RE: Carrera GT wins best supercar of the last 25 years
RE: Carrera GT wins best supercar of the last 25 years
Sunday 9th July 2023

Carrera GT wins best supercar of the last 25 years

What else could it be? Sit back, get comfy - and turn up the volume...


There was some debate about whether to include the Porsche Carrera GT in the PH25 best supercar vote. It came perilously close to hypercar in some people’s book. Then there was a question of cost: if there are any left for less than a million quid, we’ve not seen one. Not only would that mean a supercar vote with one car potentially worth ten times that of some others, it made the chance of sourcing one at short notice even harder. Borrowing somebody else’s six-figure supercar is one thing; asking to drive a 20-year-old exotic worth as much as a nice townhouse is quite another. Not even Porsche UK has one. 

But it made the cut, and it was most certainly the right decision. The CGT won at a canter, we found a car with a very generous owner (thank you, Lucas - you’re a hero in more ways than one), the sun shone when needed and we’ve rounded out quite the quintet. Our five-video series of the best cars since 1998, as voted for by you, is complete: Carrera GT, E39 M5, Caterham 620R, GR Yaris and S1 Elise. Appropriately PH-y, no? Should make for quite the group video next month, too.

Just to see a Carrera GT up close is to know that it was a worthy winner of this vote. It’s such a clever piece of design, somehow managing to be attention-grabbing yet quite unassuming; this still isn’t a shouty supercar, but it’s one you can’t draw your eyes away from. It’s smaller and daintier than might be expected, awash with beautiful details and perfect proportions. Similarly, nobody ever talks about a CGT interior much, either, yet it’s a proper treat: the materials are lovely, the gear lever-dominated centre stack is stunning, and the dials are a model of clarity.

But you’re not here to hear about Carrera GT ergonomics. It’s the driving experience (among other things) that almost certainly made the Porsche 980 your PH25 winner and, without wishing to spoil the video, the accolade is richly deserved. Not unlike other cars in this series, the Carrera GT feels just right for how we think of peak analogue supercar in 2023. 

Any more power would have the potential to overwhelm the joy of having a manual gearbox; any less might make it feel a bit old. A carbon tub means it feels super strong and secure, yet it’s also pleasingly compact - three pedals and a stick will always retain a classic feel, too. And while there’s grip and purchase aplenty, this is clearly not a supercar you’re going to liberties with. In what can now be seen as project straddling the modern and traditional eras, Porsche created a masterpiece.

The Carrera GT isn’t perfect, of course - but it’s not far off, either. Regardless of what anybody says, the clutch is fiddly when manoeuvring, but to have such low reciprocating masses when going faster feels an impossibly exciting trade-off that’s more than worth it. And even if maybe it shouldn’t, the fear of its less friendly (and rather infamous) handling characteristics always looms large. For what it’s worth, on the day it felt utterly sensational: an engaging, absorbing, communicative and exhilarating mid-engined Porsche. One powered by an otherworldly feat of internal combustion.

Despite previous experience of a Carrera GT, being reunited with that 5.7-litre V10 is to be enraptured and enthralled all over again. The abiding memory from a day in its company is of an engine that beggared belief. Of course the sound is the thing that’s most obvious (and there's plenty of that in the video, courtesy of an aftermarket exhaust), but there’s also torque, outrageous response and just the most incredible appetite for revs. To have that engine paired with a divine manual gearbox really is an unmitigated pleasure.

That the powertrain comes wrapped up in such a beautiful shape and alongside a driving experience of such rich reward makes the Carrera GT a worthy winner of the PH25 best supercar vote. Should have been no great surprise, really. We have lived through a quarter century of some fantastic cars, and arguably none better than Porsche’s V10 supercar for the 2000s. But we’ll decide that for certain once we've assembled our finalists in a car park somewhere. For now, enjoy the CGT - and pray for your speakers…


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Numeric

Original Poster:

1,499 posts

180 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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I knew the first time I heard the GT I was smitten. And if I save really hard for many years I might, with good luck, be able to afford one of those wooden gear knobs! Sigh!

One odd thing, my partner at the time, a banker, regularly used to go and drive new Porsche models at their launch as a guest of Porsche (she once couldn't be bothered to go and drive the new Turbo Convertible as she had already driven the hardtop - oh to have those choices to make, I'd have sold a kidney) and I was always amazed how easily they would give out the keys to things with huge performance.

But the GT - for that you had to be driven, by some chap called Walter, which with certain high profile incidents later maybe gives an indication of the skill required for this car.

Which makes me lust after it even more, there is something about a spikey car.

Baddie

804 posts

246 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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I can understand why and am happy that it won. I once saw one on a roundabout in London and in the flesh it was lovely, understated yet clearly more than one notch above any other road going Porsche, the sweeping curves of the wings giving it elegance. It’s also beautifully engineered and built.

But I don’t think I lust after one. There are a few cars I like to think I could explore, maybe with time and practice sneak up and peak over their edges, but this scared Walter Rohrl. If it were a person it would have a “look but don’t touch” haughtiness I couldn’t afford. Would love a day out with it, but that would be enough.

Voted for the LFA.

Edited by Baddie on Saturday 8th July 14:12

jason61c

5,978 posts

203 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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The v10 in this must only come second to the LFA v10?

Leins

10,441 posts

177 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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Nice looking car, but I just don’t feel they cut it these days. That engine lacks torque and they can’t put their power down, so would struggle to keep up with a modern hot hatch these days. No thanks!

And yes, I do have extensive experience from seeing one parked at a show

Bright Halo

3,979 posts

264 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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Bit of a dream car for me.
Being the owner of a 986s I like to think they share a bit of the same DNA so I can play at being a GT pilot.

cerb4.5lee

44,574 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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Numeric said:
I knew the first time I heard the GT I was smitten.
Same. It was at FordFair at Silverstone of all places and it was doing a 0 to 60 run down the track. It was revving like mad on the start line and it sounded glorious to my ears. He then blasted down the track which was even better. Plus I love the fact that it has a manual gearbox too.

Like most Porsches I don't actually like the way it looks though, but I can forgive it for that because of the engine and gearbox for sure.


Maccmike8

1,605 posts

83 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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Of that 12 car list I can see why it won. Wouldnt be my 12 car list or winner though.

rasto

2,223 posts

266 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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A worthy winner, such an amazing car. I was lucky to get a passenger ride in one at Dunsfold many moons ago and the sound of that engine cloud9

Nish Gnackers

1,173 posts

70 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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A worthy winner ... if you don't mind including a hypercar in a supercar competition.

GreatScott2016

2,512 posts

117 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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If I'm honest, I'm not a huge fan of the looks but that symphony of noise is intoxicating!

AmyRichardson

1,975 posts

71 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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It was an odd era for supercars simply because the F1 cast such a long shadow; a decade of attempts by Porsche, Ferrari, et al always seemed to fall short. The Carrera and Enzo were really the first to surpass the old Mac.

My memory of the Porsche's in-era reception was that it was deemed a bit underwhelming; generic Porsche blob looks, and the marginal extent to which it was a sharper and more rounded car than the Enzo (and testers disagreed on that) didn't offset the latter's power and visual drama.

cerb4.5lee

44,574 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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AmyRichardson said:
It was an odd era for supercars simply because the F1 cast such a long shadow; a decade of attempts by Porsche, Ferrari, et al always seemed to fall short. The Carrera and Enzo were really the first to surpass the old Mac.

My memory of the Porsche's in-era reception was that it was deemed a bit underwhelming; generic Porsche blob looks, and the marginal extent to which it was a sharper and more rounded car than the Enzo (and testers disagreed on that) didn't offset the latter's power and visual drama.
Porsche have never tried to be really different styling wise have they? Tesla remind me of Porsche in that regard as well, and they have a base design and then everything else has to look like it. I wonder if the perception that german cars are boring actually comes from the way that Porsches look perhaps? They don't like to dare to be different I reckon.

JJJ.

5,545 posts

44 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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I suppose it's no surprise it won. Still, with my spare imaginery million quid the LFA would be in my garage rather than the Carrera GT, no question about it.

Must buy a lottery ticket today...smile

MF35

454 posts

50 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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I voted for it. I started by simply ruling out everything with an auto ... which does tend to thin out the field lol.

I remember seeing one stopped at a traffic light in Dublin years ago. Even at idle, it sounded vicious. I pretended to need to re-tie my shoe, to give myself an excuse to linger, to listen to it while it drive off ...

cerb4.5lee

44,574 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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MF35 said:
I voted for it. I started by simply ruling out everything with an auto ... which does tend to thin out the field lol.

I remember seeing one stopped at a traffic light in Dublin years ago. Even at idle, it sounded vicious. I pretended to need to re-tie my shoe, to give myself an excuse to linger, to listen to it while it drive off ...
I think it is the best sounding engine I've ever heard. I love V8's a hell of a lot and they would usually be my go to noise, but the noise the Carrera GT made just blew me away for sure. cloud9

mikiec

363 posts

115 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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V10, targa, manual. Should be the default supercar formula (v12s are acceptable) but might not to be done again.
Not a big Porsche fan but this is something special

gred

459 posts

198 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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I was wandering through Wandsworth one way system one lunchtime when there was the sound of a CGT engine being blipped - the most epically distinctive sound - in the most unlikely location. I suspect someone had visited a certain local supercar dealer and was on a test drive.

A worthy winner, just for that sound alone.

Isebac

251 posts

67 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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AmyRichardson said:
It was an odd era for supercars simply because the F1 cast such a long shadow; a decade of attempts by Porsche, Ferrari, et al always seemed to fall short. The Carrera and Enzo were really the first to surpass the old Mac.

My memory of the Porsche's in-era reception was that it was deemed a bit underwhelming; generic Porsche blob looks, and the marginal extent to which it was a sharper and more rounded car than the Enzo (and testers disagreed on that) didn't offset the latter's power and visual drama.
If we are talking speed, then the F1 is MUCH faster than either the Carrera GT or the Enzo. The first car to surpass the Mac was the Veyron, and if we are considering Porsche or Ferrari, it's only the next generation - the 918 and the LaFerrari - that did that.

Also I can't remember that Carrera GT ever being regarded as anything other than beautiful. From that generation of cars it was the Enzo that was controversial looking.

GTRene

22,458 posts

253 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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indeed something special, love the sound and the black suits it very well.

saw a few in real life, went to look at a grey example long time ago, just for looks, not the money sadly, but looked at it when new, then heard a lovely V10 sound, on came a black one that was even way more Beautiful by looks and that sound.

and ah, no flywheel? hm, thats why it sounds so bike engine like fast.

and ow, 1 time around here were I live, I was just coming from the GAMMA shop who are next to a double way around my city, and spotted a black carrera GT I was waiting to go right and it went in front of me, I thought this is a once in a lifetime moment :-) so fastly (with my then Hartge Z3 V8 5.0) I went after it, he was in front second lane for the stop lights, I turned down my windows for the sound :-) sadly there was a slow car between us... but once that car was gone, I had the space to get closer, the driver spotted me and floored it, what a glorieus sound and moment :-) made my day.

Red6

654 posts

85 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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A worthy winner. I voted for the Murcielago. Porsche always to seem to produce cars that hit the spot, but this is something else.