.

Having had the FK8 for 6 months and 8 thousand miles, it was a brilliant car. I loved it but if the power is the same and the new one is a minor improvement (didn’t even know it as possible to improve) I don’t see myself taking a risk in buying a brand new car that isn’t that much better than the previous one.

Perhaps when it’s cheaper, if not, I’ll just buy another FK8 if I ever need to scratch that itch again.

Knowing my luck, they’ll be limited and sell for 10k overs for the first year hehe
I think it looks incredibly dull in comparison to what went before. I'm sure it will drive wonderfully, but what a bland looking car. Maybe be better in the metal though.