RE: Mercedes finishes Mille Miglia on synthetic fuel
RE: Mercedes finishes Mille Miglia on synthetic fuel
Tuesday 20th June 2023

Mercedes finishes Mille Miglia on synthetic fuel

P1 Fuels provides carbon-neutral petrol for classic Benzes as well as pre-war Alfa and Bentley


Another day, another alternative fuel story. But hey, if it can keep some of our favourite old cars on road and in races for the foreseeable future, we’re all for it. The latest comes from P1 Fuels. In a world first, Mercedes-Benz Classic fuelled its Mille Miglia competitors - more than one 300SL Gullwing and a pre-war SSK - with fossil-free, carbon neutral fuel from P1. The ECO100PRO good stuff is described as a ‘drop-in’ alternative, too, meaning no modifications were required to the cars.

It wasn’t just the Mercs, either, even if they’ll inevitably hog the headlines. P1 petrol was also used in Italy by Vintage Bentley in Katarina Kyvalova’s 4.5-litre, the first time a pre-war Bentley had completed the MM on synthetic fuel. Same for the Alfa 6C Gasogene; it first competed in the Mille Miglia in 1933 and was known - get this - ‘for its adaptability to run on solid fuels like charcoal’. Yikes. Back then fuel quality couldn’t always be guaranteed, meaning alternatives were often sought. So as well as being the first pre-war Alfa to run the classic road race on fossil-free fuel, it’s surely the only one – maybe the only car – to have ever been powered by three fuels: petrol, synthetic fuel and coal – although it was actually a combustible produced from coal.

Martin Popilka, CEO of P1 Fuels, said: “What a race. If we have shown anything then it’s a statement on the ease of using synthetic fuels – from modern racers to timeless pre-war cars – if they can do it, so can any other [internal] combustion engine car.

“Partnering with Mercedes-Benz Classic, an OEM with such great heritage in engineering and protecting cars to power them in the future, when the cars crossed the finish line, I had such a great sense of pride and honour that they [Mercedes-Benz Classic] trusted us to deliver for them on such an important endurance race. 

“As I stand here today, I feel like our participation in this year’s Mille Miglia has impacted the future of endurance races and would be pushing what P1 [Fuels] has been dedicated to change for the better; a cleaner and more sustainable option for these historic events, without sacrificing motoring heritage.” Sounds pretty good to us. P1 Fuels will also be at next month’s Festival of Speed, where its fuel will be used to power both an ex-Mansell Williams FW14B and a former Senna McLaren MP4/8, each to be driven by Sebastian Vettel. That ought to be worth a watch…


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V8 FOU

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3,023 posts

177 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Helps to prove the worth of synthetic fuels. Not the total answer, but a great help. Plus more being used should reduce the price. A little

florian

299 posts

304 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Maybe they should use it for Ola's G650. Might have an actual impact on CO2 emissions ...

AmyRichardson

1,990 posts

72 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Probably indicative of the future niches which synthetics will fill.

NGK210

5,052 posts

175 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Excellent news.
More please, so cost/litre can be reduced.

Augustus Windsock

3,799 posts

185 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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I’m surprised this hasn’t been jumped all over by the ‘anything but an EV is evil’ contingent to be honest.
Personally I’m happy that synthetic fuel is proceeding although the price is still prohibitive for many or most users at present but that ‘should’ come down…

cookie1600

2,740 posts

191 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Is this also suitable for older engines that haven't been converted to run 'lead free'?

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Augustus Windsock said:
I’m surprised this hasn’t been jumped all over by the ‘anything but an EV is evil’ contingent to be honest.
Personally I’m happy that synthetic fuel is proceeding although the price is still prohibitive for many or most users at present but that ‘should’ come down…
I think it is generally accepted that if traditional ICE motorsport in the West is to survive then this is the perfect benefactor of synthesise fuels, where a genuine audit trail from true biowaste to alcohol to hydrocarbon is provable.

For wider transport it's not particularly scaleable, nor affordable and still obviously doesn't comply with zero tailpipe emission criteria but these aren't hurdles for motorsport.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Augustus Windsock said:
I’m surprised this hasn’t been jumped all over by the ‘anything but an EV is unrealistic’ contingent to be honest.
EFA

Terminator X

20,779 posts

234 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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The battery only Luddites need to get with the programme. Synth fuel is the future a bit like when cars took over from horses.

TX.

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Terminator X said:
The battery only Luddites need to get with the programme. Synth fuel is the future a bit like when cars took over from horses.

TX.
O think you just need to sober up and go back to primary school. wink

Forget battery EVs for a moment, if that's possible given your total obsession with them. You'll be able to get one eventually but you'll just have to wait in line. Just what on Earth is your reasoning for synthetic fuels being a viable replacement to fossil fuel?

To reiterate, take a break from obsessing about EVs and just explain how synthetic fuels will scale up to replace fossil fuels for your needs and those around you? Because that's what you are talking about and it's the gibbering of an inane fool. biggrin

kambites

71,562 posts

251 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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For the moment I don't really see the point; I'm sure we'll still be able to buy petrol for classics for at least the rest of my life.

Terminator X

20,779 posts

234 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Terminator X said:
The battery only Luddites need to get with the programme. Synth fuel is the future a bit like when cars took over from horses.

TX.
O think you just need to sober up and go back to primary school. wink

Forget battery EVs for a moment, if that's possible given your total obsession with them. You'll be able to get one eventually but you'll just have to wait in line. Just what on Earth is your reasoning for synthetic fuels being a viable replacement to fossil fuel?

To reiterate, take a break from obsessing about EVs and just explain how synthetic fuels will scale up to replace fossil fuels for your needs and those around you? Because that's what you are talking about and it's the gibbering of an inane fool. biggrin
I'm only "obsessed" in the same way you are by telling everyone EV is the only future.

1.5bn cars on the road right now and you can't see any reason for it to scale up?

TX.

Bobby Lee

307 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Terminator X said:
The battery only Luddites need to get with the programme. Synth fuel is the future a bit like when cars took over from horses.

TX.
O think you just need to sober up and go back to primary school. wink

Forget battery EVs for a moment, if that's possible given your total obsession with them. You'll be able to get one eventually but you'll just have to wait in line. Just what on Earth is your reasoning for synthetic fuels being a viable replacement to fossil fuel?

To reiterate, take a break from obsessing about EVs and just explain how synthetic fuels will scale up to replace fossil fuels for your needs and those around you? Because that's what you are talking about and it's the gibbering of an inane fool. biggrin
If we could find a way to harness the power of your 50,000 smug/abusive comments to fuel a car we’d all be set for life.

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Terminator X said:
I'm only "obsessed" in the same way you are by telling everyone EV is the only future.

1.5bn cars on the road right now and you can't see any reason for it to scale up?

TX.
You're very distressed which is understandable but you will get your chance to have an EV so don't panic.

If you can find the evidence that I am saying EV is the only future then dive in but that's merely a figment of your enraged and confused mind as that has never happened, nor will it. Questioning someone for making unfounded, uneducated, incorrect statements is not the same as saying EVs are the only future. It's not a football game for the slow witted.

Nor did I say synthetic fuels are not going to scale up, I am merely asking you to show your workings in your devout and erroneous opinions.

So, how will these fuels scale up to the point that you think they will? Why do you even think these fuels are for you any way?

FaustF

811 posts

184 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Excellent news, part of the holistic solution we need, not the binary electric one we don't need.

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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kambites said:
For the moment I don't really see the point; I'm sure we'll still be able to buy petrol for classics for at least the rest of my life.
Exactly. Petrol isn't the issue. The issue is the ever growing restrictions on where you can burn it. Paying 3x more fuel duty for no good reason doesn't solve that rather big problem. biggrin

GT9

9,028 posts

202 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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Terminator X said:
I'm only "obsessed" in the same way you are by telling everyone EV is the only future.

1.5bn cars on the road right now and you can't see any reason for it to scale up?

TX.
Could it be the 3 million wind turbines that would be needed to to power 1.5 billion cars with e-fuel?

We have just over 10,000 wind turbines is the UK right now.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

80 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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kambites said:
For the moment I don't really see the point; I'm sure we'll still be able to buy petrol for classics for at least the rest of my life.
Nail on the head.
As the number of EV's increases the demand for petrol will drop, making the expensive synthetic fuels pointless.
More than enough petrol will be available to keep 'classics' running for decades.

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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NMNeil said:
kambites said:
For the moment I don't really see the point; I'm sure we'll still be able to buy petrol for classics for at least the rest of my life.
Nail on the head.
As the number of EV's increases the demand for petrol will drop, making the expensive synthetic fuels pointless.
More than enough petrol will be available to keep 'classics' running for decades.
Yup. The key importance of these fuels, as discussed in the other thread, is to try and keep ICE motorsport going and to disarm the growing lobby to end such capitalist profligacy. All we need to do is put one of their stickers in our rear window to appease any loon we may unfortunately cross paths with. biggrin

nismo48

7,131 posts

237 months

Tuesday 20th June 2023
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kambites said:
For the moment I don't really see the point; I'm sure we'll still be able to buy petrol for classics for at least the rest of my life.
beer