RE: Super-rare Volkswagen XL1 for sale
RE: Super-rare Volkswagen XL1 for sale
Monday 16th January 2023

Super-rare Volkswagen XL1 for sale

VW doesn't always embrace its wild side, but when it does...


Volkswagen doesn’t get in touch with its wild side all that often, and, even when it does, it can’t help but water down wacky ideas until you’re left with yet another smart-but-soulless niche filler. Take the ID.3, for instance. It was a relatively smart-looking thing in concept form, hinting that VW’s electric future might not be as mundane as we all feared. Oh, how wrong we were.

As it turned out, the ID.3 retained the overall proportions of the concept car, with smaller wheels and woefully unimaginative trim options turning a potential head-turner into just another hatchback. Wind back the clock a decade, however, and VW looked as though it was building up to its own take on BMW’s fledgling electric range spearheaded by the i8 and i3. At the 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show, both manufacturers would unveil sleek hybrid prototypes with tiny turbodiesel engines. BMW’s concept would ultimately release with minor changes as the i8, while a few tweaks would see VW’s prototype hit the market as the XL1.

Like the i8, the XL1 demonstrated that hybrid cars needn’t be as dreary as a Toyota Prius. Firstly, it wasn’t nearly as heavy as we’d come to expect from a hybrid – or what we’ve seen since the rise of the EV. That’s all thanks to a carbon fibre tub, carbon seats and polycarbonate windows, which added up to a kerbweight of just 785kg. Of course, it helps that it’s also absolutely tiny, with the XL1 coming in shorter than a Polo and lower than a Lotus Elise. VW at least managed to squeeze a second seat next to the driver in the XL1, whereas the 2009 1L concept had the passenger sit behind the driver, but they’re staggered like a McLaren F1.

But the XL1 wasn’t designed to be a lightweight sports car, rather a highly efficient hybrid with an aversion to the pumps. At the heart of it is an 800cc, two-cylinder turbodiesel engine producing 50hp, which is paired up with an electric motor for a combined output of 67hp (though the ad claims a punchier 75hp). Not much at all, frankly, with a 0-62mph trundle taking 12.7 seconds. That being said, VW claimed that a top speed of 125mph is possible if all of the car’s power was deployed in one hit which, in a car the size of an almond, sounds like fun.

Of course, we know the XL1 isn’t about performance. The really impressive numbers all relate to efficiency. At the time of its release in 2013, the XL1 had the slipperiest body of any production car with a drag coefficient of 0.189Cd. While the claimed economy of 313mpg may be slightly optimistic – especially as it was measured using the notoriously iffy NEDC system – you can still expect an average run to return a fuel economy in the hundreds. You can’t say that for most of today’s hybrid eco boxes today, can you?

Unfortunately, the XL1 never ended up spawning the sort of cool electric sub-brand the i8 did. A Ducati-engined XL1 Sport was shown in concept form, but was sadly never released. It wasn’t long after when the company was caught up Dieselgate and attention was swiftly turned to fully electric vehicles. But the XL1 legacy lives on with its 200-strong production run. This is one of the later examples that, despite having two previous owners, has only covered 201 miles. These were near-£100,000 cars when new, with this box-fresh example coming in at £95,900. There are certainly faster and more exotic cars around for the money, but few will get engineering buffs weak at the knees quite like the XL1. 


SPECIFICATION | VOLKSWAGEN XL1

Engine: 800cc two-cylinder turbodiesel plus electric motor
Transmission: 7-speed dual clutch automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 67@5,700rpm (combined)
Torque (lb ft): 103@1,750rpm (combined)
MPG: 313 (NEDC)
CO2: 21g/km
Year registered: 2015
Recorded mileage: 201
Price new: £98,500
Yours for: £95,900

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pb8g09

Original Poster:

3,229 posts

99 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Does it respond well to a remap?!

Sulphur Man

301 posts

163 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Terrific car. If I had the funds, I would. And it would be a daily driver.

Also, its not ULEZ-compliant. Ludicrous, however one looks at it.

redroadster

1,886 posts

262 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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I'd have one as a 8th car in a fantasy garage .

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,744 posts

128 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Looking at auction results, these are more like £70k to £80k cars at best.

They never have any mileage on them - I guess they're not the type of thing to take on a Sunday blast. Not sure anyone has really worked out when you would actually use one....

thegreenhell

23,977 posts

249 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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I'd rather have mark 1 Honda Insight.

Deranged Rover

4,668 posts

104 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Now this makes sense to me. Surely the point of hybridisation is precisely to come up with cars like this, not adding a massive motor to an equally massive engine to result in a 0-60 time that slays supercars in package that weighs as much as the moon?


Master Bean

5,222 posts

150 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Looking at auction results, these are more like £70k to £80k cars at best.

They never have any mileage on them - I guess they're not the type of thing to take on a Sunday blast. Not sure anyone has really worked out when you would actually use one....
Every day to work and back. It has a roof and doors and will do 100mph. It is a car.

benjidog

121 posts

91 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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pb8g09 said:
Does it respond well to a remap?!
hehe



PistonTim

729 posts

169 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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What ' cool electric sub-brand' did the i8 spawn exactly? It's an evolutionary dead end looking at the iX etc.

For something like this I'd take a Honda Insight though.

86wasagoodyear

983 posts

126 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Love this, and wish that the regulators had taken a minimal consumption approach to improving economy & emissions that this embodies.

Minimal mass, just enough power, excellent aerodynamics & small frontal area, and minimal interior tech are all so much better as basic car characteristics than the monstrously heavy, over-complex cars & SUVs of today.

martin12345

1,007 posts

119 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Great piece of technology
Not a great car

I wouldn't

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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One of my 'niche' dream cars. I'd have that in a heartbeat

Pflanzgarten

7,597 posts

55 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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PistonTim said:
What ' cool electric sub-brand' did the i8 spawn exactly? It's an evolutionary dead end looking at the iX etc.

For something like this I'd take a Honda Insight though.
It might be dead now but what BMWs i brand became was through a near decade of learning what the customer didn’t want!

Agree about the insight but what a car this is. Fell in love with it the first (& only) time I’ve seen one. Love it.

E63eeeeee...

5,766 posts

79 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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The problem with that dealership is that you don't know if they're coming or going.

Producing hyper-economical cars to only drive them 200 miles in 7 years seems to be missing the point somewhat.

thegreenhell

23,977 posts

249 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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They look interesting and futuristic, but sound like an old cement mixer when the 2 cylinder Diesel fires up.

Dr G

15,971 posts

272 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Not sure anyone has really worked out when you would actually use one....
I think you "use" them to fill garage spaces in the collection of hopeless, monied VW nerds.

I fulfil all of those criteria except the "monied" part, as if I was in the position to burn cash on stupid cars I'd have an XL1 above most anything else in that dealer's stock.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Ambitious. The last one I saw didn't meet reserve, think it was bid upto about 60k.

JerryF

327 posts

204 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Another awful VAG product!

Jeremy-57bxb

120 posts

96 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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They had one of these in the VW garage at Coulsden about 10 years ago, so I took my then 9 year old son to have a good look at it. Fascinating car - ahead of its time, and would be a real head-turner to drive. But severely compromised. One for the collectors of rare VWs only.

Iamnotkloot

1,907 posts

177 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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thegreenhell said:
I'd rather have mark 1 Honda Insight.
My thoughts too