RE: McLaren partners with Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
RE: McLaren partners with Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
Monday 12th December 2022

McLaren partners with Lockheed Martin Skunk Works

Plans to 'assess a futuristic design methodology' could apparently transform supercar design


How closely were you paying attention to Top Gun: Maverick? Hopefully, you were all eagle-eyed enough to recognise the Darkstar in these images, Tom Cruise’s conceptual hypersonic aircraft. And the Artura? That’s there because the makers of the Darkstar - Lockheed Martin Skunk Works - is entering into a technical collaboration with McLaren.

The stated aim is to ‘assess a future design methodology’, which is exactly the sort of encouraging yet non-committal statement to be expected from this sort of tie-up. Essentially the collaboration exists to see if McLaren can learn anything about speeding up its design process from the world of aviation, specifically by using Skunk Works’ new design system in the supercar realm. It means getting the clever folk from both companies together to see if the technology can have an application on four wheels.

Given how fast the car world is moving at this moment, any advantage that can be sought in expediting the design process must be desirable. (Although you do wonder how much a defence firm has to teach them given an almost universal reputation for delays.) But we wouldn't quibble with either company's capacity for showing off; bringing together the latest wares of both companies - both all black, of course - in the Californian high desert is enough to give anyone goosebumps.

Darren Goddard, McLaren’s Chief Technical Officer, said: “McLaren is a pioneering company that has always pushed boundaries and sought out new innovative and disruptive solutions to making the ultimate supercars. Working alongside an iconic company such as Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, renowned for their visionary focus on the future, is a natural fit. We hope this is the start of a longer and deeper collaboration that will benefit our customers in the long-term."


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nismo48

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7,068 posts

237 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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That's a great collaboration thumbup

ate one too

2,914 posts

176 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Maybe a bit of AS9100 Aerospace QMS will rub off too.

chrisironside

967 posts

192 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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This sounds like a collaboration in the same way I collaborated with Five Guys for me tea the other night.

BlackandWhite

391 posts

224 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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chrisironside said:
This sounds like a collaboration in the same way I collaborated with Five Guys for me tea the other night.
Excellent!

Oliver80

366 posts

51 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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What a load of cobblers.

howardhughes

1,414 posts

234 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Well, it mark the quickest Lap ring ever recoreded. Apparenty 2 seconds and a radar detection system so you won't know it was ever there.
Quite astomishing really when you think about it.

Petrus1983

11,151 posts

192 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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They’re making a stealth McLaren that can avoid speed cameras and make a 200mph car worth having. Clever thinking Woking.

But in all seriousness - why would a $130bn company dealing with highly advanced planes have any interest in a cottage industry British car manufacturer??

GreatScott2016

2,522 posts

118 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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nismo48 said:
That's a great collaboration thumbup
Are you being cynical? Surely one of the worst PH threads ever!

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

206 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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What if you can have a car that can make itself 50% lighter - when needed - through some sort of aero technology, in order to make it highly energy efficient?

Maybe that's something being explored.

TdM-GTV

349 posts

247 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Looking for a way to make this an actual technical partnership rather than a bit of brand willy waving, McLaren do have a race team who have to be efficient and cutting edge in design which might actually give some benefit when working with an aviation company. Great engineers in both companies, you never know where an idea is coming from... Clutching at straws?

NMNeil

5,860 posts

80 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
They’re making a stealth McLaren that can avoid speed cameras and make a 200mph car worth having. Clever thinking Woking.

But in all seriousness - why would a $130bn company dealing with highly advanced planes have any interest in a cottage industry British car manufacturer??
"Given how fast the car world is moving at this moment, any advantage that can be sought in expediting the design process must be desirable."
But it begs the question, what experience does Lockheed Martin have designing EV's?

The Hypno-Toad

13,306 posts

235 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:


But in all seriousness - why would a $130bn company dealing with highly advanced planes have any interest in a cottage industry British car manufacturer??
I'll go with massive discounts for their senior staff on the company car scheme.

Oakman

366 posts

188 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Sneak preview of the new grille



Better still - it’s a Manual, even got 3 pedals

Stealthy in Black too love

457892345

406 posts

106 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Hopefully they shove it full of stealth tech to beat the mobile speed cameras.... I mean "enemy" ....

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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i am hoping for the VTOL Maclaren, that can fly to New York in under an hour so i can watch ice hockey and buy a very expensive cappuccino !

Slowlygettingit

945 posts

71 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Slightly off post…..
But I really enjoyed a book on Lockheeds Skunk works a few years ago.
The book focussed on when it was the original skunk works. 1 guy who absolutely led the team about 6-10 guys who supported him and they created the sr71, the u2, F117 and loads of other legendary planes with a slide rule (literally before computers) and lots of cups of tea in incredibly short timescales.





andrew

10,357 posts

222 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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"i feel the need,
the need for anything to distract people from our reliability, depreciation and profitability issues" smile

LotusOmega375D

9,361 posts

183 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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I thought the whole point of the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works was to operate secretly and under the radar (pun intended). Maybe they’ll be an influx of Chinese potential McLaren customers snooping around the facility?

Numeric

1,499 posts

181 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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LotusOmega375D said:
I thought the whole point of the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works was to operate secretly and under the radar (pun intended). Maybe they’ll be an influx of Chinese potential McLaren customers snooping around the facility?
While secrecy was a given, almost more important was the ability within a deliberately small project team to create incredible performance machines, but perhaps more impressive than the performance achieved was the speed of development. Under Kelly Johnson things happened so quickly as to leave me in utter admiration and amazement while solving immense technical issues.

In automotive terms think AMG and M, both offshoot areas that really pushed boundaries, but then frankly sold out once a boot spoiler gave you the right to tack an AMG or M badge on a 1.8 diesel (though thankfully they both still produce amazing machines). Maybe someone with a much better knowledge of the aero industry can tell whether the Skunk works is now more of a marketing mantra or is still filled with small super agile teams doing the amazing and seemingly impossible?

By the way the LA speed story is always worth a listen - it sort of sums up for me what the Skunk works did.

ManyMotors

1,103 posts

128 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Why would Lockheed choose Mclaren? And wouldn't what Lockheed has be kept to themselves instead of sharing it with an entity in Woking? Maybe all of this is part of Mclaren's death gurgle, which is sad. This all doesn't make much sense.