RE: VW officially unveils flagship ID 7
RE: VW officially unveils flagship ID 7
Monday 17th April 2023

VW officially unveils flagship ID 7

Is the new rear-drive electric four-door an antidote to SUV overload?


VW was an earlier adopter of the four-door sort of coupe, sort of saloon thing, with the launch of the Passat CC some 15 years ago now. That became the CC a few years later, then it was replaced by the Arteon. Now VW is taking the bodystyle into the electric era with this, the ID 7.

Previewed earlier this year and launching in Europe by the end of 2023, this will be VW ID’s flagship, sitting above the existing 3, 4, and 5 as the very best an electric VW can be. This means range, and plenty of it, as this is the VW EV designed for long distances in comfort, just the sort of quality a traditional saloon might deliver. The 7 will be the first MEB car to house an 86kWh battery (a 77kWh model, as seen in lots of other IDs, will also be offered), which has the potential to cover more than 400 miles between tedious visits to a charger. 

For now, 'potential' is the key word, even more than usual: ‘according to an initial internal forecast, the ID 7 Pro S with 86 kWh battery (net) will permit ranges of up to approx. 700 km’. Caveats apply, then, though 435 miles - aided by the big battery, higher efficiency motor, and a 0.23Cd drag co-efficient - is encouraging. 200kW charging will be standard with the 86kWh, again the best an ID car can offer at the moment.

VW opted to not confirm powertrain details ahead of the car's global reveal, but the new model will be sold with the newly developed APP550 power unit, it promising 'higher performance combined with improved efficiency'. Though the ID 7 is engineered to accept a dual-motor configuration, the first models are set to be exclusively rear-drive and output 286hp, with up to 405lb ft of torque available. The motor itself benefits from a heavily revised rotor design alongside a new inverter and a thermal management system that can operate without the aid of an electrically driven oil pump. Expect to hear more about that lot in short order, but for now, VW is promising 'superior power development' thanks to the additional torque. 

There are plenty more firsts for the big saloon, too, including an augmented reality head-up display. This might sound like a disaster waiting to happen for anyone who’s interacted with a recent VW interior, but then if what you need is up on the windscreen there might be less chance of distraction from elsewhere. Let’s see. VW says that the AR HUD ‘takes over the job of providing information and projects details such as speed into the close range in front of the driver and interactive information such as turn arrows virtually into the real world well in front of the ID 7.’ Which sounds jolly complex, but probably the same was said about regular head-up displays once upon a time. And for the most part, they’re very handy now. Perhaps augmented reality will be the new normal sooner than we think.

Presumably in response to criticism of screens in early MEB cars, the ID 7 gets a new infotainment system on a 15-inch free-standing touchscreen. Apparently, there’s been some restructuring going on, which includes two permanently visible touch bars and a fixed home button, to make using the functions of the system ‘as simple intuitive and personalisable as possible’. Although it still looks like the silly HVAC sliders are there, so let’s not get too excited just yet. The illuminated dash panel looks nice at least.

All of the MEB cars have been seriously spacious, and the same is almost certain to apply to the ID 7, not least because it’s almost five metres long. At 4,961mm (with a 2,966mm wheelbase), it’s almost 10cm longer than the 4,866mm Arteon, which isn’t a small car. Those in the back get spoilt with lots of legroom and boot space (plus an optional pano roof), while those in the front can have VW’s first Climatronic seats with massage function. Everything is lined up, seemingly, for long distances in a big VW, just as company car drivers and family folk have done for decades in Passats and the like.

The ID 7 is even going to blend into the background like four-door VWs - suave Arteon excepted - often have. Volkswagen says the design is based on ‘flowing, muscular and clearly defined lines’, with ‘powerful and positive tension in the silhouette’, but it’s hard to see quite the same characteristics from here. For all the practical benefits of the shape - look at size of that boot! - the ID.7 would need to be lower and wider to really grab anyone's attention. Perhaps that’ll come with a GTX or similar in time.

With VW predicting that 80 per cent of its sales in Europe will be pure electric as early as 2030, we can surely expect plenty more derivatives of the ID 7 - and new members of the ID family - to arrive pretty soon. For North America and Europe, this will be built at the Emden plant in Germany, with production commencing soon. The launch for here and China will be in the autumn - expect the ID 7 on a company car list not long after.


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fioravanti

Original Poster:

46 posts

173 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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God this is bland.

5lab

1,922 posts

226 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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article said:
electric four-door
article said:
saloon thing
article said:
big saloon
isn't it a 5 door hatchback?

Edited by 5lab on Monday 17th April 13:21

Sulaco

20 posts

56 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Somehow it manages to be incredibly bland and distractingly poorly proportioned at the same time.

It looks too tall from the front and the rear. Everything from the B pillar back looks heavy and ungainly. I think it’s the waist line rise that starts just in front of the rear arch. Looks odd.

Poor effort. Must try harder.

PistonTim

736 posts

169 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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5lab said:
isn't it a 5 door?
Yup - looks like an Insignia too!

ChrisCh86

1,128 posts

74 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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It's still got the stupid capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and still got the hopeless temperature slider.

So it seems that VW aren't interested in listening to their customers.

phil4

1,649 posts

268 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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It looks a bit like the bean counters wanted another SUV so the design team tried as hard as they could do make a saloon thingy within the confines of that SUV requirement.

So now looks as others have said, rather too ungainly to be a sleek saloon, and not quite "SUV enough" to be yet another SUV.

Not something I'd buy as I think it looks pretty naff.

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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They are reversing those in the next gen products and going back to proper buttons and manual climate controls. The ID7 is still part of the first gen wave, the capacitive ‘buttons’ were locked in long ago.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 17th April 13:42

Evil.soup

4,047 posts

235 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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It's not really that far from an SUV though is it. It still has a large rear end, it still sits too high and has that bloated look almost all new EV's seem to have these days, even the apparent "small" ones are fat and over weight.

You have to love how the adverts make these cars look normal size, until you see them next to another car.

Griff_4988

56 posts

293 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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ChrisCh86 said:
It's still got the stupid capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and still got the hopeless temperature slider.

So it seems that VW aren't interested in listening to their customers.
One of the primary reasons I’m not planning to replace my old 2011 Tiguan with a new one is that the current models now have those stupid touch screen controls for the heating, along with capacitive buttons on the steering wheel. As you say #ChrisCh86 they’re still not listening to their customers, so I’m getting something else with proper buttons & switches instead.

I’ve always considered them dangerous in cars, where you have to look down at them to use them. Unfortunately it seems we’re seeing more of this kind of thing from all manufacturers now.

wpa1975

14,704 posts

144 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Sulaco said:
Somehow it manages to be incredibly bland and distractingly poorly proportioned at the same time.

It looks too tall from the front and the rear. Everything from the B pillar back looks heavy and ungainly. I think it’s the waist line rise that starts just in front of the rear arch. Looks odd.

Poor effort. Must try harder.
Agreed

Darnoc95

516 posts

60 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Compared to the fugly Merc EQS & BMW I7 i think it aint that bad imo. Designers hands are tied somewhat now with meeting ever more stringent targets on safety & effiency etc. Its certainly a step in the right direction compared to the ID4/5.

sledge68

878 posts

227 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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That is actually better looking than the ID5, there's one in our car park and i actually had to walk over and have a look at it due to its ugliness.

Vee12V

1,410 posts

190 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Dear lord. They really have lost all inspiration, haven't they. Blander than bland.

MountainsofSussex

441 posts

216 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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PH commentariat: "why is every new car a riding poor handling SUV - give us something lower"
Also PH commentariat: "I can't stand all this over styled aggressive stuff "
Also PH commentariat: "this new sleekish lower slung hatchback thing is boring"

stumpage

2,209 posts

256 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Launch of a new EV.

Slab sided - Yes
Heavy - Yes
LED lights that go all the way across the back and front - Yes
Dull interior that consists of a big ipad and little else - Yes
Has the "Potential" to cover great distance on a charge, but won't - Yes
Some fancy interior lights to try and address the lack of any design thought - Yes

VW have nailed it.

Sulphur Man

301 posts

163 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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If BYD was emblazoned on the front, no one would query it.

Dombilano

1,451 posts

85 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Fell asleep looking at it

kambites

71,511 posts

251 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Personally I think it's a pleasantly handsome, understated-looking car. A breath of fresh air after the ridiculous over-styled dross that the other German companies have been putting out recently.

Bannock

9,782 posts

60 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Amazed at the reaction here.

I like this, it's exactly what I'd want from an EV. Finally, an electrified D-segment car, not an SUV.

It's an electric Passat. Why does everyone demand that it should be exciting and thrilling? Passats, Mondeos, Insignias, Avensiseses, etc - it's not a thrill-a-minute car segment. There are other car segments to go shopping in, if you want to be thrilled. This is just your bog standard family car for the post-2025 era, and should be viewed as such. It looks like it will do that job remarkably well. And it isn't a frikkin' SUV, wooo hooooo.

Edited by Bannock on Monday 17th April 15:33

Olibol

162 posts

115 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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So the Model 3 has been out for five years, and this is the best VW can do? It reminds me of the achingly dull late 80s Passat.