RE: Ford Kuga 2.5T | Spotted
RE: Ford Kuga 2.5T | Spotted
Monday 31st July 2023

Ford Kuga 2.5T | Spotted

The Puma ST is great, but it's not the first fast Ford SUV...


So the Ford Fiesta ST is no more. Still a shame, even if we know all the reasons why. It means the small fast Ford torch is handed over to the Puma ST which, it should be said, is a cracking little car. Honestly, anyone who hadn’t immediately driven a Fiesta ST before getting into a Puma would be seriously impressed by the speed and the sense of mischief. Even those well versed in the Fiesta’s appeal will find a lot to like about the SUV equivalent, because it really is very similar.

Which must be good news, because we can surely expect plenty more cars in the mould of the Puma. Ford isn’t likely to give up on the ST badge now given the love so many people have for it; if it must go on an SUV like the Explorer rather than a hatch like the Focus, then so be it. Ford has already demonstrated with cars like Mustang Mach-E GT that, even if imperfect, its electric performance cars will have an identity of their own. So maybe, just maybe, an EV SUV ST won’t be all that bad.

In fact, the performance SUV is a genre that Ford has dabbled in before, albeit far more modestly than any likely future attempt will. Back when the first Kuga was the hot new thing and people were buying the diesel in their droves, the business case was made for the 2.5-litre turbo five from the Focus ST to go in. Yes, seriously. With a manual gearbox, too. Seemingly undeterred by how bonkers the engine transplant seemed in an S-Max, the Kuga got a 2.5T variant as well. It’s a wonder there wasn’t a Transit version.

For some reason, the Volvo motor was detuned for the Kuga installation, rated at 200hp instead of 225. (The same as a Puma now, in fact.) But the hearty 236lb ft of torque remained, from just 1,600rpm. Inevitably weight dented the Kuga’s  driver’s appeal versus a Focus, however it still met with some positive reviews for its handling and reasonably perky performance. The biggest gripe (beyond fuel consumption) seems to be that there wasn’t enough five-cylinder sound reaching the driver.

That could all be sorted nowadays, of course, and it’s hard not to imagine a Kuga 2.5T as one of the best sleepers around because of how tuneable that five-cylinder is. Hopefully there’s no glaring reason why not that we’re missing. Even the mildest of ECU tunes, designed to stay well within the tolerances of standard components, could liberate more than 280hp and almost 300lb ft in a car that looks like every other SUV, let alone just every other Kuga. Which would be pretty cool.

The 2.5-litre Kuga was a niche choice even 15 years ago, especially as it was only offered in top-of-the-range Titanium spec, so finding one nowadays isn’t tremendously easy - especially if you’re after a manual. But that’s what we have right here, complete with a pano roof and heated leather. It’s said to have a full service history for its 60,000 miles, too, and certainly looks better than a whole lot of 2012 Kugas seem to. 

Its £9,490 asking price seems strong, but then how on earth do you actually value a car like this? A higher mileage example is £8k, a lower mileage auto £10,000. None of them are quite the bargain that might be hoped for. Undoubtedly a new owner now would really have to appreciate the appeal of the five-pot, especially with the tax cost as well. But the potential is surely still there to create something really cool, the Kuga ST that never was. Dafter things must have happened with this engine…


SPECIFICATION | FORD KUGA 2.5T

Engine: 2,521cc, five-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 236@1,600-4,000rpm
MPG: 28.5
CO2: 234g/km
First registered: 2012
Recorded mileage: 60,000
Price new: £24,295
Yours for: £9,490

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Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,799 posts

185 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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‘Like a pig on roller skates’ comes to mind.
Or the old phrase, ‘just because you can doesn’t mean you should’…

Baddie

807 posts

247 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I had this engine in a Mondeo and had high hopes after experience of the original 2.3 in dad’s 850 T5. It was comfortably the most disappointing aspect of the car, and despite similar outputs felt no where near as strong as the original slugging or revving.

It wasn’t only that. The 2.3 had a lower red line, but would rampage into the limiter, revving sweetly and sounding lovely. The 2.5 got increasingly breathless and wasn’t worth taking much past 5k, sounding remote and strained. And it drank like Oliver Reed, a massive disappointment given the rest of the car. The idea of even less go, even more weight, and even heavier drinking doesn’t appeal in the slightest, sadly.

Bill

58,733 posts

285 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I test drove an auto one, it did a surprisingly good job of hiding the engine away. Minimal noise and no sense of urgency, I suspect the only clue would be the fuel bill.

fantheman80

2,649 posts

79 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I ran a facelift focus st for 5 years as a company car and although sounded good both on paper and in actual driving, found it slow and pretty disappointing tbh. As a company car I couldn't map it....or maybe I should have and asked for forgiveness later...

S600BSB

8,451 posts

136 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Not a looker..

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

160 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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at least they still make a 2.5T kuga with 220 BHP! God knows how 15 years later and with a electric motor they still manage to be so pathetic

Macron

13,392 posts

196 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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0-60 lists at 8.2.

£675 tax.

You've really got to want one for that sort of trade off....

yme402

661 posts

132 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Truly awful looking car. Buy a Mondeo.

cerb4.5lee

44,865 posts

210 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I didn't realise that this engine ended up in one of these, however much like the X5 4.8iS that I had...you sometimes actually wonder why it did in the first place though? As others have said, the appeal of this engine isn't really there in comparison to the Focus ST. This engine wasn't as appealing when it got put into the Mondeo from what I can gather either.

Darnoc95

516 posts

60 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Have to say one of the most ugly looking Fords ever ! Don't understand why anyone bought them unless forced as company car.
maybe. However with this engine probably not tax efficient. Might make a decent tow car if you can live with the fuel bills.

J4CKO

46,916 posts

230 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Was an anomaly when it was new, its a proper oddball curates egg now.

Nine and a half grand ? Oh behave ffs, its rare because nobody wanted that spec when new, let alone now.

Its not all that fast, doesnt really make a nice noise by the sound of it and it will do high teens MPG knocking about at £1.45 a litre and cost you £675 to tax it.

There is a reason most stuff like this had a diesel engine, thats what makes it palatable to run and suits a heavy ish car, remember Ford used to stick a 2.3 4 cyl petrol in the Galaxy, they were slow and thirsty, we had one as a rental on holiday when we had a diesel 2.0 at home, the petrol one was utter crap in comparison. Diesels definitely have their place, and a 2.5 5 cyl does but its wasted in a Kuga.

I remember when oddballs like this sat in the classified cheaper than the one everyone wants, 2012 Kuga is a 5/6 grand car, prices have gone mad, but really this isnt some "investment opportunity" like dealers like to say, its a moderately interesting engine that will put most buyers of the normal ones right off and anyone who wants a performance car, doesnt want a Kuga.

Pay the asking for this, advertise it and see what interest you get at 50 percent of that, I just cant see even at 5 or so it would garner much interest, but you never know, might be a prized thing in Kuga circles ?

Cryssys

933 posts

68 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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yme402 said:
Truly awful looking car. Buy a Mondeo.
+1


Shappers24

1,010 posts

116 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Interesting oddball proposition but that seems a steep price. You’d really need to be a big fan to justify that…

cerb4.5lee

44,865 posts

210 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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J4CKO said:
There is a reason most stuff like this had a diesel engine, thats what makes it palatable to run and suits a heavy ish car, remember Ford used to stick a 2.3 4 cyl petrol in the Galaxy, they were slow and thirsty, we had one as a rental on holiday when we had a diesel 2.0 at home, the petrol one was utter crap in comparison. Diesels definitely have their place, and a 2.5 5 cyl does but its wasted in a Kuga.
This is spot on I reckon, and it is something that I've learnt from experience over the years that certain engines suit certain cars more. For example I would recommend the X5 3.0d over the X5 4.8iS now, plus I'd also recommend the E90 330d over an E90 330i as well.

Don't get me wrong once upon a time something like this with a rare and quirky engine under the bonnet would have definitely appealed for sure. However with my age and my experience with cars now...that has definitely given me a wider view of the picture I reckon.

WPA

14,731 posts

144 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Shappers24 said:
Interesting oddball proposition but that seems a steep price. You’d really need to be a big fan to justify that…
Agreed

Sheepshanks

41,154 posts

149 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Macron said:
0-60 lists at 8.2.

£675 tax.

You've really got to want one for that sort of trade off....
It must be very tough to find buyers for cars with that level of tax.

Surely there's a lot of arguments at dealers when people arrive to collect a car and then find out how much the tax is.

Deranged Rover

4,678 posts

104 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Why? Just why?

Wife has a 2009 Focus ST 2.5 and i can only imagine that sticking the engine into this thing would make absolutely everything that is great about the Focus worse.

Jimmm

2,505 posts

213 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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"The Puma ST is great"

No it isn't.

Pablo16v

2,938 posts

227 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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My memories of testing both a Kuga and S-Max with this engine is at odd with everyone else as I enjoyed driving them both. Quick-ish, smooth and decent handling for what they were, with a nice bit of background thrum/warble from the engine, but in the end though I didn’t go for either of them as I upped the budget a fair amount and bought a 1 year old 2.0t ecoboost 240 S-Max instead.

rallycross

13,757 posts

267 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Augustus Windsock said:
‘Like a pig on roller skates’ comes to mind.
Or the old phrase, ‘just because you can doesn’t mean you should’…
Perfect description what an automotive turd.

They were detuned to avoid more engine troubles Ford messed around with the design of the Volvo engine hence why so many 2.5t focus st and smax 2.5 had engine block problems.