RE: Lee Noble's old 944 Turbo | PH Private Area
RE: Lee Noble's old 944 Turbo | PH Private Area
Wednesday 21st June 2023

Lee Noble's old 944 Turbo | PH Private Area

Any transaxle Porsche is a cool old classic now - this 944 Turbo even more than most


For so long the bargain basement option - who can forget the £1,500 Porsche episode of Top Gear? - the transaxle models are now enjoying their moment as bonafide Porsche sports cars. Whether four-cylinder or V8, naturally aspirated or turbocharged, 924 or 928, 944 or 968, all are being appreciated (and valued) as they should be, albeit still without the air-cooled, rear-engined tax.

With good reason, too. The layout meant that era of front-engined, rear-drive Porsche sports car drove brilliantly, and with the larger engines they were pretty fast, too. And while there won’t be many out there that lust after a 968 cabrio, plenty of the transaxle cars - think early 928 in particular - were fantastic-looking Porsches. There’s plenty to recommend all of them.

On the face of it, this is another very nicely presented and very desirable 944 Turbo, but there’s a little more to it than that. Like so many classics, this old Porsche has a story to tell. It was reputedly owned by Lee Noble of Noble Automotive fame, which is quite interesting; nowhere near as interesting, however, as what he did to this car. With another 944 (a Turbo S) in his garage - but damaged beyond economic repair - this Garnet Red car became the recipient of some very desirable donor parts. From the Turbo S this 944 got lighter wheels, adjustable M030 suspension, a limited-slip diff, bigger turbo, larger brakes and improved cooling. Some serious upgrades, basically. That was in addition to some nice cosmetic stuff, too, including new and resprayed panels, electric leather seats and an RS wheel.

It's lived quite a life since 1986, this 944 Turbo, and has accrued something like 170,000 miles in the process. (The exact number isn’t clear, what with a 2013 engine swap and a malfunctioning odo.) Perhaps the most important aspect of its life for anyone looking to buy this Porsche, however, is the love and attention (and money) that’s been lavished on it by the current owner since taking it on in 2019. Indeed, it was to sent to us by them as a potential Brave Pill given what upkeep has cost. Nobody said keeping old Porsches was a cheap hobby, even the four-cylinder ones. So, if you’re sitting comfortably…

We won’t go into all the detail here, because the advert is too nicely written for us to steal its glory. But what we will mention are bills from some of the most renowned Porsche specialists in the country (including Tuthill and RPM) as well as those in bodywork (SGM Racepaint), dynamics (Center Gravity) and upholstery (Aldridge Trimmers). Nothing but the best has sufficed to get this 944 as good as it can be. Looking on the bright side, moreover, while additional bills will certainly follow, a lot here has been sorted in just four years.

Experience suggests it’s always a good ad (and seller) when the less positive points are mentioned as well. For this Turbo it’s stuff like a bit of paint on the headlight covers, the digital clock and the mirror movement. Inconsequential bits, really, and nothing that should detract from the drive of what sounds like a really well-sorted 944.

The asking price is £18,500; the seller reckons that £28,000 has been spent on it in the past decade. And look at where 944s have now reached: immaculate Turbos are anything up to £40k. There are 924 Turbos for sale at thousands more than this. This is never going to be a prize-winning car - its mechanical spec rather precludes that - but for enjoying the very best bits of the 944 package, this Turbo arguably holds even more appeal than most. Just be prepared for some bills, clearly…


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE 944 TURBO

Engine: 2,479cc, four-cyl turbo
Transmission: five-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 255@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 258@4,000rpm
MPG: 25ish
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 1986
Recorded mileage: c. 170,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £18,500

See the original advert here

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pycraft

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1,490 posts

214 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Cue comments about how cheap these used to be - the automotive equivalent of "I remember when all this was fields!"

AmyRichardson

1,990 posts

72 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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pycraft said:
Cue comments about how cheap these used to be - the automotive equivalent of "I remember when all this was fields!"
Tempting as a "and bitter were 2/6 a pint..." comment is, this actually seems remarkable value. Yes, these were once cheap, but in real terms they were never that cheap and leggy/dog-rough if they were.

By the sounds of it there's more work to come, but we probably have to accept that the 944 is now into the realms of the not-so-modern classic and keeping one in really nice, useable condition is going to be a rolling process.

Boom78

1,522 posts

78 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Compared to the crazy prices in the 911 market this 944 turbo looks like a bargain! It’s a handsome car and time has been kind to it.

Turbobanana

8,471 posts

231 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Lovely as it is, I would want a bit more provenance than "a bloke told me it was owned by a chap who built cars" before I advertised it as anything other than a nicely sorted old car.

That said, as others have mentioned, price seems sensible, as long as there's no rot lurking in them thar sills.

birdcage

2,934 posts

235 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to get in touch with LN and ask him although I doubt he's a social media user.

What's the car in the garage behind the Porsche? Ferrari 400?

Taz73

512 posts

42 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Excellent advert and a reminder that there is no such thing as a cheap to own Porsche, in spite of how cheap you can buy them. This does seem very well fettled and easily worth its price, I'd expect many years of motoring without major bills as everything expensive seems sorted.
No where near this league, but I ran a 924 lux as a classic for around 5 years and it was a great fun car to drive, not fast but hugely tactile and fun, a lot of their parts are VW based so a fair bit cheaper than the Porsche parts fitted to the 924S and 944 etc, but it still wasn't that cheap to own, mainly because of its age and age related repairs.

cerb4.5lee

44,906 posts

210 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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The mileage puts me off this, however I do have a real soft spot for front engined Porsches though for sure. This looks nice I reckon.

s m

24,479 posts

233 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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pycraft said:
Cue comments about how cheap these used to be - the automotive equivalent of "I remember when all this was fields!"
Or “nearly 20k for a 4-pot turbo with moon mileage! I can’t get my head round it….. you can get a V8 for less … “

86wasagoodyear

994 posts

126 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Clearly a good example of its kind. Even so for such a thing I'd go for the simplicity of a non-turbo motor.

5lab

1,934 posts

226 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
The mileage puts me off this, however I do have a real soft spot for front engined Porsches though for sure. This looks nice I reckon.
it is 38 years old - so less than 5,000 miles per year. 944s were never really garage queens so there aren't as many low-milage (<50,000 miles) cars out there as there are more special cars of the same era.

I ran a ropey S2 for a couple of years a decade ago, was a nice car. Cost a tenth of this, but at the time you could get a 993 or a nice turbo (like this one) for £10k. "only" doubling in price in the recent crazy years doesn't seem so bad

smilo996

3,856 posts

200 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Neither a 911 or a 928, just a big 924.
Never understood the allure of this VW/Porsche.

Hairymonster

1,678 posts

135 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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That's a lovely car - seems well-priced given the work that's gone into it.

Rumdoodle

2,119 posts

50 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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birdcage said:
What's the car in the garage behind the Porsche? Ferrari 400?
It is.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,764 posts

128 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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5lab said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The mileage puts me off this, however I do have a real soft spot for front engined Porsches though for sure. This looks nice I reckon.
it is 38 years old - so less than 5,000 miles per year. 944s were never really garage queens so there aren't as many low-milage (<50,000 miles) cars out there as there are more special cars of the same era.

I ran a ropey S2 for a couple of years a decade ago, was a nice car. Cost a tenth of this, but at the time you could get a 993 or a nice turbo (like this one) for £10k. "only" doubling in price in the recent crazy years doesn't seem so bad
Agreed it is only 5k miles per year, but it is still 170,000 miles. Cars generally have an inherent life span, bit like humans. Parts are not designed to last forever. Of course you can replace them when they fail, but it does become increasingly expensive. Sure this car has had a lot of work done but everything else is likely to fail sooner or later....

Chasser67

6 posts

73 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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That interior is peak Porsche industrial design.

greenarrow

4,586 posts

147 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Interesting that Lee Noble owned it. I recall an interview in a car magazine during the early 2000s when Lee was quite scathing about 911s. Reckoned his M12/M400 was a much faster car on your average back road and that they were fairly over-rated as only the most skilled owners could get the best from them. Perhaps not a surprise then that he owned a 944 Turbo, which back in the day was considered by many (Tiff Needell being one) to being vastly superior to the 911 on sale at the same time.

I think this is a really well priced classic for what you get. Look at the prices of humble hot hatches from the same era and compare the "as new" prices. The 944 offers good value. Also compare the price of this with a typical Carrera 3.2 from the late 80s. They were a similar price when new I think, but the Carrera now will cost you a lot more. Its a thumbs up from me. I have always had a soft spot for the 944 and the 968 for that matter. The wife and I both fancied the 968 CS, still do.

GreatScott2016

2,543 posts

118 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Inclined to agree. Drove one of these back in the day with PCGB and have fond memories.

ballans

939 posts

135 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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That’s a really nice 944 and very well specd/maintained. If I wasn’t “in between jobs” I would be very tempted.
The only change I would make is insert some nice lurid 80’s style velour into the seats. I always remember that strange chequered pattern they used to have.

ChevronB19

9,178 posts

193 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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GreatScott2016 said:
Inclined to agree. Drove one of these back in the day with PCGB and have fond memories.
Yep, I used to teach on ARDS and experience days - people could get so much out of them, and they handled really well. I only managed to own a 924S, but that was also a great car.

WPA

14,738 posts

144 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Nice car with interesting history however it is still a 27 year old Porsche with moon mileage plus it is not a real S, hard car to value but seems strong money to me.