RE: Porsche 959 | PH Heroes
RE: Porsche 959 | PH Heroes
Saturday 22nd July 2023

Porsche 959 | PH Heroes

We didn't get to drive the legendary 959 for very long. But we really didn't need to...


It’s now 40 years since Porsche showed its concept for Group B rallying, called the, er, Group B concept. In the finest Porsche tradition, the car that previewed the 959 wasn’t far from reality at all, because they don’t waste time in Stuttgart creating what there’s no intent to manufacture: just three years after that Group B concept, the 959 had won the Dakar rally. And taken second place. The rally series it was designed to compete in may have been doomed, but the 959 was going to race somehow, and it was going to win. The 961 (a 959 for the track) took first place in the IMSA/GTX class at the 1986 Le Mans.

Also in the finest Porsche tradition, the 959 was quite a modest thing for such a groundbreaking supercar. It was wild for something with cues familiar from a contemporary 911, sure, pumped up and hunkered down, but this was the time of the Countach and the F40 and not long before the V12 XJ220 concept. For a while, it felt like the 959 was the forgotten beast of Group B, where everybody remembered the truly crazy homologation specials but not the actual test bed for the all-wheel drive 911 Turbo - which has become perhaps the most complete performance car around - as well as introducing all sorts of tech that we take for granted nowadays. In a fully functioning, properly equipped flagship. Here’s a car with tyre pressure monitoring, adjustable dampers (as part of self-levelling suspension) and variable all-wheel drive, sold at the time as the last Ford Capris. One very important Porsche to revisit, then.

Once we’ve dealt with a bit more history, of course. By the time of the Group B concept, the Porsche 911 had already been around for 20 years; the new car was a demonstration of how far the rear-engined concept could be taken and what could be achieved despite the limitations of the layout. Its success in competition proved the validity for subsequent motorsport applications, and the roadgoing 959’s ability to dumbfound anyone lucky enough to drive it was all the proof Porsche needed to continue down the same path with other production cars. Once these were all made, every 911 Turbo since has been all-wheel drive. The 959 is genesis for the four-wheel steering, carbon ceramic-braked, launch-controlling monsters we call flagship 911s today - quite some lineage.

Of course, it was famously a tech fest back in the 1980s. Perhaps those claims are taken with a pinch of salt nowadays (after all, this was in the time before the Commodore 64), but the old thing does boast a remarkable array of properly advanced features. Consider sequential turbos for a six-cylinder engine before the Japanese made them famous, magnesium alloy wheels that reduce unsprung mass, all-wheel drive that can still send 80 per cent of the power rearwards and automatic ride height lowering to benefit aero - in the 1980s! A drag co-efficient of 0.31, combined with 450hp from the 2,849cc, twin-turbo flat-six, meant a top speed of almost 200mph, back when a 911 Club Sport barely mustered half that output or three-quarters the speed. It wasn’t so much supercar as space travel.

Three and half decades later, a Porsche 959 can still draw a crowd. Parked up at Festival of Speed alongside other Porsche Museum greats and, as we’ve come to expect, not very far from some of the world’s greatest racing cars, the old grey Porsche is the very opposite of ignored. People are still very fond of it, recalling it as a poster car (back when people had posters) and being blown away by the performance stats when getting to 60mph in seven seconds was really fast. Milestone vehicles clearly don’t lose any of their impact, at least not if the adoring Goodwood crowds are anything to go by.

It's a dainty little car these days, though whether that’s indicative of old stuff actually being that small or modern cars being a bit too big isn’t clear. It’s certainly a shock to see a car of this potential boast wheel and tyre dimensions that appear almost supermini sized in 2023: the fronts are 235 section, the rears 255, those famously hollow wheels only 17-inch in diameter. A 450hp 911 of today would not be so modestly shod; given responsibility to drive the 20,000km literal museum piece up the hill, it’s a handy reminder that the old thing won’t be as crazily capable as something brand new.

The interior is a fascinating mismatch of 80s’ 911 - with all the chaos and confusion of a nursery playroom - alongside touches that look remarkably modern, like a dial to adjust the attitude of the suspension and the all-wheel drive system. It feels tough as anything, too, with not a creak or rattle to be heard and that reassuring thunk from the doors. The 959 starts first time on the most innocuous key ever seen, every dial and readout works, the panel gaps are tight, the air con ice cold. Allowing for an awkwardly sited clutch and a wheel in your lap, this million-pound classic is a cinch - handy when flocks of people are watching your every move. The hassle-free hypercar starts here, surely, and Porsche-style user-friendliness has never felt such an asset.

Arguably it’s that vice-free nature - against something like an F40 at least - that’s always made the 959 look like the safe option. But seldom has 450hp felt so fast as when this turbocharged Porsche gets properly on boost. The Goodwood drive, as these things always are, is brief, and as part of a convoy rather than an individual run there’s even less scope for exploration. (Hope you prepared the tiny violins.) When there’s space for a run through second gear, however, it absolutely explodes. 

Back in the day, Porsche claimed the sequential set-up eliminated lag - you can guess the reality - but the 959 is brisk enough even with just one puffing. The second blower doesn’t get to work until more than 4,500rpm, with a switch as smooth as a fumbled baton handover. And if the slight hesitancy doesn’t give the game away, the torrent of speed from there to 7,000rpm confirms it, the 959 rearing up and charging forward with the sort of energy that still qualifies as properly thrilling. This must have felt unhinged in the late 1980s. And therefore absolutely brilliant. Martina Navratilova had one and claimed to have done about 200mph in hers - “that was fun”, she reckoned. From this brief experience, that feels eminently achievable.

In fact, perhaps the more telling endorsement of the 959’s abilities - and its huge significance in the wider story of the supercar - came from elsewhere in the tennis legend’s interview. During that drive that may or may not have hit the hallowed 200, it averaged something like 150mph for two hours. With, seemingly, no complaint at all from driver or machine. You suspect that sort of thing in an F40 wouldn’t have been such a breeze.

And look where the supercar has gone since the 1980s, with the crazy lightweights reserved for the committed few and the segment gradually evolving instead to mimic a template laid down by the Porsche. Through technology (and extensive turbocharging), the supercar that tends to turn up today is one previewed by the Group B project: prodigious power and furiously exciting performance, albeit tamed and exploitable through the very latest in chassis hardware. And, now more than ever, software. 

The build quality, luxurious fit and finish and all-weather approachability are familiar from the 959, too - as is the idea that a supercar can be driven and enjoyed on a regular basis. It's helpful that the car retains the analogue charm of a manual gearbox and proper Porsche steering (there is no PAS), yet it hardly needs them to secure a nailed-on place in the PH Hero Hall of Fame. It is not alone in previewing the future, of course - automotive firsts pop up in all sorts of weird and wonderful places - but precious few performance models can claim to have left such an indelible mark on the history of the supercar. A technological gamechanger, and a glorious one, too. 


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE 959

Engine: 2,849cc, twin-turbo flat six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 450@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 369@5,000rpm
0-62mph: 3.7 seconds
Top speed: 197mph
Weight: 1,450kg
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
On sale: 1986-1993
Price new: £145,000 (1987, £399,000 June 2023)
Price now: £1m+

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FaustF

Original Poster:

810 posts

184 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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For me, this over an F40. Was a poster car and still is to an extent.

Must have been a hell of day Matt!

959

229 posts

222 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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yes

Stuey110x2

98 posts

230 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Thought it was odd that this Porsche Museum car at FOS had a mismatched door when compared to the rest of the paintwork, like it had been removed and left out in the sun for too long. The one on the Cartier lawn actually looked better. Still a wonderful thing!

kambites

71,551 posts

251 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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It's a technical masterpiece and a fascinating piece of history but to my eyes it's an ungainly looking thing even by rear-engined Porsche standards... but then I don't like the styling of the F40 either, so maybe I'm just odd. smile

Pflanzgarten

7,628 posts

55 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Too much overhang, the wheelbase of the 911 underneath it all spoils it.

As a thing though, what it represents, it’s pure history.

Dombilano

1,452 posts

85 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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No power steering in 1.5 tonnes, jesus. Still a hero

Chubbyross

4,998 posts

115 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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kambites said:
It's a technical masterpiece and a fascinating piece of history but to my eyes it's an ungainly looking thing even by rear-engined Porsche standards... but then I don't like the styling of the F40 either, so maybe I'm just odd. smile
I’m with you on both cars there. You have to admire the technology but I’ve just never found the 959 a handsome car.

Turbobanana

8,465 posts

231 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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As an impressionable teenager when this was launched, I did the maths and considered my options and decided this was the only car I'd ever need.

I'm now 54 years old, nothing has changed that view.

Unfortunately I'm a large Euromillions win away from realising my dream.

Taz73

510 posts

42 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Always loved this over the F40, but then I've always been a 911 fan.

all-wheel drive that can still send 80 per cent of the power rearwards,
can a rear engined car actually send any power rearwards? ;-)

What an opportunity you had there to take this for a drive even if it was a procession, still a massive joy no doubt. Lucky you, I doubt you'll ever forget being behind the wheel of such a legend.

DaveMiddleton

241 posts

282 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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I was fortunate enough to be given a ride in a friend's brand new 959 back in the late 1980's in Aberdeen. He was aware I was an out and out Porsche 911 fan (having had 3 at that time). Was only in it for less than an hour but was blown away by the sheer grunt of the 959. Will never forget it.

Nicolas Lazar

214 posts

57 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Not aesthetically pleasant, but what a car in its time! Remember seeing one in Tyrol what must have been a late development vehicle, a few weeks before the official launch. Still remember how it passed my father's Renault R25 Turbo like we were standing still. And I thought we were going fast. LOL. Wonder how it did in the 0-20 traffic light race against the quattro and the then also new Delta HF 4WD. Btw, the C64 came out in 82 or 83. In 87 the 386 was "the" thing; together with the beautiful but application-less (as least on the consumer level) OS/2.

LotusOmega375D

9,377 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Not sure why the article claims that the 959 was launched during the time of the F40. That’s quite wrong. It should be compared to the contemporary 288 GTO, which was the other supercar intended for Group B.

Remember seeing a white 959 taking part in a high end Scottish classic car tour during the 1990s. The occupants were all comfortable and cocooned against the inclement weather, whilst the open classic car drivers were soaked and freezing cold. It was really quick even in atrocious conditions.

Wab1974uk

1,410 posts

57 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Still a good looking car today. Has aged very well.

Always overshadowed by the F40.

GreatScott2016

2,538 posts

118 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Definitely a poster car for me as a kid. Looks oddly proportioned now but what a thing nonetheless.

cerb4.5lee

44,867 posts

210 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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I've never really been a Porsche man(I have always really liked the 928 though), but I do remember at the time not being able to choose what I liked best between this and the F40. What a privilege to get to drive one of these for sure. smokin

Leins

10,470 posts

178 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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The counter-example for anyone who claims a supercar can’t have six cylinders, four seats, 4WD, etc. What a car!

One of these and a RUF CTR for my dream Porsche garage

Slowlygettingit

945 posts

71 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Was there on the Friday and saw it go up the hill a couple of times. We were also in the pits when it returned with Ollie Marrriage behind the wheel. Looked even better on the move.
Great looking car and bored my nephew about the one they used to have in Porsche Sheffield in the 80’s seemingly forever as they couldn’t shift it. Still one of the salesmen let me get in it one Saturday after pestering my dad to go see it.
Agree it’s a bit of a forgotten car - what are they worth now?

Unreal

10,829 posts

55 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Never been a car that I've admired, I think mainly because of the proportions, but each to their own. It was obviously something completely out of the ordinary when it was launched.

PomBstard

7,884 posts

272 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Sublime

A 959 and a 288GTO just need a 928GTS alongside for the complete practical family garage. I would want for nothing else, ever. Might have to lose one of the kids though…

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

153 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Last time these were discussed, there was someone whose father had one new. That’s impressive!!!