RE: Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo | The Brave Pill
RE: Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo | The Brave Pill
Saturday 3rd June 2023

Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo | The Brave Pill

Wedge issue: has the Coupe's time come?


The finger of fashion stays fickle even as cars age. One-time street furniture seems to have been lifted high on the tide of ‘unexceptional’ modern classicism, many of the cars that would have barely been worth weighing in for scrap a decade ago are into five figures and still climbing strongly. Conversely, some cars that seemed like nailed-on future classics when they were new are still on the launch pad and waiting for ignition. Okay, for £7,950 our Pill is one of the most expensive Fiat Coupes currently on sale in the country - although the only one in the PH classifieds - but compared to the wider market of nine-grand base Cortinas and the like it looks enticingly priced. 

Maybe the Coupe is just too different, an accusation that has been levelled at it since it first appeared back in 1993. In the early 90s, Fiat was best known for its small, cheap models and the sort of build quality that kept low-rent comedians in material. The Panda, Cinquecento and Uno sold well to those in search of inexpensive, characterful transport - and were actually pretty good to drive. But everything the company attempted above them went down in critical flames: cars like the Tipo, Tempra and even half-decent Croma - cousin to the Alfa Romeo 164 and Saab 9000 - were treated as automotive punchlines in the UK.

The Coupe came as part of what was meant to be a transformative onslaught of new products, being launched just after the first Punto - a road-test darling when it first arrived - and ahead of the larger Bravo/ Brava hatchbacks. The Coupe sat on the already crinkly Tipo platform and would be contract built by Pininfarina, although its styling was actually the work of a young and then barely known Fiat designer called Chris Bangle. (Pininfarina’s own passed-over proposal was later recycled as the Peugeot 406 Coupe.) The Fiat Coupe was widely regarded as being the project that won Bangle his role as BMW’s design boss shortly afterwards.

While the Coupe’s slashed-up styling won plenty of headlines, and a fair few Freddy Kruger references, it also managed a neat conjuror’s trick. The look-at-me detailing of the arch creases, raised rump and separate rear lights successfully distracted from the unlikely proportions bequeathed by the Coupe’s handed-down floorpan. At 2,540mm its wheelbase was identical to that of the boxy Tipo, despite the Coupe’s overall length being nearly 300mm longer, resulting in that gurning front overhang. 

Although the Coupe didn’t reach the UK until 1995, some determined early adopters brought in left-hookers before then. Fiat’s engineers had given the early four-cylinder turbo a standard limited-slip differential to calm power delivery and cut down on torque steer. The 16V Turbo’s sub-7 second 0-60mph time and 140mph top speed comparing well to rivals like the (more expensive) Volkswagen Corrado VR6 and all-wheel driven Vauxhall Calibra Turbo. 

But Fiat wasn’t done yet. In 1996 it upgraded the Coupe to the new five-cylinder engines it had created at considerable expense to power the upper reaches of the Lancia range. This had 20 valves - hence the new name - and although it still displaced 2.0-litres power for the Turbo was increased to 220hp, the top speed rising to 150mph (there was also a naturally aspirated 20V with 147hp.) I got to drive both as a junior road tester, having been too young to experience the 16V, and I remember the new Turbo being impressively disciplined for such a potent front-driver. It was certainly much better lashed-down than the similarly brawny Saab 9-3 Viggen from the same era. 

Our Pill is one of the last 20V Turbo Plus models and was first registered in March 2000. The Plus got no more power, but did get a six-speed gearbox which raised the top speed to 155mph and various trim enhancements. It would have had a list price of £23,000 when it was new, with the advert suggesting it may have had only one owner in all that time. 

Other details are limited, with ‘20V TURBO PLUS’ is the limit of the description, but with the proviso that it has been shot on gravel which is reflecting in the shiny bodywork it looks pretty tidy in the images: there is a hint of the yellowing that all Fiat coupe headlights seem to suffer from, but otherwise it seems fresh considering the age and 129,000 miles. The dashboard shot offers a reminder of the excellent idea that was the full-width body-coloured strip, but also what I first took to be an old-fashioned minicab fare meter, which seems unlikely for something with two doors. Closer inspection suggests it has been spliced into the electrics through a connector under the glovebox and may well be some kind of turbo boost controller; the 20V was known for its tweakability. Answers on a postcard.

Our Pill has disproved many Fiat build quality jokes simply through continued existence, and while the MOT record makes frequent mention of worn brakes, tyres and suspension components there is no hint at all of structural corrosion, which counts as a definite win given the Coupe’s well-documented tendency to rust. The online record does show that it has been off the road between 2019 and its most recent ticket in February this year, though - possibly parked up in a nice, dry garage. 

Despite its lesser-spotted status these days, there still seem to be plenty of Coupes out there. How Many Left reckons there are still 700 taxed and another 1,600 on SORN. Which, if true, means that more than one in every three of the cars originally sold in the UK is still extant - a survival rate that must put every other modern-ish Fiat to shame. Those figures suggest there is still plenty of support and expertise out there, but there will still be an invigorating risk in owning any 23-year-old Fiat.

But with three decades of hindsight, the Coupe is looking like one of the highlights of Chris Bangle’s career. Consider where Alfa Romeo SZ prices were a decade ago versus where they are now and it’s not hard to see a bright future for this compelling oddball. 


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NathanChadwick

Original Poster:

366 posts

71 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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The Tipo was actually very well reviewed at the time, particularly the Sedicivalvole. It also sold rather well in the UK in the pre-Peugeot 306 era; it was also galvanised at a time when very few other cars of its type were.

It’s a pity Fiat only imported 500 Sedicis; now there are less than ten left running.

Taz73

514 posts

42 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Stunning cars, always wanted one but when they were affordable I needed sensible as I had kids, parts availability would worry me but I would love that.

stavr0ss

269 posts

158 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Dunno why but I’d love to have this and a 456 and swap every single badge between the two, just to see the results as well as the reactions. I have an odd sense of humour

coppice

9,736 posts

174 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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The first I ever saw was in the paddock at Cadwell - a red one - and I was enthralled . I can now confess to running my fingers down those achingly sexy headlight covers .The body coloured dash was a very cool touch and a nod to cars like the Alfa Duetto.

Like the 124 Coupe and Spyder (and unlike the ghastly MX5 based remake Spyder) , here was an affordable Italian car whose looks and presence punched a long way above its weight . And yes , to our 2023 eyes the wheels look small , but from a 19993 perspective , maybe our wheels just look absurdly huge ?

So one in yellow please , with that lovely warbling 20v five

Mark_Blanchard

1,044 posts

285 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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I loved the look of these when they were new and they still look good today. Almost bought one 22 years ago but it had engine problems. Bought a Lotus Esprit instead, for the same money.

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Hideous then, equally ugly now. Not at any price.

I’ve owned an SZ so I’m not averse to challenging designs. The proportions on the Coupe are terrible. There’s actual design flair and then there’s something that mimics design flair (and fails). This is definitely in the latter camp.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 3rd June 07:46

s m

24,479 posts

233 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Article author Mike Duff said:
But everything the company attempted above them went down in critical flames: cars like the Tipo…….were treated as automotive punchlines in the UK
Honestly expected better of Mike.

THE BEST hot hatch of the early 90s, a clean sweep in pretty much every motoring mag according to motoring journos was the ………Fiat Tipo 16v

richinlondon

899 posts

152 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Had one from new until 3 years when it was feeling tired. Flawed but brilliant and lovely sound. Buttons fell back in to dashboard, rear screen washer didn’t work on the move cos the put it below not above the screen, and it would devour front tyres ( but they could spin in third on a damp surface!). Remember it being lifted up for tyre change and the front door wouldn’t shut properly which makes you wonder about structural stiffness to say the least.

Very fond memories of driving up to north coast of Scotland when just run in at speeds I wouldn’t do on a track now!

Also, 6’4” mate of mine did manage to get in the back albeit not in the best of comfort…

richinlondon

899 posts

152 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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DrBrule said:
Hideous then, equally ugly now. Not at any price.

I’ve owned an SZ so I’m not averse to challenging designs. The proportions on the Coupe are terrible. There’s actual design flair and then there’s something that mimics design flair (and fails). This is definitely in the latter camp.

Edited by DrBrule on Saturday 3rd June 07:46
Must admit I think the opposite but will say that the body kit does not work

J4CKO

46,933 posts

230 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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I had a Portofino blue one, bought in haste from a dealer and it was a nightmare, largely my own fault and should have walked when I went to pick it up and it had no petrol whatsoever in it, gear knob still missing (was told it would be replaced) and a flat tyre.

They aren’t that sporty, the leather seats which mine had mean you slide around and the handling isn’t the best, plenty fast though.

No desire for another.

rossub

5,989 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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That’s an Apexi AVC-R boost controller.

Excellent bits of kit when fitted correctly and properly mapped in. Cost about £300 before fitting, so not cheap crap.

I have one on my Impreza and it’s been faultless for 17 years.

AC43

13,636 posts

238 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Back in the day, one my mates had one of them another had a Corrado VR6 and I had an S14 200SX.

The Fiat was certainly quick and it made a great noise. Much much better than the rather drone-y Nissan. But it felt a bit plasticky inside. The Nissan's interior was nothing to write home about but was better put together. The Corrado was the nicest place to sit with an even better soundtrack but it was nose heavy compared to the 2.0.

The ideal car would have had the chassis of the 200, the engine from the Fiat and interior from the Corrado.


Slowlygettingit

946 posts

71 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Fawful. If PH run an ugliest car of the last 25 years category this should be on at least 2 of the podium spots if not all 3.

heisthegaffer

4,313 posts

228 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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s m said:
Article author Mike Duff said:
But everything the company attempted above them went down in critical flames: cars like the Tipo…….were treated as automotive punchlines in the UK
Honestly expected better of Mike.

THE BEST hot hatch of the early 90s, a clean sweep in pretty much every motoring mag according to motoring journos was the ………Fiat Tipo 16v
Here, here. The Tipo only came out in 1989 as a brand new chassis, separate sub frames, 100" wheelbase with the Coupe being launched in 93. Hardly going to be 'crinkly' by then and pretty much all the road tests said the coupe was highly competitive even in later road tests in '99.

Also, the 20v Turbos all did 155. The six speed didn't change anything.

Typical Fiat bashing...

ST330

403 posts

41 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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I bought a two year old 14,000 miles 20v turbo in 2000, ran it for three years taking it up to 92,000 miles before I sold it.
It went to Germany with me when I moved in 2001 and was ragged up and down the autobahns. Failed the first MOT with very worn track control arms which I was told we Tipo 16v items. Not really built with 220PS in mind then.
The buttons on the dashboard did their falling in thing as someone has mentioned above. Cambelt change cost just short of 1,600€ back in 2002 and the exhaust manifold would crack if not warmed up fully.

Despite all that, I loved that car. Right place, right time.

Edited by ST330 on Saturday 3rd June 08:59

ballans

939 posts

135 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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I really liked these when new and toyed with getting one for years thereafter. However, I am of the opinion the design hasn’t aged well. I don’t think any of the Bangle designs have. Maybe they need a few more years to mature into full classic status.

Trickytimes

39 posts

218 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Purchased one in 1997 in speed blue. Loved the looks but my god did it cause me some grief. The local Fiat dealer in York ended up buying it back off me as it spent more time with them than it did with me. When it was working I thought it was superb.

cerb4.5lee

44,912 posts

210 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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heisthegaffer said:
s m said:
Article author Mike Duff said:
But everything the company attempted above them went down in critical flames: cars like the Tipo…….were treated as automotive punchlines in the UK
Honestly expected better of Mike.

THE BEST hot hatch of the early 90s, a clean sweep in pretty much every motoring mag according to motoring journos was the ………Fiat Tipo 16v
Here, here. The Tipo only came out in 1989 as a brand new chassis, separate sub frames, 100" wheelbase with the Coupe being launched in 93. Hardly going to be 'crinkly' by then and pretty much all the road tests said the coupe was highly competitive even in later road tests in '99.

Also, the 20v Turbos all did 155. The six speed didn't change anything.

Typical Fiat bashing...
I'm another one who remembers the Tipo doing really well in performance group tests at the time too. I have always had a real soft spot for these as well. I've always liked the colour coded dash in them for some reason.

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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One of my favourite cars. Bought and sold mine three times before finally letting go. Love them. Prefer non kitted versions though

andymc

7,625 posts

237 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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had a broom yellow one, 20v turbo, bough from deepest West Yorkshire, surprisingly ok