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Wednesday 20th September 2023

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You'll still be able to buy a new petrol or diesel car till 2035, says PM. Assuming you can find one...


Having spent months interminably testing the political water and then leaking like a sieve, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak finally confirmed in a speech given on Wednesday afternoon that the UK’s proposed (so-called) ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars will be pushed back to 2035. Cue much huffing and puffing and teeth gnashing from anyone with skin in the game, and quite a bit from those with none. This despite the fact that the original 2030 timetable - announced at the comedic high point of Boris Johnson’s time in Narnia - stood about as much chance of becoming plausible reality as a footbridge made of compost. 

The reasons for it being rolled back are well-rehearsed on PH (the preposterous expense of doing so that must be passed on to everyone; the nation’s flagrant unpreparedness for universal electrification; a well-founded reluctance among the general public to have transition forced upon it; the industrial requirement for carbon-intensive imports etc) but for the most part, they are merely the epitaph on a grave that was already pre-dug. Back in 2020, the 2030 deadline was plucked from the ether with all the nailed-on certainty of a man guessing his weight in cashew nuts. Tellingly, it looked good on a press release. Boastful, even, as it assigned the UK world-leading status. But that was the sum total of all it did. 

To stand any chance of succeeding, even in a decade-long timeframe, the policy would’ve required a gargantuan let’s-pull-together effort and the extensive buy-in not only of the general public but also a globalised car industry. None of this transpired. Certainly, any manufacturer that wants to be in the business of building more than 1,000 cars a year is well on the way to some form of wholesale electrification - but the speed and substance of that transition is chiefly defined by the ever-tightening strictures of forthcoming emission legislation and the 2035 combustion engine deadline recently written into EU law. Not the ramblings of the UK government. 

Consequently, while the Prime Minister’s reversal is being treated in some corners as the final nail in the coffin of the climate emergency - or yet another outrageous, vote-chasing flip-flop - really, it is neither. It is simply an acknowledgement that the notion of a separate deadline for a market of the UK’s size was, at best, ill-conceived and poorly executed, and at worst, trumped-up navel-gazing. At the same time, it does not signal any kind of real reprieve for fossil-fuel-based combustion, because a) you were always going to be able to buy petrol-electric hybrid cars till 2035 anyway b) manufacturers will continue to wind up production that the industry considers loss-making in the long run, and c) the engine as we know it is heading either for novelty value or mind-bending, ultra low-volume expense. Probably both. Save for a significant advancement in synthetic fuel, it seems nothing can save us from that now. 


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Roma101

Original Poster:

859 posts

177 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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This is going to be an interesting thread.

For what it’s worth, my view is he didn’t really have any choice but to postpone to 2035.

tinyboytim

136 posts

85 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Excellent news for petrolheads. Not so great for 2nd hand electric car values though. I mean who actually wants to be forced to buy anything they do not want. Going to delay the charging infrastructure perhaps?

carlo996

6,815 posts

51 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Mark my words, the ICE ban will be diluted further.

Antj

1,149 posts

230 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Watch the markets tomorrow morning, this is just the firing signal that they are going to announce a spring election I reckon

Scoobysaurus

360 posts

127 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Will many manufacturers actually still be offering petrol cars in 2035, the electric glitter ball has been set rolling for the masses


nickfrog

25,372 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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carlo996 said:
Mark my words, the ICE ban will be diluted further.
Done.

It would be interesting if little UK alone can change an entire global industry product orientation. Never gonna happen would be my view.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,031 posts

265 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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carlo996 said:
Mark my words, the ICE ban will be diluted further.
yes

We are years & years away.

silent ninja

867 posts

130 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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If the tax breaks on EVs continue, my next car will still be an EV. If not, I'd happily buy a petrol.

swisstoni

24,043 posts

309 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Frankly it really doesn’t matter what Rishi says about anything post Jan 2025.

Barchettaman

7,279 posts

162 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Antj said:
Watch the markets tomorrow morning, this is just the firing signal that they are going to announce a spring election I reckon
Eh? Is the Fixed-term Parliaments Act no more?

carlo996

6,815 posts

51 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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swisstoni said:
Frankly it really doesn’t matter what Rishi says about anything post Jan 2025.
EFA

Andy86GT

1,172 posts

95 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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So is the 5 year 2030 to 2035 hybrid phase simply cancelled and now it's as we are till 2035 then full EV?

nismo48

7,104 posts

237 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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carlo996 said:
swisstoni said:
Frankly it really doesn’t matter what Rishi says about anything post Jan 2025.
EFA
smile

ChrisCh86

1,131 posts

74 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Given that both the EU and California have 2035 targets for ICE bans, this seems like a sensible move given the relatively small size of the UK market.

In practice I don't think it'll make much difference as manufacturers are building to global demand, not just the UK. We're all transitioning to a low carbon future - and that will continue.

Whether that's happening fast enough is something that's ultimately outside of the UK's control.

vaud

59,627 posts

185 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Scoobysaurus said:
Will many manufacturers actually still be offering petrol cars in 2035, the electric glitter ball has been set rolling for the masses
I think so because lots of countries won't have the infrastructure for charging, but your options might be limited to 1 ICE unit and 2 models.

foxhounduk

703 posts

210 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Postpone it 3035 please.
Don't want to drive a 800hp milk float.
This is PISTONheads remember.
Not Batteryheads.

AC43

13,628 posts

238 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Common sense prevails. I might get a sub-£10k BEV as a London runaround at some point. Maybe. But, for a plethora of other reasons, the other one was going be petrol for the forseeable anyway.

Andy665

4,172 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Like no one could see that delay coming

How long before its pushed back another 5 years

Does not really mean that much if ICE engines are being phased out by most manufacturers because of a worldwide ban - personally have no idea where other major vehicle markets sit on their bans or lack of them

This is a complete irrelevance for the vast majority of manufacturers, their decisions are based on the markets where they sell most of their vehicles and not a solely UK policy basis

Edited by Andy665 on Wednesday 20th September 19:23

GT9

9,017 posts

202 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Andy86GT said:
So is the 5 year 2030 to 2035 hybrid phase simply cancelled and now it's as we are till 2035 then full EV?
Yes, it aligns with EU policy, which was going to happen in practice anyway.

Most European cars will be hybrid by 2030 or pure EV.

vaud

59,627 posts

185 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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As an aside it will help the govt with tax as they won't have to phase in a significant EV tax... while able to raise vehicle tax rates in the coming years (or Labour will be forced to).