RE: Did we beat the Golf R? | PH Project Car
RE: Did we beat the Golf R? | PH Project Car
Monday 21st August 2023

Did we beat the Golf R? | PH Project Car

Our Mk5 track build goes up against a Golf R 20 Years for one last time. Let battle commence! | Promoted


After nearly a year of planning, months of filming and countless hours spent tearing up and down the M40, the final video in our inaugural series of PH Project Car is now live. Our Mk5 Volkswagen Golf has gone from a (rather peachy) 17-year hot hatch with a creamy leather interior to a track weapon built to take on its far newer and considerably more expensive sibling: Mk8 Golf R 20 Years. Curborough-bound, we set out to see if our maxed-out GTI can take the heat.

First, a quick recap of all the bits we’ve bought on eBay to make our giant-slaying machine. With a budget of £10,000 (include the car, if you haven’t heard), we first set about upgrading the platform with new BC Racing BR Series coilovers, Nankang NS-R2 semi-slicks and front brake callipers from an Audi S3 with new Brembo discs and Ferodo pads. The first round of mods made a huge difference to our lap time, lowering the deficit to the Golf R from 5.5 seconds to three seconds flat. 

Next up: upgrading the driver. There’s a huge amount of time to be gained here and, particularly if you’re not a track day regular, and it’s a good way of figuring out where the car is weak and where you’re just rubbish. So Charles Rainford, last year’s Porsche Carrera Cup GB Pro-Am champion and our Golf R driver, passed on some much needed insights during a tuition session on the GP course at Brands Hatch. While there were some glaring gaps in my driving ability (track use, trail braking, general bravery), it was clear the GTI was lacking pace on the straights. With 200hp in stock form - and probably a little less after 17 years and nearly 100,000 miles - the time had come to finally dial up the power. 

Heading back onto eBay, we picked up an upgraded intercooler, induction kit and high pressure fuel pump from VAG tuning wizards Revo, as well as a Milltek sports cat to go along with the cat-back system that had been fitted to the car by a previous owner. And with a stage 2+ remap (also courtesy of Revo), our Golf GTI is now developing a heady 272hp and some rather wonderful induction noises to boot. Kitty dried up, we headed back to Curborough one last time to see whether our upgrades were enough to overcome the (still sizeable) gap to the Golf R.

Surprisingly, track conditions were chillier in July than they were when we first benchmarked the cars back in April. In the name of fairness, I sent Charles out again in the Golf R to clock a time that was more representative of the cooler conditions. A 28.4-second run ensued. Some 0.3 seconds slower than his initial run, though I’d face the same low track temperatures for my run in the GTI.

After a couple of sighting laps (Charles did the same, before you ask!), it became clear that a 36 per cent increase in power had made traction something of an issue. We’d run out of budget for a proper diff, and the GTI clearly wasn’t happy about it. Exiting turn one in second gear allowed me to hit the torque curve earlier, but the side effect was huge amounts of understeer and smoke billowing from the far side front tyre. Leaving it in third meant I could use the turbo lag to prevent the wheels from lighting up, even if it wasn’t the fastest method on paper. 

The extra punch was noticeable through the right-left chicane in the middle of the figure-of-eight circuit, and Charles even noted that the GTI look better than the R under braking into the second hairpin. Traction was again an issue on exit, but the boost thankfully kicked in once the tyres found some purchase, firing me towards the fast left-right chicane before crossing the line. I’d given it everything. The GTI felt alive on corner entry and the extra grunt was noticeable throughout the lap. But it wasn’t enough. With a 30.15-second run, I was still 1.7 seconds off the Golf R. Even Charles couldn’t get near the R, lowing the time I set to 30 seconds flat.

Needless to say, we’re gutted. We knew we had a mountain to climb with this challenge, but it doesn’t make the final result any easier. Still, it’s all about the journey, isn’t it? We’ve taken a hot hatch that’s probably lived a very ordinary life and turned it into a track car that’s only fractionally slower than a £50,000 super hatch for a fifth of the price. Of course, we couldn’t have done this without the support of eBay, and features such as My Garage and Certified Recycled make builds like this a complete breeze. 

Now, it’s over to you. Follow the link here, enter our competition and you could be the new owner of PH Project Car. I’ll be terrifically jealous of the winner, and I’m hoping its new owner will bring it along to Sunday Services and PH track evenings for many years to come. It'll be difficult to let go - better start a new project to take my mind off it.


This video is presented in partnership with eBay. Shop for motoring parts and accessories here. To be in with a chance of winning our project car, click here, answer the question and cross your fingers. You’ve got until 11:59 on 5th November to get your answer in. Good luck!

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Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,795 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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A good effort, and an entertaining article series
I can see me , the lucky winner, fitting that missing diff, removing the interior and replacing it with 2 race seats and harnesses, and flat door cards with Porsche RS-type door pulls etc….

Bright Halo

3,982 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Sorry Augustus but I’m going to be the winner and I too will fit an lsd.

It would be good to see them both on a track day at Bedford or Donington where traction won’t be such an issue and it would be more about general handling. I reckon the lower weight of the Mk5 would be of greater benefit then.



Edited by Bright Halo on Sunday 20th August 14:18

paradigital

1,104 posts

182 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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So the article title could have simply been summed up with “no”.

Seems a bit daft chasing power before fully sorting the rest of the car. Diff should have come before the other bits, would have likely had a greater impact on the lap time, especially given the incredibly tight and twisty nature of Curborough.

Bright Halo

3,982 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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paradigital said:
So the article title could have simply been summed up with “no”.

Seems a bit daft chasing power before fully sorting the rest of the car. Diff should have come before the other bits, would have likely had a greater impact on the lap time, especially given the incredibly tight and twisty nature of Curborough.
Agreed.
Lsd and forget the revo stuff for this particular challenge. For road and an open circuit this was probably the way to go.

Edited by Bright Halo on Sunday 20th August 08:37

Charybdis

73 posts

314 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Upgrading the driver is always the first thing I with a new car. Makes a huge difference!

Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,795 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Bright Halo said:
paradigital said:
So the article title could have simply been summed up with “no”.

Seems a bit daft chasing power before fully sorting the rest of the car. Diff should have come before the other bits, would have likely had a greater impact on the lap time, especially given the incredibly tight and twisty nature of Curborough.
Agreed.
Lsd and forget the revo stuff for this particular challenge. For road and an open circuit this was probably the way to go.

Edited by Bright Halo on Sunday 20th August 08:37
When I built a Golf track car, I started with fitting new uprated shocks and springs, uprated bushes and brakes. An uprated clutch and lightened flywheel came next, together with a baffled sump, and only then did I go down the engine route.

paradigital

1,104 posts

182 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Augustus Windsock said:
When I built a Golf track car, I started with fitting new uprated shocks and springs, uprated bushes and brakes. An uprated clutch and lightened flywheel came next, together with a baffled sump, and only then did I go down the engine route.
Baffled sump is another thing I’d 100% do if I was planning on any amount of track use, having suffered at the hand of oil starvation at Donington, with a stock 1.8T “BAM” engine in a Leon Cupra R.

911Spanker

3,669 posts

46 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Charybdis said:
Upgrading the driver is always the first thing I with a new car. Makes a huge difference!
They had the same driver.

Water Fairy

6,606 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Agreed that extra power was just being wasted in smoke on this circuit. Having fitted a quaife to a Saab 9-5 Aero some years ago the difference it makes is palpable.

Its Just Adz

18,928 posts

239 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Sorry if I'm being thick, but I can't see the link for the competition....

stef1808

1,031 posts

187 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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What’s stopping people from making 100s of emails to enter the competition?

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Water Fairy said:
Agreed that extra power was just being wasted in smoke on this circuit. Having fitted a quaife to a Saab 9-5 Aero some years ago the difference it makes is palpable.
Quaife is terrible on a FWD car, they shuffle power side to side when you plant it, which sends you snaking up the road. Very un-nerving

Augustus Windsock

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3,795 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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911Spanker said:
Charybdis said:
Upgrading the driver is always the first thing I with a new car. Makes a huge difference!
They had the same driver.
They did, but that’s not what he said. Investing in some extended driver training courses would reap benefits, especially over full low of a circuit rather than this course.
The first time I went out on track, with a quick car, I was swarmed by young lads in stripped out Corrados and Meganes, yet my car was significantly quicker on paper.
It took me a while to dial my brain into what I was doing tbh.

Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,795 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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911Spanker said:
Charybdis said:
Upgrading the driver is always the first thing I with a new car. Makes a huge difference!
They had the same driver.
They did, but that’s not what he said. Investing in some extended driver training courses would reap benefits, especially over full low of a circuit rather than this course.
The first time I went out on track, with a quick car, I was swarmed by young lads in stripped out Corrados and Meganes, yet my car was significantly quicker on paper.
It took me a while to dial my brain into what I was doing tbh.

Baddie

806 posts

247 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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I would be interested to know the value of the labour in this car. I can do some spannering, shocks etc, but not all the work, and would have had to pay for alignment/re-mapping and so on.

Be great if the next build includes the guys doing as much of their own work as possible, describing problems they overcame, and adding bills for other work done and tool purchases.

nismo48

7,072 posts

237 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Its Just Adz said:
Sorry if I'm being thick, but I can't see the link for the competition....
+1 with you on that scratchchin

Water Fairy

6,606 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Niponeoff said:
Water Fairy said:
Agreed that extra power was just being wasted in smoke on this circuit. Having fitted a quaife to a Saab 9-5 Aero some years ago the difference it makes is palpable.
Quaife is terrible on a FWD car, they shuffle power side to side when you plant it, which sends you snaking up the road. Very un-nerving
Yours must have been faulty then because mine was fantastic, sucking it into the bend and then getting the power on early. I was running 320bhp at the time as well. You must have got confused with the MK1 Focus RS.

NGK210

5,014 posts

175 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Conclusion: on a twisty and narrow circuit, an open-diff FWD will never match a Haldex 4WD that also has torque vectoring.
Golly gosh, who knew?

AlphaDelta

343 posts

75 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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I’ve enjoyed this series and watched the finale at the PH cinema last weekend. Would agree with others here a diff was a surprising omission and clearly needed given both drivers feedback from the final test.

Was it ever going to get close to a Golf R? No chance, but a nice effort.

Matt Dell

3,302 posts

185 months

Sunday 20th August 2023
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Its Just Adz said:
Sorry if I'm being thick, but I can't see the link for the competition....
It's at the bottom of the article https://link.pistonheads.com/join/63g/competition-...