RE: Renault 5 Gordini Turbo | The Brave Pill
RE: Renault 5 Gordini Turbo | The Brave Pill
Saturday 14th January 2023

Renault 5 Gordini Turbo | The Brave Pill

Anyone up for adventure with this famous Five?


Well before starting to read many of you are likely to have mouths filled with the bitter taste of anti-climax. The words ‘Renault 5’ and ‘Turbo’ in close proximity to each other will understandably trigger thoughts of the eponymous Renault 5 Turbo. That being, of course, the mad, mid-engined homologation special which, in competition guise, was wrestled to several WRC victories by the mercurial talent of Jean Ragnotti. But the first glance at the images of this week’s Pill shows it isn’t one of them.  

Nope, what you’re looking at here is the 5 Turbo’s front-engined sibling. It’s a turbocharged pioneer in its own right, but one that delivers its boosted urge exclusively through its front wheels and which doesn’t have the weight distribution of a thrown hammer. It’s less thrilling and more sensible than a true 5 Turbo would be, but it also has the merit of being available, restored and seemingly in fine nick. And while the mid-engined Turbos tend to have £POA prices, this one is being offered for an almost affordable almost £23,000. Yes, that’s a lot for a French supermini, but the fact this Gordini is on the cusp of its 40th birthday will also soon spare its owner from the irksome requirement to MOT it or pay vehicle tax.

While discussion of the price may trigger an appropriately French riot in the comments, it is nothing more than a reflection of where the imbalance between supply and demand has left all turbocharged examples of the Renault 5. When Pill featured a naturally aspirated Renault GTA back in November 2021 I dropped a snarky comment about its bargainacious £8,995 price tag making it less than half of what somebody was asking for a Series 2 Renault 5 GT Turbo that was in the Classifieds at the same time. Clearly there are many more people lusting after the once-plentiful hot hatch than the fibreglass French sportscar. And as a first-generation 5 Gordini Turbo our Pill is a fair bit rarer than the Mk2 ‘Supercinque’; does that make it more desirable, too?

The original Renault 5 was probably the most successful after-hours automotive project of all time. It was the work of a designer called Michael Boué, who thought the company could make something more stylish than the boxy, peasant-spec Renault 4 which sat at the bottom of the company’s pricelists. He started working on a far sleeker small car in the late ‘sixties, initially sketching period-appropriate bell bottom proportions over the image of a Renault 4 to prove it could use the same mechanical package and rear torsion bar suspension. What became the 5 also had a full-height tailgate and moulded bumpers that were integrated into the bodywork. It looked sleek and modern, pretty much defining what would become the supermini when it went on sale in 1972. Boué died of cancer before his creation was launched, but it would quickly prove a huge success, being France’s most popular car every year between its launch and retirement in 1972. No fewer than 5,471,709 were produced. 

While handsome, the regular 5 was not fast. The entry-level powerplant was the 800cc motor from the Renault 4, with a 1.0-litre option above, with even the bigger engine only making 44hp. In an example of French exceptionalism the engines were fitted in line rather than transversely, and drove a gearbox positioned ahead of the motor, something that always gave what could politely be described as a nose-heavy handling attitude. 

Yet as other manufacturers started to launch faster hatchbacks, most famously the original Golf GTI, so Renault decided to add some more pace. Initially this came with a new 1.4-litre overhead valve engine which made an impressive (for the time) 92hp. This was seriously hot stuff in 1976, with the faster 5 being one of first front-driven cars to be able to dispatch the 0-60mph benchmark in under ten seconds, although only just. The hotter 5 was sold with Alpine branding in Europe, but had to be renamed in Blighty as Chrysler still owned the Alpine name over here. So Renault reached slightly further into its drawer of performance badges and called it the 5 Gordini.

But the power wars kept rolling, and by the early ‘80s Renault decided it needed to add some more oomph. The answer was to add turbocharging - something the company had pioneered in Formula 1, as well as in the mid-engined 5 Turbo, with a Garrett T3 puffing the output to 110hp, and dropping the 0-60mph time to under nine seconds. It did this without fuel injection, boost added through a carburettor able to handle positive manifold pressures. British magazines praised the performance but were critical of pricing that made the Gordini Turbo more expensive than bigger alternatives. Although frankly, anybody who chose the cheaper but dynamically inept Ford Escort XR3 over one of these got everything they deserved.

The 5 Gordini Turbo’s novelty meant it wasn’t a huge sales hit in the UK. It took the second-generation 5 GT Turbo, which switched to a transverse engine, to really take off. Early 5 survival rates weren’t helped by limited durability and the ease with which it could be persuaded to make engine-popping amounts of power. How Many Left reckons there are just six on the road, with another 16 on SORN.

Our Pill is therefore as rare as steak tartare. Even regular versions of the original 5 are pretty scarce these days, but the Gordini-specific bits are likely close to irreplaceable. Especially parts like our Pill’s spectacular deep-dish three-bolt alloy wheels and its plush velour interior. Most of the soft furnishings look impressively well looked after, although the parcel shelf is suffering from middle-age droop. The pictures do reveal one odd detail, though - a four-speed gearlever. T’internet reckons that all Alpine and Gordini Turbos were five-speeders; it might be that just the selector itself has been replaced.

Although the numberplates are obscured, Enzo the hamster has found the database punch card and deciphered a registration. The MOT history this reveals is both green and minimal. Our Pill shows just two passes, both advisory free, the first in March 2019 and the second - just 29 miles later - last February. Presuming more details haven’t been lost behind a registration change that suggests a long period off the road, one stretching back before the dawn of digital test results. 

The fact our Pill was first registered in September 1983 means it will need another test if sold soon, but after that anniversary clicks around it will become optional. It will also become tax-free at that point, and also exempt from needing to pay to visit a ULEZ zone. Drive into central London every day and those savings over a non-compliant car will soon add up; just over five years to break even has to make it a man maths bargain, right?

Yet even with such savings factored in the strangely specific £22,994 asking price is likely to trigger un débat houleux, the advert helpfully pointing out that it is pretty close to the car’s original price run through an inflation calculator. Yet the asking isn’t outrageous compared to the wider market for such nostalgic neo classics - there’s a 20,000 mile Ford Escort RS1600i currently listed for £58,995. Is anyone else wishing for the combination of a car-sized time machine and a warehouse?


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yme402

Original Poster:

658 posts

132 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Wacky, wonderful, and worth every penny for those alloys on their own.
£58,000 for an Escort RS1600i though, is beyond crazy.

wistec1

800 posts

71 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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In 1983 you could still buy the Sunbeam Lotus which today will still knock this and many a Ford into a cock hat for handling and performance. Brave Pill perhaps yes if not only for the rarity and the person who decides to put thier money on this french oddball.

Venisonpie

4,848 posts

112 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Fabulous but not 22k fabulous.

Skodapondy

535 posts

78 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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The dealer is down the road from me. They get interesting stuff in every so often. expensive but interesting stuff.

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Great little car and far better than anything else offered by others of the time.
This isn't a 'Brave pill though, these are very easy to work on and parts availability is still good .
I'd favour this over any Fred Flintstone rotten Ford any day..

  • Edit, the torsion bars have been replaced in the wrong position, these should be much lower especially the front. Easy to adjust though with WD40 a hammer and 19mm socket.

Edited by Draxindustries1 on Saturday 14th January 05:41


Edited by Draxindustries1 on Saturday 14th January 05:53

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Launched in 1972, sold over 5m and retired in the same year? The showrooms must have been packed.

Nice wheels but that’s where the appeal stops for me. Something about the styling of the Renault 5 has always seemed a bit off for me. Too high sided and not fully cohesive between front & rear.

It’s nice to see a survivor though.

Augustus Windsock

3,796 posts

185 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Oddly enough I’ve looked at this very advert a few times over the last few months
Nice but there are currently a couple of others that are in better condition and less money than this one
And checking some of the car sales sites in France there are a few nice(r) ones there too…
And to add something else, the comment about “ Although frankly, anybody who chose the cheaper but dynamically inept Ford Escort XR3 over one of these got everything they deserved.”
Well, yep, I did, a Prairie Yellow (think: pale custard) XR3 (not an ‘I’) UTL632W. You know, the version with the strange front wheel geometry, it looked ‘knock kneed’
And yes, I do regret choosing that over one of these…

Edited by Augustus Windsock on Saturday 14th January 08:14

wpa1975

14,707 posts

144 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Venisonpie said:
Fabulous but not 22k fabulous.
Agreed

GreatScott2016

2,530 posts

118 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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wpa1975 said:
Agreed
Agreed +2

S600BSB

8,429 posts

136 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Love it. Bargain.

Acorn1

3,559 posts

50 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Huge amount of turbo lag if I recall.

Good fun though.

Firebobby

998 posts

69 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Yep agree with previous posters, I'd take this all day over any "fast Ford" of the day. A damn sight cheaper, and far and away a better drive.

GTEYE

2,488 posts

240 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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For that money, it should at least be sporting its original stripes.

Attention to detail matters, especially on classics.

Like this one:



Edited by GTEYE on Saturday 14th January 08:37

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

240 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Acorn1 said:
Huge amount of turbo lag if I recall.

Good fun though.
Indeed and rather unpredictable all or nothing boost too. Quite a major pain in the rectal area to drive because of it.

On the matter of fun with quick Mk 1 R5s I'll have the non-turbo Gordini instead please.



bennytheball

257 posts

57 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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This is just the best week on PH!

A R5 Gordini Turbo and a Citroen CX Pallas - the perfect (heated and well equipped) two car garage for me.

My Mum had a R5 1.1 TL in the early 80s. It became my first car and I always lusted after the Gordini. The TL was a little slower(!) but I loved it, including an epic drive down to the South of France in the summer of '86 - happy days.

cerb4.5lee

44,765 posts

210 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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I find it strange that I lust after the Renault 5 GT Turbo loads, whereas this does absolutely nothing for me in comparison though. I just can't get on with the way this looks.

MotorSpeak

142 posts

63 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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A very cool car to trundle around in.

Edmundo2

1,441 posts

240 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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I have fond memories of my dad's non turbo Gordini that he owned when I was a kid...Silver with the orange/terracotta interior and a lovely steering wheel from what i remember..

The Gordini font on the cam cover and an Elf sticker conjured up a whiff of French rally stages..

It sounded lovely and seemed to go like stink vs other mates parents dailys at the time..I loved it but it didn't stop my head getting turned everytime a local chap used to pass the house in his bubble arched Mk1 Escort Twin Cam on his way home from work. He lived just around the corner. Two houses down from him there was a chap with an Ascona 400!

I must be getting old...Am I aloud to say "those were the days"?

LotusOmega375D

9,371 posts

183 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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I believe, like the Turbo 2, the interior is the same as the Mk 1 GTL, so shouldn’t be too hard to find bits for. As for the price, I sold my full fat Turbo 2 for about £12,000 in 2008… Ouch.

Edmundo2

1,441 posts

240 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
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Edmundo2 said:
I have fond memories of my dad's non turbo Gordini that he owned when I was a kid...Silver with the orange/terracotta interior and a lovely steering wheel from what i remember..

The Gordini font on the cam cover and an Elf sticker conjured up a whiff of French rally stages..

It sounded lovely and seemed to go like stink vs other mates parents dailys at the time..I loved it but it didn't stop my head getting turned everytime a local chap used to pass the house in his bubble arched Mk1 Escort Twin Cam on his way home from work. He lived just around the corner. Two houses down from him there was a chap with an Ascona 400!

I must be getting old...Am I aloud to say "those were the days"?
Only just spotted the other pictures..It appears they had "Renault" on the engine not "Gordini" but the "Elf" sticker is there!