RE: New Fiat Topolino launched
RE: New Fiat Topolino launched
Wednesday 31st May 2023

New Fiat Topolino launched

It's got no doors. That means instant 'want' for Fiat's new Ami-based electric city car


Here’s something cheeky, light-hearted and wholesome – although you’ll be the judge of that, of course. What do you think of the new Fiat Topolino? Kind of sweet, isn’t it? It’s based on the Citroen Ami, which itself brings a splash of colour to city streets, and, like the Ami, the all-electric Topolino is conveniently designated as a quadricycle.

That means it isn’t fast. No, no, no. Power output is limited to just 4kW (5hp) and the top speed must be no more than 28mph. Before you scoff, though, in some European countries that allows 14-year-olds to get behind the wheel and their first taste of freedom. I am all for that. Although the Topolino looks even more like the original Fiat 500 than the current Fiat 500 (click here to read the review of the Abarth 500e), its name is taken from what was one of the smallest cars in the world back in 1936. That original Topolino wasn’t overburdened with power and speed, either. It came with a 569cc, side-valve four-cylinder producing 13hp, which would propel it, eventually, to 53mph.  

Fiat hasn’t said much about this Topolino’s technical specifications, but as it’s based on the Ami, it’s fair to assume the same 5.5kWh battery will be used, giving it a city range of up to 46 miles. And being built for the city means it should equal the Ami’s on-a-dime turning circle of 7.2 metres. If it also matches the Ami's 2.4-metre length you'll be able to nose into small parking spaces as well.

Fiat says the Topolino will ‘make young people fall in love with cars again,’ which would be no bad thing. Apparently it will play ‘a socially active role in promoting electric mobility in cities and a special role in creating a personal mobility solution for the whole family'. Speaking of Fiat’s promotion of electric mobility, the Topolino also fits with its ethos that ‘It's only green when it's green for all’ – meaning an electric option (with a roof) that is open to those on tighter budgets. The only issue as far, as I can see, is that it sounds as if it’s not coming officially to the UK. Bet you’ll see a few imported ones, though, because it’s a car without doors, and those are, more often than not, even cooler to be seen in than a supercar.


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erics

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2,718 posts

240 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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the real question is: how well / easily does it flip on its roof down the Rascasse corner in Monaco?

whereisjulius

2 posts

40 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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I can't wait to rent one of these out and flip it in Monaco!
All jokes aside, it's a much better looker than the Ami and perfect for any European Riviera

steve S owner

99 posts

252 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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I have been in a Citroen Ami. It was dreadful. It was incredibly slow, not just slow, it felt unsafe and in fact felt like I had built it in my shed. The range was not as stated either and add a hill and you would get overtaken by push bikes. Even thinking of crowded cities, and cheap transport I would rather walk with an umbrella.

SweptVolume

1,218 posts

122 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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No mention of how much it weighs and I believe quadracycles are exempt from certain safety tests, so that's a bit concerning, but with such a low top speed, does it really matter?

It's easy to scoff, but this is far more relevant to the modern transport needs of an urban city than just about any other congestion-charge exempt electric car, so I applause FIAT for having a go. Kind of like a G-Wiz that isn't total bum-gravy.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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steve S owner said:
I have been in a Citroen Ami. It was dreadful. It was incredibly slow, not just slow, it felt unsafe and in fact felt like I had built it in my shed. The range was not as stated either and add a hill and you would get overtaken by push bikes. Even thinking of crowded cities, and cheap transport I would rather walk with an umbrella.
Agreed. I thought one would be ideal for the school run and popping to the gym... until I drove one! It was like being shaken around in a tupperware box! The ride is appalling, which makes it very noisy and rattly inside and the 28mph limit means you have folks sitting on your bumper even in a 30mph zone.

If it was 'derestricted' to 33mph and had functioning suspension (it's a Citroen FFS) I would be tempted, but at the moment I'm out, especially given the price.

This looks cool, but isn't going to resolved any of the issues with the vehicle it's based on.

CocoPops

467 posts

260 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Topolino = Topple Over?

Cupramax

11,002 posts

281 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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CocoPops said:
Topolino = Topple Over?
Dont be silly, its Topo, made of lino, cant you see the picture biggrin

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Thats hilarious and rubbish in one fall swoop ....nice work Fiat another reason i would never buy one of your cars ...

gmasterfunk

482 posts

177 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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That "safety" rope though .. 😃

Mark V GTD

3,159 posts

153 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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World war 2 Jeeps had a canvas strap instead of a door too.

BrownEaredDog

1,354 posts

130 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Fiat said:
...the Topolino will ‘make young people fall in love with cars again
No, it just won't.

I'm a petrol/diesel/electric head through and through and love driving anything that has between 2 and 18 wheels. I have four kids, three adults and one nearly there, and the three of them couldn't give a monkey's about cars or owning one despite my vain attempts to sow the seeds of interest in them from day 0.

My oldest is done with her Masters and can't wait to get her motorbike license followed by car; she's the outlier, also amongst her friends. The others are content with Gran Turismo at best. It's the same for a great many of their friends too; a car just isn't something they aspire to own - it's regarded as a useful tool for trips to IKEA and suchlike, and the car-share schemes are perfectly suited to that demographic.

You can't blame them really; extortionate parking fees, maintenance, insurance, taxes and fuel (be it combustible or electric) in the towns and cities[1] make car ownership an extremely unattractive proposition. That horrible little Fiat/Citroën thing isn't going to change anything; if anything they'll take a drive in it and think "what the ****? Cars are rubbish".

ETA - Other perspectives are equally valid of course, the above is purely based on personal experience. I'm interested to hear others' views smile

[1] - I'm in Denmark, but I can't imagine the situation is any different in most western-European countries.


Edited by BrownEaredDog on Wednesday 31st May 17:02

c_henry

61 posts

99 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Love it!

TheMilkyBarKid

878 posts

58 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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SweptVolume said:
No mention of how much it weighs and I believe quadracycles are exempt from certain safety tests, so that's a bit concerning, but with such a low top speed, does it really matter? .
Yeah it still matters - with a 14 year old at the wheel, 500kg of this is still going to do some damage even at 28mph! yikes

ajprice

33,356 posts

225 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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gmasterfunk said:
That "safety" rope though .. ??
Euro NCAP 5 star rated rope.

can't remember

1,170 posts

157 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Any owner of one of these that leaves it overnight in a city should post up pics of what they find left in it in the morning. Assuming it's still there and upright.

C69

1,294 posts

41 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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A nicer front end than the Citroen and Opel versions. I wonder if the Fiat is front-rear symmetrical too?

bloomen

10,085 posts

188 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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SweptVolume said:
No mention of how much it weighs and I believe quadracycles are exempt from certain safety tests, so that's a bit concerning, but with such a low top speed, does it really matter?
I've looked over a few quadricycle type things. I think I'd rather take my chances on a bicycle.

At least I'd have a chance of being thrown through a plate glass window, or bed of spikes, rather than having a bunch of tubing that appears to be from school chairs folding in on me.

andburg

8,734 posts

198 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Sure these would make a much better proposition with 10-12bhp like a cbt legal motorcycle

Silvanus

6,910 posts

52 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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Would work it towns and cities if they weren't full of singal occupant 3 ton SUVs. It's a cool looking thing that could make sense in some places, just not anywhere in the UK.

Numeric

1,499 posts

180 months

Wednesday 31st May 2023
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BrownEaredDog said:
Fiat said:
...the Topolino will ‘make young people fall in love with cars again
No, it just won't.

I'm a petrol/diesel/electric head through and through and love driving anything that has between 2 and 18 wheels. I have four kids, three adults and one nearly there, and the three of them couldn't give a monkey's about cars or owning one despite my vain attempts to sow the seeds of interest in them from day 0.

My oldest is done with her Masters and can't wait to get her motorbike license followed by car; she's the outlier, also amongst her friends. The others are content with Gran Turismo at best. It's the same for a great many of their friends too; a car just isn't something they aspire to own - it's regarded as a useful tool for trips to IKEA and suchlike, and the car-share schemes are perfectly suited to that demographic.

You can't blame them really; extortionate parking fees, maintenance, insurance, taxes and fuel (be it combustible or electric) in the towns and cities[1] make car ownership an extremely unattractive proposition. That horrible little Fiat/Citroën thing isn't going to change anything; if anything they'll take a drive in it and think "what the ****? Cars are rubbish".

ETA - Other perspectives are equally valid of course, the above is purely based on personal experience. I'm interested to hear others' views smile

[1] - I'm in Denmark, but I can't imagine the situation is any different in most western-European countries.


Edited by BrownEaredDog on Wednesday 31st May 17:02
I had a friend who was exactly of this mindset and lived in London - he used to lament my luddite style, though I note he used to use me as his taxi when needs must (remunerated so not taking the Michael!). Then work took him away from the central metropolis and more importantly two children, now he does like his BMW!

I look at my nephew and niece - equally no interest in cars - but please run me here and there is the constant request. My parents used to tell me to get on my bike or take the bus, so the progression to personal transport was entirely logical, my nephew and niece get ferried everywhere - when the ferrying stops will they also seek personal transport?