RE: Alpina B6 S (E64) | PH Private Area
RE: Alpina B6 S (E64) | PH Private Area
Thursday 18th May 2023

Alpina B6 S (E64) | PH Private Area

With more torque and much greater rarity value, the B6 is a fine alternative to the BMW M6


We’re used to seeing cars that were once regular sights from the ‘70s and ‘80s now dwindling in number, but howmanyleft says there’s only one Alpina B6 registered today. Is this it? Quite possibly. I don't know whether something's awry with the data but still, there’s no doubting the rarity of this model. Somewhere in the region of 40 Alpina B6 E64s were made, and of those just three were said to be right-hand drive and bound for the UK.

Just look at it, too. There was a time when the E63/ E64 6 Series might have been considered a bit gawky, yet these days it almost looks like a work of art. I say that as someone who had to go all the way to America a few months back to set eyes on an XM in the flesh. I still have nightmares about it and wake up in a cold sweat. Hard to believe that Adrian van Hooydonk, the man who’s ultimately the head of BMW design today, was responsible for the E63 and E64 and signed off the XM. But anyway, let’s not get mired in BMW’s current design philosophy. It's been discussed enough, and I am beginning to feel queasy again.  

The B6’s V8 motor is based on BMW’s N62 V8, but with many changes. Alpina calls its version the H1, and the company went to Steyr to get a bespoke block made for it. Regular Alpina supplier, Mahle, supplied the pistons and it also came with a forged crankshaft. Plus, of course, it has a supercharger – a compact, ASA T1 centrifugal compressor mounted on the right-hand side of the engine. Clearly that differentiated the B6 from the naturally aspirated M6’s mighty S85 V10, but it had the same power (500hp) to begin with and it developed more torque. A lot more, as it happens. It made 516lb ft, which is 132lb ft more than the M6.

That meant the B6 could romp off to 62mph in 4.6 seconds as a coupé, although the heavier convertible tempered that slightly to 4.9 seconds. If you think that’s a bit tardy, then this is the B6 S, introduced in 2008. The S comes with the Type H1/2 engine, which has the same capacity, but, thanks to tweaks to the valve timing and the compressor, came with an extra 30 horsepower and 19 foot-pounds. All in all, that shaved another tenth off the zero-to-sixty-two dash and, flat out, Alpina claims its convertible will crack 194mph.

This example has been with its current owner since 2015. The advert states that the decision to sell it has come ‘after much deliberation,’ and I am not surprised to be honest. It’s the kind of car that would worm its way into most people’s affections, and while it has done 103,000 miles, who cares? That’s what Alpinas are built to do: big miles, often at big speeds. This one’s been to the south of France a number of times, and I bet it was just the ticket for that trip. It looks tidy despite the miles – the stated stone chips and wear to the driver’s seat are to be expected – and it’s not long had a service.

I remember sitting in one of these at the Alpina factory. Well, I say one of these; it was actually a E63 B6 GT3, built for Alpina's return to motorsport after a gap of 20 years. That car really did look the bee’s knees and was designed to compete in the FIA GT3 world championship. It still had the same supercharged 4.4-litre V8 engine found in this road car, producing the same 530hp. The point is, if 530hp was good enough for the GT3 world championship, then it’s a handsome amount in a road car – especially one that's as rare and appealing as this is.


SPECIFICATION | Alpina B6 S (E64)

Engine: 4,398cc, V8, supercharged
Transmission: six-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive 
Power (hp): 530 @ 5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 535 @ 4,250rpm
CO2: N/A
MPG: 22.0
Recorded mileage: 103,000
Year registered: 2008 
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £29,000

See the original advert here

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Ray_Aber

Original Poster:

948 posts

306 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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I'm not a fan of this car in normal guise, but this is smart looking. I think it's the lowered front spoiler which adds some balance to what can look like a chinless visage. Lovely wheels too.

It's not cheap though; when you can get a 2015 M6 for c.£35k - and a lot less miles - that's quite a premium for the Alpina badge.

Firebobby

1,002 posts

69 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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Lovely looking car. I'd chose this over an M6 just for the exclusivity, and if course the extra power. It'd be nice to waft along on a warm summer's evening down to the south of France! Or in my case south of Liverpool....

Leon R

3,909 posts

126 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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This has got to be one of the only instances where the Alpina is more powerful than the M car.

2 GKC

2,315 posts

135 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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Such an awkward design, one of the few BMWs of that time that haven’t got better with age to my eyes. Price is steep given the mileage.

RSTurboPaul

13,122 posts

288 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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Ray_Aber said:
I'm not a fan of this car in normal guise, but this is smart looking. I think it's the lowered front spoiler which adds some balance to what can look like a chinless visage. Lovely wheels too.

It's not cheap though; when you can get a 2015 M6 for c.£35k - and a lot less miles - that's quite a premium for the Alpina badge.
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!

bern

1,400 posts

250 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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I've watched enough M539 YouTube videos to run a mile away from as anything powered by that engine!

Zetec-S

6,920 posts

123 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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Lovely looking car, has aged quite nicely in my view.

The main thing putting me off is the alloys, I fking hate cleaning them at the best of times and those in particular look like a ball ache hehe

Leon R

3,909 posts

126 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Ray_Aber said:
I'm not a fan of this car in normal guise, but this is smart looking. I think it's the lowered front spoiler which adds some balance to what can look like a chinless visage. Lovely wheels too.

It's not cheap though; when you can get a 2015 M6 for c.£35k - and a lot less miles - that's quite a premium for the Alpina badge.
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
A 2015 M6 would be the twin turbo V8 not the V10.

JuiceTerry

145 posts

122 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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I had a 635d convertible in the same colour, it certainly went well after a remap, but it always felt like what it was, a heavy wallowing thing - I got rid when it started to cost money to keep on the road. I get that this would be different again with that engine, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of my list if I had £29k to spend.

RSTurboPaul

13,122 posts

288 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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Leon R said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Ray_Aber said:
I'm not a fan of this car in normal guise, but this is smart looking. I think it's the lowered front spoiler which adds some balance to what can look like a chinless visage. Lovely wheels too.

It's not cheap though; when you can get a 2015 M6 for c.£35k - and a lot less miles - that's quite a premium for the Alpina badge.
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
A 2015 M6 would be the twin turbo V8 not the V10.
Ah, cool, perhaps it is not a simple choice, then!

pSyCoSiS

4,324 posts

235 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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Yes from me. Rarer than the M6, and having owned the M6 last year, this car would be a better daily and easier to live with. Also, better on fuel.

My old man has a 2005 E60 B5 and that's a weapon of a car, especially on full throttle. The low down grunt and torque makes all the difference compared to the V10.

And generally, this is a much more reliable engine and gearbox combo.

1Rb

350 posts

185 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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bern said:
I've watched enough M539 YouTube videos to run a mile away from as anything powered by that engine!
This.

dfisix

57 posts

41 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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I'd vote no to this.

Nice enough, but ultimately just a torquey V8 experience, which is pretty generic at this point what with all the V8s about these days. M6 is something much more special with its V10. Less torquey, but hardly gutless. And then there's the noise and revs.

Both cars come with compromises, but the M6 is surely the more life affirming experience.

samjlevy

284 posts

106 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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The best thing about the M6 was that V10, I wouldn't want a 6 series without it from that year.

Had an E60 M5 and it was probably my favourite car that I've owned, that engine is incredible.

British Beef

2,572 posts

195 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
These Alpina engines have potentially a bigger Bork risk, given the cylinder liners are prone to failing... "M539 restorations" youtube channel shows in very close detail the downsides to this engine, albeit in an Alpina B7, excellent watching, if you like to see the oily bits up close.

He ended up buying low mileage engine, and finding just as big problems with that one, disaster after disaster.......

dfisix

57 posts

41 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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British Beef said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
These Alpina engines have potentially a bigger Bork risk, given the cylinder liners are prone to failing... "M539 restorations" youtube channel shows in very close detail the downsides to this engine, albeit in an Alpina B7, excellent watching, if you like to see the oily bits up close.

He ended up buying low mileage engine, and finding just as big problems with that one, disaster after disaster.......
M539 seems to say the V10 is very reliable so long as the bearings are done.

MyV10BarksAndBites

1,705 posts

79 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Ray_Aber said:
I'm not a fan of this car in normal guise, but this is smart looking. I think it's the lowered front spoiler which adds some balance to what can look like a chinless visage. Lovely wheels too.

It's not cheap though; when you can get a 2015 M6 for c.£35k - and a lot less miles - that's quite a premium for the Alpina badge.
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
NOPE!!!.....

MyV10BarksAndBites

1,705 posts

79 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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dfisix said:
British Beef said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
These Alpina engines have potentially a bigger Bork risk, given the cylinder liners are prone to failing... "M539 restorations" youtube channel shows in very close detail the downsides to this engine, albeit in an Alpina B7, excellent watching, if you like to see the oily bits up close.

He ended up buying low mileage engine, and finding just as big problems with that one, disaster after disaster.......
M539 seems to say the V10 is very reliable so long as the bearings are done.
This!!!

RSTurboPaul

13,122 posts

288 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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MyV10BarksAndBites said:
dfisix said:
British Beef said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Am I right in thinking the V10 has a 20-grand-rebuild Bork risk?

If so, the effectively custom-build engine in the Alpina might be a safer bet, and at (presumably) lower Bork factor!
These Alpina engines have potentially a bigger Bork risk, given the cylinder liners are prone to failing... "M539 restorations" youtube channel shows in very close detail the downsides to this engine, albeit in an Alpina B7, excellent watching, if you like to see the oily bits up close.

He ended up buying low mileage engine, and finding just as big problems with that one, disaster after disaster.......
M539 seems to say the V10 is very reliable so long as the bearings are done.
This!!!
So, er, how much does it cost to get the bearings done on the V10...? lol

And are they replacing with OEM? Or a better/uprated independent design??

dfisix

57 posts

41 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
So, er, how much does it cost to get the bearings done on the V10...? lol

And are they replacing with OEM? Or a better/uprated independent design??
About £2-2.5K. Really not that bad. Buys you, what, 80k miles of usage? 60k at least. Realistically even on a heavily used car you'd only have to get them done twice. For the class of car we are talking, I don't think that prohibitive.