RE: Renaultsport Clio 172 Cup | PH Fleet
RE: Renaultsport Clio 172 Cup | PH Fleet
Friday 25th November 2022

Renaultsport Clio 172 Cup | PH Fleet

Is a Renaultsport Clio one of the few remaining bargain hot hatches today? Ben certainly thinks so...


Despite having lived in Kent for almost a decade, I’ve struggled to find decent, quiet driving roads that last longer than a few miles. I moved down for a dream job at Caterham from sleepy Shropshire, with barely any traffic other than tractors and mile after mile of exceptional, flowing country roads. And that’s even before considering how close Wales was.

The garden of England Kent may be, but the roads are busy and rough. My B-road commute to Caterham’s Crawley site was great fun but spoilt by the road surface generally being pretty horrendous. So, when I stumbled upon a dream drive route last year, it was an instant hit. My Megane has seen it many a time since, and now it was the Clio's turn.

There are many reasons why I bought my fourth second-generation Renaultsport Clio, but the biggest must be how much fun they are at sensible speeds. Which is also why I sold my Clio 200 after a matter of months. Sure, the 200 is faster, more planted and more capable. It’s an exceptional feat of engineering and certainly progress from the previous generation, but it’s also more serious and just not as fun at a slower pace.

Even on Bilstein B14 coilovers, VU53 SVO leans into the corners and will happily wag its tail when provoked. The conclusion I’ve reached in recent years is that one of the things I enjoy most about driving is feeling weight transfer, which cars of this era hand out in spades. It slows you down, which is no bad thing sometimes, and gives a greater sensation of going faster at slower speeds. I love it, all part of modern classic charm of a near 20-year-old Clio.

I’ve driven the route from Paddock Wood to Camber and onward to Bodiam for brekkie with groups of PHers a couple of times now, and it’s perfect to put something narrow and nimble to the test. The first half is narrow and tight, and then opens to wider faster flowing roads with increased visibility the further south you travel.

Being naturally aspirated, the Clio loves to rev, with a VTEC-style just-kicked-in moment at 5,000rpm. Which is exactly when the K-Tec induction kit really starts to roar like throttle bodies right up to the 7,200rpm limiter, only for a fraction of the cost. It’s addictive, and exactly where you want to keep the revs to maximise momentum and air-sucking noise. It’s just a shame the gearshift isn’t anywhere near as good as what you get in a VTEC package.

With no ABS or traction control, you’ve got to have your wits about you but there’s always plenty of feedback to keep you in the loop, even if it is through a bus-size steering wheel. These little cars really do put such a big grin on your face for something so affordable – it’s easy to see why so many people return to them after replacing them with something more powerful.

It doesn’t feel out of place in the company of more powerful machinery, and you can thrash it to your heart's content, knowing that it won’t cost the earth if something goes wrong. They’re not the steal they once were and they’re not getting any cheaper, so go out and buy one now, and thank me later. You could even bring it out on our next run down to the coast…


FACT SHEET

Car: 2003 Renaultsport Clio 172 Cup
Run by: Ben Lowden
On fleet since: April 2022
Mileage: 58,346

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bangerhoarder

Original Poster:

816 posts

98 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I did find the steering wheel a bit...unwieldy in them. Is there a smaller jobbie in the Renault stable that will keep the airbag?

LankyFreak

876 posts

58 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Would love to try one of these, most fun I've ever had in a car was a boggo Mk2 Clio. And now my brothers getting one for his first car... I think I need a matching 172 biggrin

Frimley111R

19,327 posts

264 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Can't beat the R26 though. You get the handling plus a lot of easy power (270bhp with a simple remap).

pincher

10,595 posts

247 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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They are SO much fun.

Inherited mine from my dad and it’s just ticked over 40,000 miles earlier this week. It’s not been without its issues in that time but it is French after all laugh

_Bozzy

780 posts

108 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Are these still really that cheap?

bencollins4

1,241 posts

236 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Love a Clio! Enjoyed a 182 for a few years and agree, a cracking little engine at high revs.

I love on the East Sussex / Kent border near Hawkhurst and agree the Camber road is pretty good. As is Staple Cross to Rye, then Rye to Brenzett. Running parallel to that is the Old Military Road from Rye to Appledore - not quite the Old Military Road that runs through the Cairngorms, but a good one nonetheless and usually very quiet.

Give us a shout if you head that way again on a drive - my GR Yaris or Zenos has yet to be used on those roads!

DaveyBoyWonder

3,949 posts

204 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I'm looking to get back into another R53 Mini early in the new year but 172/182 keep popping up on my radar... are they better than the Mini (which I know a lot about and love to bits)?

Squoz

7 posts

115 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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What are the B14s like compared to the standard suspension?

Salamura

544 posts

111 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Loved my 172. I considered the Cup at the time, but the Aircon and ABS seemed more important than ultimate lightness in a daily. I found that it wasn't difficult to get used to the large steering wheel, especially given the fantastic feedback through it. The engine is a proper screamer as well, and the gearbox feel is not that bad at all. I did find the gear lever position to be a bit too far away for my liking, and the driving position is a bit like on old Italian cars, but the seats are fantastic. The most fun car I have ever driven on normal roads bar none.

I sold mine to a chap who wanted it for track use. I hope it's still alive.

plenty

5,036 posts

216 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Frimley111R said:
Can't beat the R26 though. You get the handling plus a lot of easy power (270bhp with a simple remap).
Had both, kept the Clio.

Megane mk2 is not a large car, but the Clio is usefully smaller and 250 kgs lighter. And with a less powerful car you get to drive it hard more of the time. And the Clio has proper hydraulic steering, not the early EPAS which is the weak link in the R26.

pincher

10,595 posts

247 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Salamura said:
Loved my 172. I considered the Cup at the time, but the Aircon and ABS seemed more important than ultimate lightness in a daily.
My Cup has aircon smile

Prohibiting

1,922 posts

148 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Sold my 172 Cup earlier this summer and was one of the longest cars I’ve kept in terms of time.

They are amazing little cars which are very fun to drive and will humble most cars several times its price on a track day. As the article mentions, you can have fun at sensible speeds without too much fear of losing your license. You won’t win a traffic light Grand Prix but you don’t buy one of these for that. You buy these for the sheer enjoyment of actually driving one although you have to be careful that you don’t bin it into a ditch with the lack of driver aids! It’s a proper go-kart for the street and I wish I could have kept mine. Ultimately I needed something more comfortable as a daily and already have a weekend toy. The great thing about these is that most servicing parts are cheap.



Edited by Prohibiting on Friday 25th November 14:00

Kerm1t

966 posts

227 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Absolutely adore mine! I fitted a much smaller steering wheel and it's without doubt the best thing I've done to the car!!

Always enjoy these updates. The 172 Cup really is a special little car, often under-appreciated, but will become quite sought after in the coming years I feel......

Ben Lowden

7,366 posts

207 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Friday 25th November 2022
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bangerhoarder said:
I did find the steering wheel a bit...unwieldy in them. Is there a smaller jobbie in the Renault stable that will keep the airbag?
I've seen people fit the 197/200 steering wheel with airbag, although I don't know how well the controls wire in. Not that the 172 Cup has cruise control anyway biggrin

_Bozzy said:
Are these still really that cheap?
Depends on your definitely of cheap, but there's still plenty around for less than £5k.

Squoz said:
What are the B14s like compared to the standard suspension?
More compliant and fantastic on the road without being too stiff. I've seen people say they're a bit soft for track work, but I haven't tried them on track yet. They were fitted out of the box, so I'm going to get a proper set up done in the new year and see what difference that makes.

Kerm1t said:
Absolutely adore mine! I fitted a much smaller steering wheel and it's without doubt the best thing I've done to the car!!

Always enjoy these updates. The 172 Cup really is a special little car, often under-appreciated, but will become quite sought after in the coming years I feel......
Thank you! Getting a smaller wheel fitted is high up on my list to do when I get the suspension set up sorted thumbup

Court_S

14,774 posts

207 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I still really like these and would love one as a toy for B road blasts if I had the space.

Cambs_Stuart

3,539 posts

114 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I've fitted a 197 wheel to my 172. It's the same diameter as the 182 but deeper dished, so helps with the driving position. Mine hasn't got cruise control so it was really easy to do. Plus it means i keep the airbag and it looks OEM.
As for the gearshift, I've got a poly lower engine mount (the "dogbone") and a brass bush in the end of the shifter. While it's not honda type r perfect, it's pretty good.
I've also got B14s. They're great on the road and absolutely fine for the track, unless you're chasing every last fraction of a second.
It's such a fun car. My wife refers to it as a teenagers car, probably as it rewards enthusiastic driving.



Edited by Cambs_Stuart on Friday 25th November 16:04

Antj

1,149 posts

230 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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i see so many piling cash into old 205's but really the 172/182 is where they should be chucking cash. Great little cars, of course french so expect french issues. But they are fun to drive, you really don't need any more power to be fast even on todays roads. only thing you really need to sort is the seats. Too high standard, but a cheap bucket would make the perfect addition.

CharlieGee

163 posts

145 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I say it on most of these threads that come up but I’ve got an Elise, an Evora and a 172 Cup and I enjoy driving the Clio just as much as the other two.

martin12345

1,014 posts

119 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I've never driven a Clio so can't comment on them. What interested me about the article was the comment that "weight transfer" is a good thing to give feedback and fun. (I paraphrase)

I in principle can buy into this as a view point but I am not totally convinced about it as the car I've owned that was the most fun to drive was a Mk7 Fiesta ST which was absolutely marvellous and really such a lot of fun. But, I don't remember driving it and thinking there was a lot of weight transfer going on as it is a pretty stiffly suspensed and tightly damped car.

Go, whilst it may be that weight transfer is one route to fun, I dont think it is essential or the only way

I think what makes cars fun is a) compact size (relative to the road you are on) so you have some space to move in b) reasonable but not excessive power/torque c) well controlled body movement so you have confidence to push d) good feedback from steering and brakes

Interested in others opinions

HuggyBearFezzy

69 posts

212 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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I do miss my RenaultSport Clio 172 Cup. It had an induction kit that really raised that intake sound. One of most fun little body big engine cars I've ever owned can really did bring a smile to my face on early morning driving over the scammonden moors.

I had it around 2009/2010 when I was in my mid 20's and unfortunately I had more aggro off other road users in that car than any other I've driven...and I was driving sensibly so maybe a case of the 172 seen to have a boy racer image at the time.

They have aged well and always wanted a 182 Trophy but those always seemed a little too expensive at the time.

Currently on my 3rd R53 Mini Cooper S...another hot hatch that is a bargain I imagine due to high VED, maintenance and fuel costs along with rust etc. The R53 delivery is different due to being Supercharged but its such a fun and capable car without the big 172 steering wheel and a much lower driving position. They weigh in around 1100kg and can easily be tuned. Get one with an LSD and slick top 😉