Dashcam, whose fault?
Discussion
We all like to analyse a good dashcam video and lay the finger of blame.
Anyone got any thoughts on this one?
https://youtu.be/uK5Yyx4tb2c
One of them was me, before anyone asks. Not even going to say 'it's a friend'.
Anyone got any thoughts on this one?
https://youtu.be/uK5Yyx4tb2c
One of them was me, before anyone asks. Not even going to say 'it's a friend'.
EmailAddress said:
Robb F said:
Car on the left 100%
Car on the left is already established on the roundabout though, and lane indication is for guidance only.Personally, I wouldn't have stuck my head there until they had committed to the exit.
Having said that, car on the left is a f
kwit and should have exited.It'll go 50/50.
I probably avoid one of these accidents every couple of months, you simply have to drive hugely defensively on roundabouts, you never know what the other lunatics on the road are going to do.
50/50
Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
RazerSauber said:
The other car, without doubt. Crossed over lanes into camera car.
This is another example of why I never overtake or sit next to anybody on a roundabout. Roundabouts are magic and confusing beings which are designed to bamboozle incompetent motorists.
Technically, the OP crossed over the Nissan's lane. This is another example of why I never overtake or sit next to anybody on a roundabout. Roundabouts are magic and confusing beings which are designed to bamboozle incompetent motorists.
boyse7en said:
50/50
Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
Car in the left would have to change lanes to continue round the roundabout, his lane goes off the roundabout at that exit.Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
Be interesting to know how experienced the driver of the camera car is.
When I find myself in the same position I assume that the person on the left might continue around the roundabout and I make sure I'm sufficiently in front or behind them for me to exit without our paths crossing.
Clearly the left lane led straight onto the exit and was marked in such a way as not to present the driver of the Note with the opportunity to continue around the roundabout, but they did anyway. I always work on the assumption that the other guy is oblivious to my presence, blind and stupid. This philosophy has served me well over the years.
When I find myself in the same position I assume that the person on the left might continue around the roundabout and I make sure I'm sufficiently in front or behind them for me to exit without our paths crossing.
Clearly the left lane led straight onto the exit and was marked in such a way as not to present the driver of the Note with the opportunity to continue around the roundabout, but they did anyway. I always work on the assumption that the other guy is oblivious to my presence, blind and stupid. This philosophy has served me well over the years.
KingNothing said:
boyse7en said:
50/50
Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
Car in the left would have to change lanes to continue round the roundabout, his lane goes off the roundabout at that exit.Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
Could see that was going to happen miles off.
In situations like that you need to either speed up and get past them before you are even near the exit or slow down and don't sit next to them.
Personally if I didn't overtake them on the roundabout I wouldn't even pass them until the road straightened on the dual because no doubt they would swing straight away into lane two and sit there.
In situations like that you need to either speed up and get past them before you are even near the exit or slow down and don't sit next to them.
Personally if I didn't overtake them on the roundabout I wouldn't even pass them until the road straightened on the dual because no doubt they would swing straight away into lane two and sit there.
Blue Oval84 said:
KingNothing said:
boyse7en said:
50/50
Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
Car in the left would have to change lanes to continue round the roundabout, his lane goes off the roundabout at that exit.Legally the car in the left lane can carry on past that exit, but in practice nobody really expects it so you end up with exactly the accident that happened.
Lots of "should haves" - the Nissan should have indicated. The OP should have held back, aware that the Nissan might carry on past the exit. The Nissan would have been better off in the right hand lane. The OP shouldn't have been using the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity.
Its one of those situations where the legal position is different to the "normal practice" that we see on the road every day
OP could have avoided it by maintaining the "safety cell".
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