RE: One-of-10 Lister Knobbly Continuation for sale
RE: One-of-10 Lister Knobbly Continuation for sale
Thursday 9th February 2023

One-of-10 Lister Knobbly Continuation for sale

Track day season is almost upon us; what better way to blow away the cobwebs than a Knobbly?


The continuation sports car is big business nowadays, and it isn’t hard to see why. Who wouldn’t want a sports car that looked how sports cars used to look, but built to modern tolerances and with an OEM seal of approval? It’s little wonder that continuation cars from Jaguar and Aston Martin sold as fast as they did. It was equally unsurprising that some also saw them as not quite cricket, building iconic cars again 50 years after they went out of production. But anyone who got a brand-new DB4 for their millions probably wasn’t too fussed.

It was 10 years ago that the great Lister comeback was announced, bringing together the three companies using the name - Lister Storm, Brian Lister Light Engineering and George Lister Engineering of Cambridge - to resurrect the Knobbly under one banner. Probably Lister’s most famous car (if you aren’t as obsessed with 90’s GT racing as this writer and once followed Newcastle because of the Storm sponsorship), the Knobbly was a darling of the 50s’ sportscar scene. It was powered by the glorious Jaguar XK straight six, it looked like nothing else on the grid even when seemingly no two cars were made the same, and it was driven by top chaps like Stirling Moss, Ivor Bueb and Innes Ireland. The Lister Knobbly was everything great about the classic British sports car, and therefore perfect for a continuation model. Especially as the new team, amazingly, could draw on the expertise of some engineers involved more than half a century before.

The 60th-anniversary continuation Knobblys were launched in 2015, faithful to the first down to the using the original jigs and employing points ignition and a dynamo instead of an alternator. All were built with motorsport in mind, completed in Cambridgeshire to FIA Appendix K race regs and with the all-important Historic Technical Passport, but could be made road legal as well. So, just like the old days, buyers could - in theory - drive it to a race weekend and home again. But gentleman racers probably don’t travel so light anymore.

As a road car, the Knobbly was nothing if not visceral, as Dan P found out back in 2019. A lot of power, not very much weight, crossply tyres and not a single assist - not even brake servo - saw to that. But as the antidote to modern motoring, where the driver must concentrate on the conditions and focus on every input, the Knobbly knew no equal. That it also sounded utterly superb and looked incredible, all these decades later, only made the Lister more compelling.

Just 10 Knobbly were to be produced, making this one extremely rare. Finished in the trademark Lister colours of green with a yellow stripe, it looks brand new because it almost is: finished in 2021 (one way to celebrate end-of-lockdown freedom), chassis BHL169C has fewer than 400 miles on it. It comes with the Public Road Drivers Pack, boasting such luxuries as a padded dashboard, mirrors and foglights, for use away from Britain’s circuits though, as the advert states, ‘it is on track where the car is truly at home’.

And what a way to arrive at the paddock this would be. Fast, too, with far more than 300hp moving substantially less than a tonne. Presumably a new owner would just have to hope for some leniency when it comes to oversteer, as none of the Dunlops look especially grippy. But it promises the kind of sensory overload and satisfaction that precious few new cars can match, and certainly not those with such a relatively low power output. And the best bit? Where those continuation E-Types and DB Astons cost millions, the rarer Lister is available for £425,000. Hardly a Caterham alternative, sure, but for a box-fresh historic race car with all the right paperwork and IVA approval, the Lister won’t be the most expensive one out there. See you at Goodwood…


See the original advert here

 

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Gecko1978

Original Poster:

12,302 posts

187 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Did someone buy this do one road trip and think nah not for me. I guess it's like one man buying an old 3 series an making it a track car in his shed and another man with millions just buys this. Both drive to le man's and then get bored.

Terminator X

20,835 posts

234 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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O/T but I have a lot of love for the Lister F Types. The noise!



TX.

philip_stamper

26 posts

130 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Just Wow. What a thing of beauty.

Bencolem

1,188 posts

269 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Matt Bird said:
obsessed with 90’s GT racing as this writer and once followed Newcastle because of the Storm sponsorship
You could have done a spotted on that Lister (I’m with you btw) instead Matt:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11838614

Glad you didn’t though - hate POA’s for Spotteds!

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Bencolem said:
Matt Bird said:
obsessed with 90’s GT racing as this writer and once followed Newcastle because of the Storm sponsorship
You could have done a spotted on that Lister (I’m with you btw) instead Matt:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11838614

Glad you didn’t though - hate POA’s for Spotteds!
Good opportunity to post this then biggrin


Den Den

515 posts

49 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Krikkit said:
Good opportunity to post this then biggrin

What a glorious racket!

Turbobanana

8,493 posts

231 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Article said:
...and it was driven by top chaps like Stirling Moss, Ivor Bueb and Innes Ireland.
All superb drivers, but you forgot the most amazing of all: Archie Scott Brown.

The original disabled racing hero, he was born with no right hand and severely deformed legs due to his mother contracting German measles while pregnant. Multiple operations saw him at least able to walk, and he learned to drive early after his father built him a car to get him more mobile. Once his talent had been spotted, he faced an uphill battle attaining and keeping a racing licence due to the prejudices of others.

Nevertheless, and despite being only 5' 0" tall, he could hurl a Knobbly around better than most and was well known for his car control.

Sadly he died in a Knobbly at Spa in 1958.



Callum43

295 posts

82 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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What great looking cars these were . Just brings back childhood memories of watching Archie Scott Brown at Goodwood and the crowd collectively catching its breath every lap he passed by .
I don’t know whether it’s a good or bad buy but I wish I could own it.

ntiz

2,687 posts

166 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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I would consider this a stonking buy considering you could enter into the most incredible classic races. Goodwood, Spa, Silverstone etc.

Could put yourself at the sharp end as well.

AmyRichardson

1,992 posts

72 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Seems more than a little off that (to make no bones) a replica can get FIA papers to race bona fide 60+ year old cars, even if legitimate historic race cars are highly fettled these days.

It's not just the issue of competitiveness but also, if there are loads (ie. many more than the historic examples) of AMs, MBs, Ferraris and Jags, will there still be grid places for the rarities and oddities, especially at highly commercial events like Goodwood?

Turbobanana

8,493 posts

231 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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AmyRichardson said:
Seems more than a little off that (to make no bones) a replica can get FIA papers to race bona fide 60+ year old cars, even if legitimate historic race cars are highly fettled these days.

It's not just the issue of competitiveness but also, if there are loads (ie. many more than the historic examples) of AMs, MBs, Ferraris and Jags, will there still be grid places for the rarities and oddities, especially at highly commercial events like Goodwood?
I take your point, because I'm a purist and love the history of old cars, but if a grid would otherwise be empty other than a handful of wealthy owners prepared to risk their millions, and can be filled with carefully controlled, faithful replicas, then I'm happy.

I can see why it shouldn't be the other way round, though - the replicas outnumbering the real ones.

Harrypop

2,611 posts

152 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Turbobanana said:
All superb drivers, but you forgot the most amazing of all: Archie Scott Brown.

The original disabled racing hero, he was born with no right hand and severely deformed legs due to his mother contracting German measles while pregnant. Multiple operations saw him at least able to walk, and he learned to drive early after his father built him a car to get him more mobile. Once his talent had been spotted, he faced an uphill battle attaining and keeping a racing licence due to the prejudices of others.

Nevertheless, and despite being only 5' 0" tall, he could hurl a Knobbly around better than most and was well known for his car control.

Sadly he died in a Knobbly at Spa in 1958.


He is the first name on the list drivers mentioned in the advert so he hasn't been overlooked by everyone fortunately.

Dave Hedgehog

16,364 posts

234 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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oh my that is utterly stunning


TheMilkyBarKid

882 posts

59 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Lovely. And over 400 bhp/tonne too, it’d certainly be - ahem - lively for those Sunday drives eek

nismo48

7,160 posts

237 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Utterly amazing and beautiful little thing..
Such presencesmile

MountainsofSussex

448 posts

216 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Turbobanana said:
AmyRichardson said:
Seems more than a little off that (to make no bones) a replica can get FIA papers to race bona fide 60+ year old cars, even if legitimate historic race cars are highly fettled these days.

It's not just the issue of competitiveness but also, if there are loads (ie. many more than the historic examples) of AMs, MBs, Ferraris and Jags, will there still be grid places for the rarities and oddities, especially at highly commercial events like Goodwood?
I take your point, because I'm a purist and love the history of old cars, but if a grid would otherwise be empty other than a handful of wealthy owners prepared to risk their millions, and can be filled with carefully controlled, faithful replicas, then I'm happy.

I can see why it shouldn't be the other way round, though - the replicas outnumbering the real ones.
I'm sure there are plenty of places to play with the continuations, but I thought Goodwood was pretty sniffy about these sort of things and you tend to get invited to come and race only with original cars. Happy to be proved wrong

TheMilkyBarKid

882 posts

59 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Terminator X said:
O/T but I have a lot of love for the Lister F Types. The noise!



TX.
The noise is indeed epic but as the owner of a regular F type that scrapes the sacrificial lip underneath it’s nose on steeper multi storey ramps I’d worry about meeting a speed bump with that super low splitter. yikes

LotusOmega375D

9,397 posts

183 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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MountainsofSussex said:
I'm sure there are plenty of places to play with the continuations, but I thought Goodwood was pretty sniffy about these sort of things and you tend to get invited to come and race only with original cars. Happy to be proved wrong
Sadly this is no longer the case. The Goodwood Revival grids are now riddled with replicas. It used to be genuine cars by invitation only and preferably with documented period Goodwood race history. Nowadays it seems that anything goes.

ntiz

2,687 posts

166 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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MountainsofSussex said:
I'm sure there are plenty of places to play with the continuations, but I thought Goodwood was pretty sniffy about these sort of things and you tend to get invited to come and race only with original cars. Happy to be proved wrong
It was one of these blew through the field from last on the grid couple of years ago.

A friend of my fathers met up with us at the revival a few years ago. He used to prepare these kinds of cars, walking through the pits was eye opening as he explained how many of the cars are not quite what you think.

Like a lot of them didn’t race in period but are road cars that have been built to race spec. Personally I’m fine with that but I think a lot of people don’t realise just how few of the cars are totally 100% what you think. But I think that also comes down to how massively competitive it is now. If you turned up with a totally period correct car as it was the day it raced in the 50s (no doubt a lovely thing) you would be absolutely no where in terms of racing.

I do find Goodwood like to over egg what the cars are and how much they are worth. Like the big claim about the worth of the grid where they had taken the value of a fully original E type with period history then just applied it to all the cars in the field. The 250LM that’s there every year is also a tool room copy of the owners real one. That’s quite well known but only if you take an interest.

There are of course lots of beautiful very real cars out there as well. Have to also remember that they are race cars so lost have been crashed re built had engines blown and replaced not always with the original one etc. lots of triggers broom stuff. Also quite a few have their original engines and other parts in storage with new ones on the car because it would be a shame to lose the originals in a crash.

There is lots of grey, depending on your outlook will decide what you think is acceptable.

At the end of the day it’s about the spectacle and that is absolutely wonderful in my opinion. That includes all classic racing not just Goodwood.

Hatchoo

218 posts

233 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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The panel gaps are terrible!

They ought to be much larger and less regular.