Fastest car around corners?
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That you have driven?
That felt controllable/predictable and safe?
I.e. i know some cars with wide tyres could stick to the road like glue on a dry day but if you cant feel whats happening or dont trust it wont lose control then i cant imagine you will be confident enough to speed up.
Ive drove a mk7 fiesta st which stuck to the road very well aswell as providing predictability, you knew what it was going to do it was phenominal round a roundabout.
That felt controllable/predictable and safe?
I.e. i know some cars with wide tyres could stick to the road like glue on a dry day but if you cant feel whats happening or dont trust it wont lose control then i cant imagine you will be confident enough to speed up.
Ive drove a mk7 fiesta st which stuck to the road very well aswell as providing predictability, you knew what it was going to do it was phenominal round a roundabout.
My Spire GT3 Sports 1000 race car. In my opinion the most agile and fastest cornering car available before you go into stuff with deliberate aero and slicks.
Runs a standard 2008-2016 cbr1000rr engine. 170hp at the wheels, no wings or diffusers allowed, Yokohama a048 tyres (cut semi slick control tyre) although switching to nankang AR1 for 2023 onwards. 580kg Inc driver.
https://youtu.be/iwKGq7fgwYc
https://youtu.be/HL5pAciBDXk
https://www.750mc.co.uk/formulae/sports1000.htm
Runs a standard 2008-2016 cbr1000rr engine. 170hp at the wheels, no wings or diffusers allowed, Yokohama a048 tyres (cut semi slick control tyre) although switching to nankang AR1 for 2023 onwards. 580kg Inc driver.
https://youtu.be/iwKGq7fgwYc
https://youtu.be/HL5pAciBDXk
https://www.750mc.co.uk/formulae/sports1000.htm
inline6bmwfan said:
That you have driven?
That felt controllable/predictable and safe?
I.e. i know some cars with wide tyres could stick to the road like glue on a dry day but if you cant feel whats happening or dont trust it wont lose control then i cant imagine you will be confident enough to speed up.
Ive drove a mk7 fiesta st which stuck to the road very well aswell as providing predictability, you knew what it was going to do it was phenominal round a roundabout.
Palmersport F3000 on slicks in dry but relative cold (eg 10⁰C) weather.That felt controllable/predictable and safe?
I.e. i know some cars with wide tyres could stick to the road like glue on a dry day but if you cant feel whats happening or dont trust it wont lose control then i cant imagine you will be confident enough to speed up.
Ive drove a mk7 fiesta st which stuck to the road very well aswell as providing predictability, you knew what it was going to do it was phenominal round a roundabout.
The tyres are so soft, they behave like quali tyres.
Road car? Elise S1 Sport 160.
I've driven wings-and-slicks hillclimb single seaters which have absolutely mnonumental grip aroiund corners, even compared to circuit racing single-seaters ('cos you're not so bothered about aero drag limiting your top speed), but obviously they're not a fair comparison.
The Elise is still in a sweet spot of weight vs. unsprung weight vs.,damping, with current levels of passive damper technology.
Very lightweight cars like Locaterfields are good, but sprung:unsprung weight ratio starts to work very noticeably against them, even with the best available (and best calibrated) dampers that money can buy, whereas stuff that's much heavier than the Elise pays a price for its weight.
The best Locaterfield type I've driven was my old Westfield FW400, followed by my current Sylva (J15). They're good, and more predictable than the Elise when they do break away, but on most public roads their actual levels of grip are not quite as good. Despite their reputation, Caterhams are almost comically bad on anything but the smoothest tarmac, because of their archaic (and badlly developed) beam rear axles: they're the only cars I know that play hopscotch on corners.
The Caterhams CSR will undoubtedly be better, but I've yet to experience that.
I've driven wings-and-slicks hillclimb single seaters which have absolutely mnonumental grip aroiund corners, even compared to circuit racing single-seaters ('cos you're not so bothered about aero drag limiting your top speed), but obviously they're not a fair comparison.
The Elise is still in a sweet spot of weight vs. unsprung weight vs.,damping, with current levels of passive damper technology.
Very lightweight cars like Locaterfields are good, but sprung:unsprung weight ratio starts to work very noticeably against them, even with the best available (and best calibrated) dampers that money can buy, whereas stuff that's much heavier than the Elise pays a price for its weight.
The best Locaterfield type I've driven was my old Westfield FW400, followed by my current Sylva (J15). They're good, and more predictable than the Elise when they do break away, but on most public roads their actual levels of grip are not quite as good. Despite their reputation, Caterhams are almost comically bad on anything but the smoothest tarmac, because of their archaic (and badlly developed) beam rear axles: they're the only cars I know that play hopscotch on corners.
The Caterhams CSR will undoubtedly be better, but I've yet to experience that.
VX220 was the only one of my cars that I never overcooked it at some point, it was easy to drive slowly or quickly with confidence.
My Alfa 147 understeered predictably but cornered well on throttle, so I learned to drive around it. while not in the same league it was predictable and gradual. Which was rewarding to drive well.
My Alfa 147 understeered predictably but cornered well on throttle, so I learned to drive around it. while not in the same league it was predictable and gradual. Which was rewarding to drive well.
A mate built a Mini years ago. Started off as a Mayfair but had a 1300 engine, the wide wheels and little fat tyres plus suspension that looked like it had about 3mm of travel. It wasn't my thing but the way it changed direction was impressive.
Best I've driven was a customers Legacy turbo way back in the day, had the full Whiteline catalogue thrown at it and rather aggressive geometry set up. It felt like you could put it in to any corner at any speed and when your brain said you were going into the field, you just gave it a bit more lock and it tightened it's line and went round.
Best I've driven was a customers Legacy turbo way back in the day, had the full Whiteline catalogue thrown at it and rather aggressive geometry set up. It felt like you could put it in to any corner at any speed and when your brain said you were going into the field, you just gave it a bit more lock and it tightened it's line and went round.
A Formula Renault. Winged cars (even ones with relatively little downforce) really do force you to recalibrate your senses; I don't think I ever got anywhere near its limits in the brief drive I had.
For normal road cars, constant radium lateral G-force limits are mostly down to the tyres; for example the difference in ultimate cornering speed between my Elise and my wife's Octavia VRS is pretty negligible although obviously the Elise is far faster to adapt to changes in lateral load and can put down power far sooner on corner exit.
For normal road cars, constant radium lateral G-force limits are mostly down to the tyres; for example the difference in ultimate cornering speed between my Elise and my wife's Octavia VRS is pretty negligible although obviously the Elise is far faster to adapt to changes in lateral load and can put down power far sooner on corner exit.
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