RE: Noble M12: the ultimate budget British supercar?
RE: Noble M12: the ultimate budget British supercar?
Monday 6th March 2023

Noble M12: the ultimate budget British supercar?

Not faultless or for everyone - but an all-time hero in the business of extracting maximum bang for your buck


Welcome, everyone, to the noughties guide for building a supercar on a shoestring budget. First, you’ll need some glass fibre. You can make any shape you like with the stuff and it’s much cheaper than any of that carbon fibre nonsense. Next, you need weld some steel together in the shape of a spaceframe chassis and, finally, find an engine to drop in the middle of it. No need to make your own, that’s a fool’s errand. Instead, you can simply pinch one from something cheap and cheerful like, say, a Ford Mondeo. Follow those steps to a tee, get yourself a whizz at chassis tuning and with a dash of luck you should end up with something that looks a bit like this: a Noble M12.

It's an incredibly simple formula, but a mighty effective one. The standard M12 packed the same 2.5-litre V6 engine as the Mondeo ST200, with a couple of turbochargers slapped on it – resulting in that signature Darth Vader sound. The revised GTO-3 we have here upped the displacement to 3.0 litres and, with it, a power hike from 314hp to 357hp. Hardly gargantuan numbers by today’s standards, but with a kerbweight of just 1,050kg and, apparently, functional aerodynamics, the M12 is able to deliver endless levels of grip without flinching.

That sort of performance does, of course, come at the expense of luxury. A quilted headliner and an Alcantara-wrapped roll cage is about as plush as it gets, and there’s the usual mix of Halfords bits such as the Fast and Furious-style Momo steering wheel. But none of that really matters. The M12’s cabin is all business, and throwing in creature comforts would only weigh it down. Remarkably, the M12 is surprisingly cushy for a stripped-out plastic supercar. Noble did without anti-roll bars on all but the hardcore M400 model, allowing the M12 to ride gracefully over pimply British B roads, rather than crashing over them. It’s surprisingly civilised.

It helps that the owner of this particular car has gone to great lengths to up the rolling refinement, fitting beefier engine mounts and a bigger power steering cooler, all in the name of ironing out some of the, er, quirks low-volume British supercars are famous for. It’s currently up for sale with Hilton and Moss - which has looked after the car for the two previous owners - for £49,995. The dealer says the previous owner upgraded the car in a way that it could be driven to a track day, lapped endlessly and driven home without running into problems. Just the right amount, in other words. 


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Baddie

Original Poster:

807 posts

247 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Drove a 2.5 litre on one of those track days when it was one of 5 to sample, including a Diablo SV and an Exige. Everyone agreed the Noble was a weapon compared with the others, so easy and competent. It was a step up even compared with the Lotus.

Augustus Windsock

3,801 posts

185 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Love these, and always see a touch of Elise / Esprit in the design. Which isn’t a bad thing of course.
For me, the only downside is the lack of stowage space to enable them to be enjoyed on a blast around Europe (I’m sure owners will point out that you can get little stowage bags that Velcro on here and there…?)

Twinair

1,039 posts

172 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Baddie said:
Drove a 2.5 litre on one of those track days when it was one of 5 to sample, including a Diablo SV and an Exige. Everyone agreed the Noble was a weapon compared with the others, so easy and competent. It was a step up even compared with the Lotus.
A friend of mine, pretty handy amateur racer, says much the same. He had one - loved it, and says it’s a proper weapon on track, eminently useable off it.

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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It's a master piece....and i think in todays money amazing value when compared to some of the other prices out there...

i fancy 20 years from now stealing / upgrading old engines from ICE vehicles and building things like this will become a lot more common....

snuffy

13,369 posts

314 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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I had mine for 6 years:

http://www.adrianmugridge.co.uk/m12.htm

I loved it, but the biggest issue was lack of boot space. We like to go away in the UK for a few nights 2 or 3 times a year, and I always wanted to go in it, but the missus wanted to go away in my shopping car, not because she didn't like it (far from it), but because packing was such a hassle. Yes, I know you can get the fitted set of bags (if you can find one that is), but it's still a right faff squeezing it all in the nooks and crannies.

But apart from that, it's a brilliant car.

jayemm89

4,470 posts

160 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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I always thought the Noble M14/15 was one of the great "What ifs" of the motoring world

sjc

16,444 posts

300 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Into my 16th year of ownership ( in fact 18 years over two models) and still love it.It just does everything you want this type of car to do so well.
The older these get,and the further away from the gargantuan stuff built today,the better they get.

Chubbyross

5,003 posts

115 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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I can’t think of a single negative thing to say about this car. For me it’s pretty much perfection in what I’d want in a sports car. Even the keep fit window handles are things of beauty. The only thing I’m confused about is why these aren’t worth five times the money.

I’d have this over a homogeneous hypercar any day.

fruitoftheloon

93 posts

64 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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anonymous said:
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Why the chortle? I take it you don't realise how on so many vehicles, there are often vents, wings and other stuff that doesn't actually produce downforce etc?

sjc

16,444 posts

300 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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snuffy said:
I had mine for 6 years:

http://www.adrianmugridge.co.uk/m12.htm

I loved it, but the biggest issue was lack of boot space. We like to go away in the UK for a few nights 2 or 3 times a year, and I always wanted to go in it, but the missus wanted to go away in my shopping car, not because she didn't like it (far from it), but because packing was such a hassle. Yes, I know you can get the fitted set of bags (if you can find one that is), but it's still a right faff squeezing it all in the nooks and crannies.

But apart from that, it's a brilliant car.
After 18 years I finally cracked it. The packing pouches you can buy for carry on suitcases work brilliantly. Prob not suitable is you’re taking a call gown and dicky bow suit but find otherwise.
Having had the same dilemma as you last year they worked so well I kept the car !

spikyone

1,915 posts

130 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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sjc said:
Into my 16th year of ownership ( in fact 18 years over two models) and still love it.It just does everything you want this type of car to do so well.
The older these get,and the further away from the gargantuan stuff built today,the better they get.
That is stunning, gorgeous colour. cloud9

If I had the space I'd love to have something like the M12. So many of the niche sports cars of that era looked a bit gawky and odd, whereas despite being a little bit parts-bin (Mondeo tail lights to go with the engine!) the Noble looks right and just gives off the aura that it's a cracking thing to drive. That seems to chime with the experience of those that have driven one. A true PH hero car.

buccal

545 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Baddie said:
Drove a 2.5 litre on one of those track days when it was one of 5 to sample, including a Diablo SV and an Exige. Everyone agreed the Noble was a weapon compared with the others, so easy and competent. It was a step up even compared with the Lotus.
I did the same track day although the SV was broken so we had a 360 instead. The noble more than held its own and I also much preferred it to the exige (although I think the exige would have been awesome with a better driver than me).

Made a lovely noise!



griffdude

1,930 posts

278 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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How do these compare with the Mk3 V6 Exige?

Don1

16,846 posts

238 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Quality things - alas the ones I have seen needed tidying, but lovely none the less.

redroadster

1,886 posts

262 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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This car at the time had everyone raving then the design was simply sold of to the states ,I bet it would beat an alpine on track and that's 20 years newer car.

ex vaux dealer

39 posts

278 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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I had one, loved it the performance bargain of the decade. I ordered a 2.5 by the time it turned up it was a 3.0.

I stepped out of a Lotus Esprit V8 into this, tried a Tuscan S thought it would kill me.

Apart from the new Exhaust cracking a couple of times until they worked out the problem it was great.

The next owner still has it on a private plate now, its old plate was KF52UTR.

One of my biggest regrets is selling that car.

snuffy

13,369 posts

314 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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ex vaux dealer said:
I stepped out of a Lotus Esprit V8 into this, tried a Tuscan S thought it would kill me.
So did I. From a Sport 350 to an M12-3, but with the 6 speed box from the 3R.

I also kept having to have the exhaust welded back together everytime it went for a service. In the end a fitted a Rousch one and that sorted it.

Baldchap

9,629 posts

122 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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One car I have always really wanted a drive of but never managed to have one. cry

Lotusgone

1,667 posts

157 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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One hell of a car. Drove one once and it scared me stless.

yme402

664 posts

132 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Stunning, and for the money an absolute steal.