RE: Did TVR save the best for last? | PH Video
RE: Did TVR save the best for last? | PH Video
Monday 23rd January 2023

Did TVR save the best for last? | PH Video

The Sagaris was wild-looking, but developed with newcomers in mind. Two decades later, we sent one along...


I’ve got something to admit and, as someone representing the PH smiley, it’s not one I’m all that proud of. So, here goes nothing: I have never driven a TVR. Understandable, perhaps, given the firm hasn't launched a new product in nearly 20 years, but unacceptable too given that PH and TVR are intrinsically linked. So with 2023 marking our 25th anniversary (you may have heard), now seems like the perfect time to finally sample Blackpool’s finest. The car kind, that is.

Of course, it’s been close to six years since the Gordon Murray-designed Griffith first appeared, and (ahem) it'll probably be a while yet before the chance to sample a completely new Trevor crops up, so I set about looking for one of the last models to be built before the company fell apart in 2006.

So why a Sagaris? Gloriously ridiculous styling aside, the Sagaris marked a major step change in TVR’s approach. With Peter Wheeler handing ownership of the company over to a 24-year-old Russian businessman in 2004, plans were set in place to make the cars more accessible to drivers while simultaneously seeing to some of the build quality issues. Basically, make them less twitchy at the limit and stop them from leaking. The Sagaris, therefore, was meant as a statement of intent; that TVR could maintain its no-nonsense image – no airbags or driver aids, obviously – while improving the previously questionable fit and finish.

That’s partly why I chose the Sagaris you see here, which is up for sale at HPC Classics on the south coast. Not only does it have a full service history and only two former owners, but it’s managed a hugely impressive 94,000 miles – albeit with a bit of engine work along the way. At £62,990 it’s the cheapest Sagaris currently listed on the classifieds, with lower mileage examples carrying a hefty premium. Some may think 'more miles mean more problems', but we know better. And a day with the Beast of Blackpool only proved further what an utterly superb sports car the Sagaris really is. What might have been, eh? 


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MDL111

Original Poster:

8,919 posts

207 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Probably still the most memorable car I ever drove - and that was only a short test drive at the dealership in London in c. 2006. If I had had enough money I would have placed an order on the spot

matlotus

128 posts

126 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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I’m not suprised it’s made that mileage. It’s only taken 2 engine rebuilds to get there lol.

macky17

2,239 posts

219 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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I've owned a couple of Tuscans but this is the one that got away. Wonderful thing and a nice review. Wish I'd bought one when they were £35k ten years ago.

ColdoRS

1,925 posts

157 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Great video. Great car.

rs mexico

496 posts

246 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Always be a Griff for me.

Andy665

4,189 posts

258 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Design was just too OTT for my tastes but admittedly the beast developed TVR

Billy_Whizzzz

2,640 posts

173 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Good video but can’t get too excited by plastic Trevors. There isn’t a really good looking one, one that’s genuinely well engineered, or one that drives in a really resolved manner that allows a great chassis to be truly exploited with really nuanced feedback, as you get from the best Porsches. Sure I get that they appeal to people that call themselves real men and get exited by loud exhausts and so called lairy handling, but if you’re interested in design, engineering, workmanship or driving something clever and finessed, they have limited appeal.

GreatScott2016

2,558 posts

118 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Good video but can’t get too excited by plastic Trevors. There isn’t a really good looking one, one that’s genuinely well engineered, or one that drives in a really resolved manner that allows a great chassis to be truly exploited with really nuanced feedback, as you get from the best Porsches. Sure I get that they appeal to people that call themselves real men and get exited by loud exhausts and so called lairy handling, but if you’re interested in design, engineering, workmanship or driving something clever and finessed, they have limited appeal.
I get what you say, but that's all part of TVRs appeal. For me, the best looking TVR.



m3jappa

6,950 posts

248 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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I would love a sag i must admit but the prices are just insane, i suppose i do get why they are but its a bitter pill. I remember them being 30-40k at one stage.

I did have a tuscan for 11 years and in the end it was such a good car. It was very very tight after i re bushed, did suspension etc. It was very compliant but still stiff enough to really drive it. It was also very predictable with full sideways on command being easy hehe

The brakes are also interesting, in the 11 years i had it i never once locked the brakes or even came close, probably the best feeling brakes i have used.

Firebobby

1,006 posts

69 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Be still my beating heart! Get ye in my garage..

RichB

56,393 posts

314 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Good video but can’t get too excited by plastic Trevors. There isn’t a really good looking one...
And immediately the rest of your post lost any credibility. hehe

TUS373

5,224 posts

311 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Former Tuscan and Chimaera owner here.

TVR could have sold a lot of the Sagaris. It was the icing on the cake, and the suprise swansong from the company. It was bold, exciting and personally, I think the styling was so ahead, that it still looks great today. It probably is the 'best' TVR of the lot. That is the upside.

Downsides? Well the S6 engine is infamous for problems, probably more so in early cars. The factory denied this strenuously. I know, I met with TVR to discuss. A great unit when it worked, and this particular car...94,000 miles. That is some testament to the counter argument. I would still feel like I'm taking a chance with an S6 and keep a contingency budget for a rebuild and upgrades, not that a Tuscan/T350 or Sagaris needs more power.

The increase in the values is insane to me. I know there is the historical aspect for having a rare and special TVR model. I get that. But when the recipe for a Sagaris is compared to a Tuscan, or even a Chimaera, the extra money is difficult to justify. Newcomers will happily pay upwards of £60k for one, but not me. Not when I bought a newish Tuscan for half of that. Good luck though to those that would spend that kind of money.....you must really want one rather than use that budget for something newer, more advanced, better driving. Each to their own.

DeejRC

9,665 posts

112 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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The Sagaris was always …irritating.
I don’t think I actually like the car that much when I drove it initially. The steering was too light, the engine lacked the low down grunt of the Griff and its roof didn’t come off. It irritated me so much that I ordered one! It irritated its way under my skin.
I put 24,000 miles on mine in 18months as I recall. Even with the amount of time she was back at the dealers having the cooling sorted. Again.

350Matt

3,911 posts

309 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Nice video
it'd be good to see some other models covered too
the Griff and Cerbera I'd say

great cars and nothing like it around today
I've had 3 TVR's and loved them all very much a life affirming expierence

Black S2K

1,926 posts

279 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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m3jappa said:
I would love a sag i must admit but the prices are just insane, i suppose i do get why they are but its a bitter pill. I remember them being 30-40k at one stage.

I did have a tuscan for 11 years and in the end it was such a good car. It was very very tight after i re bushed, did suspension etc. It was very compliant but still stiff enough to really drive it. It was also very predictable with full sideways on command being easy hehe

The brakes are also interesting, in the 11 years i had it i never once locked the brakes or even came close, probably the best feeling brakes i have used.
I drove a late Tuscan S and aside from what felt like chassis flex in fast sweepers, it felt pretty well-sorted.

Of course, I bottled it and bought another Honda instead...but sort of one that got way, really.

LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Stunning looking car.

I remember being massively disappointed when they launched the bland-looking Corvette C6 and wishing they looked rather more like this (remedied by the C7).

A lot of money for the potential Bork factor though. A Corvette is much cheaper.

hairykrishna

14,528 posts

233 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Someone has one in the village I used to live in. Looked fantastic and the noise it made as he nailed it going into the NSL just past our house was amazing.

I'd love one but, as with a lot of interesting cars, the price is bonkers.

cerb4.5lee

44,966 posts

210 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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I'm looking forward to watching the video because the Sagaris is my all time favourite TVR. cloud9

I was gutted because I bought my Cerbera back in 2006(had it for 6 years) and then the company went down the toilet the same year! cry

Love them or hate them, the world is a better place because of TVR I reckon.

TUS373

5,224 posts

311 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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It is a while since I saw one of these running wild on the road. Maybe the high price is pushing these to be more of a collector's item than a driver for many of them.

Hats of to the 94,000 miles on this one though. It was used!

TR4man

5,541 posts

204 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
There isn’t a really good looking one.
I’d suggest as a starter, you Google “TVR Griffith 500” and then begin your education.