RE: No more manual Minis!
RE: No more manual Minis!
Tuesday 5th September 2023

No more manual Minis!

Boss Stefanie Wurst confirms it's auto-only from now on


Following the reveal of the new Mini Cooper EV, boss of the company Stefanie Wurst has confirmed to Top Gear that there will be no more manual versions - even when the petrol powered version arrives. It means the recent JCW 1to6 Edition is the last six-speed manual Mini to make production, so it probably was quite a good idea to nab one of those. The recent Bulldog Racing Edition has a claim to fame, too, though as an aftermarket overhaul rather than a factory model it’s a slightly different prospect. Looks even more appealing given this news, however.

Because manual Minis were good. Manual Minis are good. Perhaps the shift didn’t snick through the gate like a Civic Type R, but compared to some long winded gearchanges in French and German hot hatch they weren’t bad at all. Your correspondent owns one, and even after a dozen years of use the shift remains satisfying. There have been better manual gearboxes, yes, but plenty more that aren’t so good. It plays so well to the cheeky character of a Mini, too, pretending you’re in The Italian Job (or on a special stage) when shifting as fast as possible or getting the downshift just right. The overrun burbles are just better in a manual, too.

Sad news for fans, then, if somewhat inevitable given the way things are moving. It would be a surprise to find that the manual outsold the auto for the previous generation in any variant, and with the shift to electric the DIY gearbox had to go at some point. On the plus side, it means that there are more than 20 years and three generation of manual Minis to pick up secondhand to remind you just how good they can be. Take that from someone who never saw themselves as a Mini owner and now is all too attached - they’re great fun. Still relatively affordable, too, which seems unlikely to last…

See this R53 Cooper S as proof. Electric Blue, low mileage, one owner, the limited slip diff and just £5,495. Or there’s British Racing Green, freshly serviced and MOT’d, for just £4,590. For hot hatches that look so good and drive so well, even with their issues, that’s not very much. Especially when you bear in mind how much a GP still is. The later R56 can be bought for even less, though you really want one of the later, 184hp Cooper S facelifts (from 2010) for a less trouble engine - this one is just £4k. And there are some really, really lovely ones out there: see this Reef Blue with Polar Cream example. Expensive, yes, but maybe worth it. Or how about one of the best GPs this specialist has seen? A real manual hot hatch gem, that one.

There’s fun to be found in the most recent, F56 generation, too - if you know where to look. The JCW Challenge was a proper pocket rocket hero, with Nitron suspension, a Quaife limited slip diff, Michelin Cup 2s, better brakes and lighter wheels. Mini actually made just 53 - it was originally meant to be 100 - so they’re very rare these days. This one has been modified further, and looks a very fun way to spend £25k. Especially thanks to that manual gearbox…


 

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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,967 posts

248 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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It was inevitable, so not surprised in the slightest.

gonnagetyoursBenny

103 posts

135 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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There have been more manual minis
Than PH articles starting "behold"
A quite good shift, they possessed
And colour schemes in bold

All with three pedals
Turbos later, superchargers first
"The people won't double declutch"
Says boss, Steph Wurst

Appropriately named
Appropriately blamed
The market, she's gamed
The Mini, she's tamed

chazwozza

984 posts

216 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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I still don't consider these mini's!!! Had the original...

Horsebox Man

107 posts

46 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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I don't think I have seen such a big stain on a seat like the light blue Cooper S car for sale in the link !

Bobley

730 posts

179 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Back when the roads were quieter and we all drove 100-150 HP hatchbacks with 4 and 5 speed gearboxes on little tyres I didn't mind a manual box. Autos were horrible slushy things in your grandads Rover.

My old R56 mini only has 110BHP and the manual box is nice. Nothing happens very quickly and its a soft little car that bounds along.

My missus bought a F56 S JCW a while back. She specced an auto and I refused to test drive it. It was her car and she was buying the wrong gearbox so I just let her get on with it. On collection day we drove down in her Golf GTD DSG with its truly awful clunkmatic box and she was too excited to drive so asked me to drive us home. Well, I take it all back. 230 ponies and an 8 speed ZF box. I had no idea what technology was inside that box but if you drive gently, its shifts gently, if you switch to sport mode and give it a bootfull it thumps and pops and bangs and just chucks you down the road... it holds onto gears in corners, its always ready. Love it.

Yes its sad we're loosing manuals but the effort to get all these cars through EU7 and then hybridise them just means its not possible to offer a manual.

Filibuster

3,405 posts

245 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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I have a F56 Cooper S with the old school automatic and it is a superb drive boxedin
For me, the Mini is mainly a city runaround and thus much more enjoyable than the manual.

These days I'd only have a manual in my second / fun / sunday morning car. But for everything else I prefer a good auto gearbox, yeah I got old, I know.

jamesbilluk

4,142 posts

213 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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The OH has a 2016 Cooper, I was surprised how good the gearbox was when I first drove it.

edoverheels

615 posts

135 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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gonnagetyoursBenny said:
There have been more manual minis
Than PH articles starting "behold"
A quite good shift, they possessed
And colour schemes in bold

All with three pedals
Turbos later, superchargers first
"The people won't double declutch"
Says boss, Steph Wurst

Appropriately named
Appropriately blamed
The market, she's gamed
The Mini, she's tamed
10/10 Thank you

I'm just not interested in anything other than three pedals. I know that I am old fashioned and missing out etc but that is still the truth of it for me.
Other people are quite entitled to hold more enlightened opinions than me.

craigjm

21,508 posts

230 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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chazwozza said:
I still don't consider these mini's!!! Had the original...
It’s been 23 years get over it. A mini the size of the original would be a non starter in the modern world

loudlashadjuster

6,447 posts

214 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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craigjm said:
chazwozza said:
I still don't consider these mini's!!! Had the original...
It’s been 23 years get over it. A mini the size of the original would be a non starter in the modern world
yes

Hairymonster

1,678 posts

135 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Stephanie Sausage!

Loplop

2,012 posts

215 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Not the Wurst decision as the manual in these F56s is pants.

SWMBO has had both a manual JCW and Auto JCW.

The JCW Auto isn't even a good Auto by modern standards, but it's far better for the car than the manual.

Acorn1

3,566 posts

50 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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As said, hardly surprising, I don't think there will be a manual option for any vehicles in the next 5 years or so.

Which is a shame.

I reluctantly got shovelled into an Auto with the latest incarnation of my car, as auto was the only option.

BFleming

3,917 posts

173 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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A lot of kids these days are passing auto-only tests. Sign of the times. Auto sales are where it's at; the manual is in decline.

Court_S

14,748 posts

207 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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It's a shame especially because I believe that MINI use the Aisin gearbox.

The F56 with the old DCT was probably pretty good though.

MrBen986

659 posts

148 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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Makes me wonder in which year the final mainstream car (hatchback, SUV etc) with a clutch pedal will be sold. I'd say certainly within the next ten years, and quite possibly sooner than that. I'd have thought that unthinkable only a few years ago.

carl_w

10,766 posts

288 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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This news (like sausage jokes) is the wurst.

kambites

71,548 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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MrBen986 said:
Makes me wonder in which year the final mainstream car (hatchback, SUV etc) with a clutch pedal will be sold. I'd say certainly within the next ten years, and quite possibly sooner than that. I'd have thought that unthinkable only a few years ago.
Well in the UK it will probably be 2030, because after that new cars will have to be plug-in hybrids or full EVs (unless that date gets pushed back of course, but there seems no political will for changing it at the moment) and I can't see manufacturers bothering to produce manual plug-in hybrids.

I think manuals will remain popular in places like India where budget is king for much of the market.

shoestring7

6,193 posts

276 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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I'm not surprised, the F56 gear change was about the worst of any car I've owned in 40 years. My 2016 JCS suffered from rev hanging and a clutch delay valve, and it was impossible to snick in a sweetly timed gear change - in four years of ownership, I probably managed it twice. The best approach was either to count to 2 elephants or just ram in the change with no attempt at subtlety or timing, which is I guess what most drivers do.

Added to an uninspired lever action and a dull, 'torque optimised' motor which was equally effective in any one of three gears at any speed, and I can see why BMW/Mini destroyed their market for the Spanish gearbox.


Demonix

830 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th September 2023
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An auto in a small city car that spends most of its life in stop start traffic does make sense, post pandemic I went from a 3.0l auto estate to a cheap R56 cooper s manual - as I mostly wfh and don't need a massive wagon. Love the manual and the engagement, especially on the twisty lanes near me - find it refreshing and fun to be back in a 3 pedal car, don't think I will go auto until forced to drive an EV.