RE: Unique four-seat Porsche 911 GT3 Touring for sale
RE: Unique four-seat Porsche 911 GT3 Touring for sale
Tuesday 5th September 2023

Unique four-seat Porsche 911 GT3 Touring for sale

Who says the perfect Porsche doesn't exist?


After six decades of Porsche 911 production, there are a few hard and fast rules established. Heaven knows how many more years tradition can survive, but for the moment there are a few non negotiables. The flat six engine is always at the back, if it’s called a Turbo it must have a turbocharger, and if it’s a GT department car then it only has two seats - always.

Well, almost always, it turns out. Because those rules are changing: here’s a four-seat GT3. No doubt some will cry sacrilege, the juxtaposition of usability and circuit focus too much to bear, but it’s easy to understand why it might have happened. This is a Touring, for starters; no less hardcore than a standard GT3 to drive, though going without the rear cage of a Clubsport car to start with. The space for seats is most definitely there. And as a more modest car to look at, the Touring treatment might appeal to - let’s be polite here - the more mature owner, less keen on drawing attention to themselves. And potentially with small folk to carry behind. They didn’t want to compromise on having a GT3 or taking the kids out (presumably) and so we have what must currently be the only four-seat 992 GT3 in the world.

Didn’t come cheap, mind, as might be expected for a process that flouts an immutable 911 rule. According to the advert, the cost of having the seats supplied and fitted was just under £16,000 from specialists RPM Technik. Or, going off the actual GT3 RRP of £146,400, more than 10 per cent of the original purchase price. They did it properly at least, with that wonderful houndstooth upholstery matching that for the front carbon buckets. And, well, it works - right? The space is there, the fitment is spot on, the Exclusive Manufaktur yellow contrast stitching carries through perfectly… The four-seat GT3 Touring looks as good as might be hoped for. PHer parents might be a little concerned about the apparent lack of ISOFIX points for maximum practicality points, but they might just be hidden. If not, just wait until they’re out of car seats. And squeeze them in.

Or don’t, and just revel in the fact that this is a genuine one-off 911, and not just because it’s painted Nacho Cheese Yellow or was built on Ferdinand Porsche’s birthday. Having rear seats in most 911s is one of its great selling points, even if it is just for more accessible luggage storage, and the same will be the case for a GT3. It’s hard to imagine this has had much impact on the sublime driving experience, either, and if that really was a priority you’d be getting with the cage anyway.

There’s plenty more to recommend this particular Touring beyond just novelty value. It has the manual gearbox, which is actually seldom seen now the PDK option has been introduced for the Touring and people keep choosing the wrong one. It’s being sold after fewer than 4,000 miles and just a year’s driving, too, which seems incredible given what’s been invested. On the other hand, that means it basically presents as brand new, with a warranty until 2025, the Porsche ‘new car detailing’ package and a tonne of options such as ceramic brakes, the upgraded Matrix beam headlights and some carbon goodies, including the roof. The wheels could be redone in silver or gold and what a GT3 you’d be left with.

There’s a premium to pay for the exclusivity, of course, albeit a modest one in the world of Porsche GT cars. It’s possible to pay £185k for a 992 Touring, with most cars on PH currently for sale around the £220,000 mark. So the jump from that to £250,000 isn’t mad given the specification. People have paid an awful lot more for one-off Porsches, right? Just don’t forget to remind the kids of that, too…


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robpeacey

Original Poster:

63 posts

248 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Nice, but not £250k nice.
It is evident I don't operate in these price brackets.

Prices boggle the mind sometimes.

Edited by robpeacey on Tuesday 5th September 06:34

Schermerhorn

4,353 posts

219 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Smart person

They knew what they were doing when they ordered this from new

This might be one of those Unicorn Porsche 911s one day in the future

GTEYE

2,485 posts

240 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Other than the obvious reason of cashing in, it seems like a lot of effort put in to them offload it almost immediately having barely used it.

Probably has another one in order ready to do the same…

CSK1

1,817 posts

154 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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This car’s ancestor is the 911 Carrera RS 2.7 from 1973 and the Touring version came as a 2 + 2 as standard. So the rule of offering only two seats is only a recent one and quite incomprehensible.

AndrewD

7,658 posts

314 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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The article says it has a Porsche warranty.

Good luck with that, when you hear the warranty is voided for non standard battery or windscreen wipers.

Looks nice though.

Chubbyross

4,981 posts

115 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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This flipping malarkey has become utterly absurd. It’s almost as if the thing I’m looking at doesn’t even have to be a car anymore. It’s just a thing, a commodity to be flipped over and over, making more money. In my eyes it’s not even a very pleasant 911 in that colour spec.

I loved the idea of the GT3 touring when they first came out. A GT3 without the shouty bits and a car that would be driven hard by their owners.

Newbie2023

324 posts

40 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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How much will access to the rear seats be compromised due to it having the fixed bucket seats in the front? It's crying out for the standard sports seats to if you ask me, which themselves are pretty fantastic.

Darnoc95

516 posts

60 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Way over priced imo. Should be more like £195K if it expects to sell. Remember prices are starting to slip at the moment. Not the best colour combo either Black on Black is going out of fashion.

PorkerHam

188 posts

72 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Newbie2023 said:
How much will access to the rear seats be compromised due to it having the fixed bucket seats in the front? It's crying out for the standard sports seats to if you ask me, which themselves are pretty fantastic.
I have that combo on my 911T, albeit mine is a 991, not a 992. It is quite a faff, to be honest. The problem is that when you try to tilt the front seats forward, the top of the seats hits the roof unless they are pushed right back. But the rear passenger can't get in unless they are pushed all the way forward. And as the seat is pushed forward, the seatbelt becomes a greater trip hazard for the rear passenger. Getting in is a faff, getting out is worse because to start the proceedure you have to ram the passenger seat back into where the rear passenger's feet are. Then tilt the seat forward, then push the seat forward, then warn the passenger of the trip hazard. Oh, and the seat slider mechanism is very heavily sprung to push the seat back all the time, so, really, it never goes well.

Unless someone on here would like to point out the much easier method that I'm not aware of!

ph

GreatScott2016

2,519 posts

118 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Chubbyross said:
This flipping malarkey has become utterly absurd. It’s almost as if the thing I’m looking at doesn’t even have to be a car anymore. It’s just a thing, a commodity to be flipped over and over, making more money. In my eyes it’s not even a very pleasant 911 in that colour spec.

I loved the idea of the GT3 touring when they first came out. A GT3 without the shouty bits and a car that would be driven hard by their owners.
Couldn't agree more. Nonsense price IMHO too.

GreatScott2016

2,519 posts

118 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Chubbyross said:
This flipping malarkey has become utterly absurd. It’s almost as if the thing I’m looking at doesn’t even have to be a car anymore. It’s just a thing, a commodity to be flipped over and over, making more money. In my eyes it’s not even a very pleasant 911 in that colour spec.

I loved the idea of the GT3 touring when they first came out. A GT3 without the shouty bits and a car that would be driven hard by their owners.
Couldn't agree more. Nonsense price IMHO too.

Mouse Rat

2,097 posts

122 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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I thought most 911s had rear seats. That's kind of the point.

hornbaek

3,832 posts

265 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Don’t get this at all. Probably no warranty and no type approval (my guess only). But if you have kids to put ferry, buy a GTS. It’s the much better package for the job and 50k cheaper. The GT3 Touring is loud and relatively uncompromising.

From Red Bull Ring yesterday:






Vee12V

1,410 posts

190 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Apart from the rear seats the spec is absolutely shockingly bad.

Loplop

2,011 posts

215 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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hornbaek said:
no type approval (my guess only).
Iirc part of the cost of the conversion was that they've had it type approved

Augustus Windsock

3,792 posts

185 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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As other have said, take this into a Porsche dealer for warranty work and they will no doubt turn you away
Also, if you do carry small people in the back and are involved in an RTC that involves injury to them, prepare for a world of pain as the insurers turn your claim down
On paper a great idea, in reality… buy a ‘normal’ 911.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Vee12V said:
Apart from the rear seats the spec is absolutely shockingly bad.
It definitely needs silver wheels and clear glass.

smilo996

3,836 posts

200 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Aren't they all like this, for grandad or his divorced son to collect the kids.

blue al

1,437 posts

189 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Ignoring the flippability aspect for a moment, what questions as an ownership proposition is this car answering compared to a matching 911 gts and cayman gt4 with cash in the bank ?

I doubt anyone is using this car’s capabilities with their offspring in the back?
Still with cash burning a hole in your pocket why not ?

ChrisCh86

1,127 posts

74 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Why do rich people like having their cars in black on black at the moment?

I've lost count of the number of new JLR products, Porsches etc with black paint and black wheels. It looks dreadful.