RE: Land Rover Defender 110 D300 | PH Fleet
RE: Land Rover Defender 110 D300 | PH Fleet
Wednesday 16th August 2023

Land Rover Defender 110 D300 | PH Fleet

The Defender is already more than halfway through its time with PH. So what's not to like?


I’ve been living with our Defender for four months now, which is definitely enough time to get to know it beneath that roughty toughty – and to my mind, evermore handsome – metal skin. I finally feel qualified to comment because it’s truly embedded in my life. So what’s the nitty gritty? The minutiae? The little positives and negatives that have risen to the fore and contribute to making life better, or worse, when living with a car? 

Well, on the plus side is definitely its brakes. Firstly, they’re powerful, which I find is always a great start, but it’s how they feel that I like most. The pedal travel is quite long but all of that travel translates into an additional and predictable increase in braking force. There’s no spikiness to the braking effort. It’s a set-up that feels totally appropriate to the car and makes stopping smoothly dead easy in any scenario – to the point I find myself trying to emulate the best chauffeurs coming to a halt, even when it’s just me in the car.  

Another thing that I really like is the big brute’s elevated driving position. I like the height for many reasons but, in case you’re wondering, not for the old trope of being able to see over the top of other cars. I like it for the ease with which I can get in and out for a start. I hate to admit this, but I’ve reached an age where getting out of low-slung sports cars is not the fluid action it once was. It’s a terrible thing to say, but it’s a process of sighing, puffing, and kind of stumbling onto the pavement red-faced. Let’s face it – that’s not cool. The effort required as I extricate myself from a Lamborghini does, every now and again, make me wonder if it’s all worth it, and I long to be in something more akin to an orthopedic chair. It turns out that the Defender is one. Being long-legged I can slide on and off the seat base with ease. I’ve only avoided going all in on old age with a pair of M&S beige corduroys because all that sliding will charge them up like a Van de Graaff generator and electrocute me.

I like the driving position all round, as it goes. The easy-to-read dials, the simple buttons for the climate controls, the wide centre armrest, the relationship between seat, pedals and steering wheel, and the comfort of the seat itself. And here’s a thing: these days, being in a car where you can see the corners of the wings clearly is a rare treat. So yes, it’s a big old bus, but thanks to the fact that I can spot the extremities at a glance means it’s actually no trouble trundling about town in it, or squeezing it into gaps between parked cars that, initially, I thought were a bit ambitious. 

It's not all one-way traffic to bliss street, though. I’m certainly not so smitten that I’m unable to find and report on the Defender’s faults, and it definitely has some. Getting back to the vision thing, the only direction I can’t see out easily is directly out the back. That’s because someone thought it would be a good idea to cover half the rear window with an enormous wheel and tyre. That and the rear side-hinged door are two very stupid features. Both were a pain when I had an old Discovery TDi300 back in the day, and are still a pain now. Land Rover could’ve shoved the spare wheel underneath, where it is on everything else with this floorplan, and split the tailgate. That way I could see what’s behind and, on top of that, it would be possible to access the boot when parked with the rear end butted up to something, which is most of the time.  

A split tailgate would also make it more user-friendly. It would offer some shelter when it’s raining, a seat when you need a rest, and a table to do things on when you’re out working in the field. Speaking of which, it would make the Defender more useful for carrying long loads around the farm. Take the day I needed to move some three-piece ladders as an example. This ladder was too long to fit inside, even with the rear seats down. I’ve moved them before in cars with a regular tailgate and it’s easy: tailgate open; ladder overhanging the back; drive carefully to where you need them; job done. But the side-hinged door of the Defender has a tendency to swing shut on the ladder, so I had to get someone to sit in the boot to stop it from closing. And that wasn’t easy for them because the Defender’s back door weighs more than a portcullis. 

I have some buying advice, too. You must order a Defender with air suspension, and I’m not saying that for the ride quality. This is about getting the thing into car parks. Having the air suspension means you can lower the ride height, and without it, the lofty Defender won’t fit in some multi-storeys. You’ll only realise this, of course, when it’s wedged in the opening and people are laughing at you and calling you names. But even with the air suspension there is a problem. So far, I’ve remembered to lower the car going into every car park, but when I return and drive out, the suspension automatically raises itself up to normal height. Why? That’s not cricket. We’re talking about a car with a masochistic streak, because if you don’t realise what it’s about to do you’ll do some serious damage. And the Defender’s desire for a stretch isn’t because I’ve exceeded a certain speed. I thought that was the case but I’ve since driven along at less than 5mph and up it goes. It just does it for no reason other than to make me look like the typical idiot who can’t drive their massive SUV.   

Those issues aside, I’ve answered one of the questions I asked in the Defender’s introductory piece: does it work as an everyday car and a working vehicle? And the answer, so far, is a resounding yes. That’s really important to me, or anyone who needs a workhorse but does long journeys and has a family to cart around. It turns out that the Defender is as good at crossing the country as it is at crossing fields, so I’ve come to the conclusion that you could have this as your sole car. Yes, it’s a hugely expensive outlay these days, but a bit of man maths sees it coming out cheaper than, say, a pick-up as the workhorse and a family hack for everything else.

There’s one other thing I’d like to mention before signing off for the month. I’ve driven plenty of outlandish cars in my time and I am used to the attention they bring. But you expect that when you’re in a 720S or Aventador – or a Polestar 1, for that matter. The Polestar was apparently so arresting that when I drove my girlfriend to the train station late one night someone followed me and pulled up right next to me. That was a bit bottom loosening, I can tell you. I stress, it was dark and I genuinely thought I was about to be carjacked. It turned out the father and son in the other car just wanted to know what the car I was driving was and tell me how fantastic it looked. Anyway, the Defender isn’t quite that alluring to passersby, but I am regularly questioned about it when I get out, by people interested to know whether it’s any good and do I like it. To which I say: yes, I like it a lot. 


Car: Land Rover Defender 110 D300 X-Dynamic HSE
Price as tested: £82,255 
Options fitted: Air suspension Pack (£1,615), Advanced Off-Road Capability Pack (£1,070), Cold Climate Pack (£260), Electronic Active Differential with Torque Vectoring (£1,020), Three-zone Climate Control (£355), Air Quality Sensor (£60), Cabin Air Purification Plus (£285), Wi-Fi Enabled with Data Plan (£460), Secure Tracker Pro (36-month subscription) (£520), dealer-fit manual towbar and electrics (£1,600).
Run by: John H
On fleet since: April 2023
Mileage: 7,232

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ducnick

Original Poster:

2,275 posts

273 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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does it work as an everyday car and a working vehicle?

1. No because the tailgate opens sideways so you cant access the boot in car parks- not ideal for en everyday car, also not ideal for a working vehicle- see your ladder example.

2. No because even with air suspension, the software makes navigating height restricted multi story car parks impossible. It’s just a fraction too tall.

Otherwise, sounds great. Just need landrover to address these two simple things on a second generation model.

GianiCakes

699 posts

103 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I’m loving mine too and the ease of ingress egress has been one of the surprises. It’s probably the same width as the Tesla S but much easier to get in and out of when parked. I find most of the car parks I use are 2m high which means no need to lower the car, but yes it is surprising that it reverts to standard height as a default.
Now I know to park front inwards so the the rear door isn’t a problem and I haven’t had to carry a long load, which I can see would be awkward. I suspect LR like to keep the split hatch as a full fat Range Rover USP, at least within their range. I’m also removing the spare wheel to reduce length and weight on the door. In 40 years of driving I’ve never had a flat on the road and I can’t remember the last car of mine which actually had a spare so I don’t see why the Defender needs to be different, at least for my use. I might put it back on from time to time though for its ability to carry a bike or ski rack.

dhdev

108 posts

250 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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From the Defender's manual:

LOCKED ACCESS HEIGHT

WARNING
Make sure the relevant warnings and cautions have been read and fully understood before adjusting the electronic air suspension. See ELECTRONIC AIR SUSPENSION SAFETY.

Locked access height mode is useful when manoeuvring the vehicle in confined areas, e.g., multi-storey car parks.

To enter locked access mode:

Make sure the vehicle is travelling at less than 35 km/h (22 mph).

Make sure the vehicle is in the access height setting. See ACCESS HEIGHT.

Press and hold the down button (2) on the front control panel for longer than 1 second. See ELECTRONIC AIR SUSPENSION CONTROLS.

The locked access height indicator lamp (5) on the front control panel illuminates amber to confirm the vehicle is locked in access height.

To exit locked access mode, either:

Press the up button (3) on the front control panel for longer than 1 second.

Raise the vehicle's speed to over 40 km/h (25 mph).

Bill

58,727 posts

285 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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dhdev said:
RTFM readit
thumbup This is how the D4 works.

BVB

1,230 posts

183 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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These monstrosities get even more hideous with time.
Seeing them appear more commonly on the streets now, gives me a similar feeling to seeing a kindle instead of a book when on the tube i.e how ridiculous.
Bring back the real Defender.

GianiCakes

699 posts

103 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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RTFM smile It’s a fair cop. In our defense it’s a very large manual, and electronic too. If only they’d stuck to the parchment original

FaustF

809 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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John's insights are always on the money.

A Grenadier is still my preferred however.

pb8g09

3,244 posts

99 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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BVB said:
These monstrosities get even more hideous with time.
Seeing them appear more commonly on the streets now, gives me a similar feeling to seeing a kindle instead of a book when on the tube i.e how ridiculous.
Bring back the real Defender.
I have the Kindle debate with my missus every week. She likes physical books and as a result we have to have a whole room full of bookshelves to store all her books when we could have just had 1 Kindle. I agree with your sentiment on the Defender but don’t think your analogy quite works.

fantheman80

2,646 posts

79 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Doesn't it have a fancy 4k 3D OLED with soundbar rear reversing camera to assist?

NJJ

530 posts

110 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I'm not anti SUV per se and I like the design of new Defender but can't help but think these look gross in a city/town environment as they appear huge. Ignoring the idiots who go around bursting tyres at night there does seem to be a noticeable shift where vehicles like these are becoming more socially unacceptable in urban environments. I do think Land Rover need to pivot away from pumping out derivatives of the same large SUV formula as I see these falling rapidly out of favour in the years to come.

Now if Land Rover could do a baby Defender, a posh Jimny or modern Freelander Mk 1 successor, it would go someway in changing this image as well selling like cakes straight from the oven.

akashzimzimma

274 posts

107 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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499 L boot size for such a large car is pathetic, as is the design of the boot door . Imagine trying to unload a pram in a car park whilst dealing with small kids etc.
My S211 E55 AMG is abit shorter, under 4.9M long and narrowed and obviously much lower yet has a 695L boot with seats up and that's with 2 extra seats folded under the boot floor, as its a 7 seater. Its easy to get into and can be made easier by using the same lift function on its airmatic for those oldies!

Neill-l9qpf

72 posts

108 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I really want to like the Defender but I can't help but think if I had £80k to spend on a SUV than a Range Rover Sport or Discovery would do everything a Defender will do without the foibles you list (tailgate / excessive height etc)

So the sole reason you'd choose one is the styling, which really means you're trying not to look like you've spent £80k on a Defender

Snozzer

152 posts

171 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Really wanted one, but the boot is too small. Side opening too, which is a PITA.

scrapped

142 posts

51 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I'm alarmed by this seeming epedemic of decrepitude sweeping the UK. Previous generations coped with lower cars, but today people reach 25 and apparently bending down becomes an issue.

Hopes and prayers.

JackReacher

2,284 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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What's not to like? The image, urban warrior, blacked out, private plate. Like some sort of male handbag.

HardMiles

401 posts

116 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Completely gash. £80k for a "utilitarian" car, that should be simple and designed to go on and on. Instead they're having engine failures and scrapping them at 5k miles already. More modern junk. Pointless and stupid, just like almost everything new at the moment. Set to appease a range of people that never use them as they were originally intended. Another status symbol. Dog W 4nk.

Edited by HardMiles on Wednesday 16th August 10:48

camel_landy

5,511 posts

213 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Bill said:
dhdev said:
RTFM readit
thumbup This is how the D4 works.
It has been like than since way before the D4...

M

NicoG

661 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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HardMiles said:
Completely gash. £80k for a "utilitarian" car, that should be simple and designed to go on and on. Instead they're having engine failures and scrapping them at 5k miles already. More modern junk. Pointless and stupid, just like almost everything new at the moment. Set to appease a range of people that never use them as they were originally intended. Another status symbol. Dog W 4nk.

Edited by HardMiles on Wednesday 16th August 10:48
FFS Get off the fence and tell us what you really think..... rofl

NomduJour

20,634 posts

289 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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HardMiles said:
Set to appease a range of people that never use them as they were originally intended.
Better tell the three (soon to be four) people I know with Hard Tops to get them traded in for something much worse at the job.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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FaustF said:
John's insights are always on the money.

A Grenadier is still my preferred however.
Agreed, the Grenadier is more Land Rover than LR/Discovery/Range Rover is itself.