RE: Alpine and Lotus cancel joint EV venture
RE: Alpine and Lotus cancel joint EV venture
Tuesday 23rd May 2023

Alpine and Lotus cancel joint EV venture

It appeared to be a match made in heaven - but the mooted sports car project is no more


In January 2021 we reported that Renault - or more precisely, Alpine - and Lotus were joining forces to produce a new electric sports car platform. It was one of those light-bulb moments; it made total sense. Both companies operate with a similar philosophy – producing small, lightweight sports cars – so why not pool resources and share costs? After all, the next generation of EV sports cars is going to require great dollops of cash to develop, and while Alpine and Lotus might have rich parent companies they are themselves small-scale producers with relatively tight budgets.

Well, in a twist to the tale it seems that the memorandum of understanding (MoU) between them is no more. The first winds of change came on Friday, when Bloomberg put out a story hinting that Renault was, ‘Leaning towards developing the platform for its new Alpine sports car on its own rather than pursuing co-development with Geely’s Lotus Cars’. That story went on to say that Alpine felt it had sufficient in-house expertise and resource to go it alone.

Yesterday this was made official by statements from both companies. Alpine’s read, “Lotus and Alpine have been collaborating on a future EV sports car vision for more than two years, during which time a strong relationship between the two companies has developed. As with any collaboration following an MoU, the outcome was not guaranteed. We have decided not to progress with the joint development of a sports car for Alpine. This is a mutual decision reached amicably and we will continue to discuss other future opportunities.”

Lotus emailed a similar statement to Automotive News Europe yesterday that said, ‘We have decided not to progress with the joint development of a sports car for Alpine. This is a mutual decision reached amicably’. So, taken at face value this was a bilateral decision and there’s no issue between the manufacturers, which has to be good news for all. As Lotus has proved over many, many years, being a low-volume sports car manufacturer is a tough gig.

Alpine’s experience has confirmed that, with comparatively low sales despite its universally applauded A110. Last year it reported a record year after a 33 per cent increase in sales, but that still put the number of new Alpines registered at only 3,546. Fingers crossed both parties flourish, and continue to pursue electric sports cars on their own terms. 


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whp1983

Original Poster:

1,392 posts

169 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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French probably don’t want to cosy up to Chinese too much!

That aside interested to see what comes out of both.

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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whp1983 said:
French probably don’t want to cosy up to Chinese too much!

That aside interested to see what comes out of both.
Yeah, about that... https://www.china-briefing.com/news/france-china-r...

I think you'll find the French are definitely going to cosy up to China a whole lot more in the not too distant future.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,764 posts

128 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Perhaps they felt that the end result would be cars that were too similar, and that everyone would then end up buying the Lotus.

Scott-R

192 posts

135 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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That’s a real shame as I was really looking forward to this. My rough guess was, with their respective expertise and with current battery tech(never mind what would be production ready by 2025), a 1400kg BEV sports car would have been possible, with a solid 200+ miles of range. Hopefully both companies are still able to produce something good. After all the current A110 rose from the ashes of the Renault-Caterham JV!

Macboy

784 posts

235 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Alpine has seen the Lotus EVs and realised that the "less the 3000 kg" goal that Lotus has adopted probably wouldn't deliver a low weight A110 EV replacement.

Olibol

162 posts

115 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Hopefully both have the resources and expertise to progress with their own options. I think Lotus as a sports car manufacturer really depends on them getting something quite transformative into production in the next three years. I hope that can still happen.

Slowlygettingit

946 posts

71 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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sidesauce said:
whp1983 said:
French probably don’t want to cosy up to Chinese too much!

That aside interested to see what comes out of both.
Yeah, about that... https://www.china-briefing.com/news/france-china-r...

I think you'll find the French are definitely going to cosy up to China a whole lot more in the not too distant future.
Gosh - didn’t know geely own 9.7% of Renault as well….

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Slowlygettingit said:
sidesauce said:
whp1983 said:
French probably don’t want to cosy up to Chinese too much!

That aside interested to see what comes out of both.
Yeah, about that... https://www.china-briefing.com/news/france-china-r...

I think you'll find the French are definitely going to cosy up to China a whole lot more in the not too distant future.
Gosh - didn’t know geely own 9.7% of Renault as well….
Which is why when people come on here making arguments against buying Chinese owned brands they don't even realise that in time, buying non-Chinese brands like Renault and Daimler (Geely have owned 9.7% of them since 2018) is still supporting the "evil Chinese regime".

S600BSB

8,467 posts

136 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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sidesauce said:
Which is why when people come on here making arguments against buying Chinese owned brands they don't even realise that in time, buying non-Chinese brands like Renault and Daimler (Geely have owned 9.7% of them since 2018) is still supporting the "evil Chinese regime".
You are right, but it is a real shame because it truly is an evil Chinese regime.

dinkel

27,818 posts

288 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Macboy said:
Alpine has seen the Lotus EVs and realised that the "less the 3000 kg" goal that Lotus has adopted probably wouldn't deliver a low weight A110 EV replacement.
flames

Mouse Rat

2,103 posts

122 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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The world was crying out for a silent and heavy sports car.

Real shame

DMZ

2,114 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Macboy said:
Alpine has seen the Lotus EVs and realised that the "less the 3000 kg" goal that Lotus has adopted probably wouldn't deliver a low weight A110 EV replacement.
You may well be spot on there. Lotus is obviously trying to mimic Porsche now and there is definitely no problem with weight in those offerings. And/or both of them have figured that it can't really be done and will drop the development of the cars.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Scott-R said:
That’s a real shame as I was really looking forward to this. My rough guess was, with their respective expertise and with current battery tech(never mind what would be production ready by 2025), a 1400kg BEV sports car would have been possible, with a solid 200+ miles of range. Hopefully both companies are still able to produce something good. After all the current A110 rose from the ashes of the Renault-Caterham JV!
Lotus can't build a 1400kg petrol car any more never mind a bev.

D4rez

1,668 posts

86 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Mouse Rat said:
The world was crying out for a silent and heavy sports car.

Real shame
They’re both still all in on EVs for their next gen

Frimley111R

19,287 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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D4rez said:
Mouse Rat said:
The world was crying out for a silent and heavy sports car.

Real shame
They’re both still all in on EVs for their next gen
You mean like every other car manufacturer?

Frimley111R

19,287 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Perhaps they felt that the end result would be cars that were too similar, and that everyone would then end up buying the Lotus.
Quite possibly. I guess the other thing is people seeing the Alpine as a Lotus underneath and not really an Alpine product. A bit like the Supra.

ntiz

2,684 posts

166 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Frimley111R said:
D4rez said:
Mouse Rat said:
The world was crying out for a silent and heavy sports car.

Real shame
They’re both still all in on EVs for their next gen
You mean like every other car manufacturer?
I love all of the companies making those kind of announcements.

We have decided to not be regulated out of business and continue manufacturing cars. laugh

GT9

9,029 posts

202 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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ntiz said:
I love all of the companies making those kind of announcements.

We have decided to not be regulated out of business and continue manufacturing cars. laugh
Alternatively, they have seen how simple the EV supply chain is, which, combined with a product development, emission compliance and warranty provision overhead cut in half for the same or higher turnover, means their profitability will vastly improve once they stop selling things that have to burn stuff.
Same applies in most sectors.
There is no long-term commercial future in burning stuff, other than in niche applications.

whp1983

Original Poster:

1,392 posts

169 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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sidesauce said:
Which is why when people come on here making arguments against buying Chinese owned brands they don't even realise that in time, buying non-Chinese brands like Renault and Daimler (Geely have owned 9.7% of them since 2018) is still supporting the "evil Chinese regime".
Are they? Not not listed as shareholding over 1% in top shareholders list? (Bought chunk of Renault Korea though)…. Anyway no doubt they’ll take over world in time!

cerb4.5lee

44,912 posts

210 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Mouse Rat said:
The world was crying out for a silent and heavy sports car.

Real shame
hehe

Being a car fan is definitely going downhill fast I reckon as you say. What have we actually got to look forward to in a world of battery powered cars in fairness? Even the car manufacturers can't get excited about the sporty ones...so what chance do the car enthusiasts have then? It is all very depressing really.