RE: Caterham 7 CSR 260 | Spotted
RE: Caterham 7 CSR 260 | Spotted
Monday 2nd October 2023

Caterham 7 CSR 260 | Spotted

There have been countless special Sevens over the years - none quite so special as the CSR


Obviously it's a testament to the inherent rightness of the Caterham Seven that little has altered over the past 50 years. It remains light, fast, simple, joyous fun on four wheels. The supercharged 620R won our best track car since 1998 against some esteemed competition, but truthfully any Seven chosen over the past 25 years would have been in with a shot. Nothing out there so perfectly blends speed and entertainment with responsiveness and purity. 

It should be noted, however, that efforts to evolve the Seven haven’t typically been well received. All the more reason not to tweak the recipe. The 21, for example, just didn’t strike a chord with buyers. The AeroSeven concept never really went anywhere. And the Levnate proved that there probably was a thing as too extreme a Seven. 

In the early part of the 21st century, the CSR was meant to be the most fundamental rethink of the Seven in decades. A redesign meant enhanced traditional rigidity and improved aero, with double wishbones at each corner, coilovers, and an independent rear axle replacing the standard Seven’s more rudimentary setup. That really was just the start, too, with a Cosworth-fettled 2.3 Duratec also fitted, alongside an overhauled interior, revised steering, bespoke tyres… while still looking a lot like a Seven (note the flat front wheelarches for aero benefit). 

To drive, the S5-based, wider-bodied CSR was borderline extraordinary, a more mature and more capable Seven - albeit one with the inimitable appeal of loads of power moving not much weight. ‘This is one breathtakingly fast Seven, yet even when the Cossie engine is hollering loudly in the higher gears, the chassis remains relaxed and poised’, read one review; another said the CSR was ‘light years’ ahead of previous Sevens: ‘Whereas before you felt every drive was a white-knuckle ride, now you have the thrills without the fear’. Which makes it sound like the perfect Seven, but of course the rawness was part of the appeal for many. And a CSR, reflecting the engineering effort invested, was a chunk more money. 

So there aren’t many around these days, especially in the full-fat 260hp spec (a 200hp version was also offered). On PH at the moment there’s one 260 advertised as a project, then this car - a 2005 Titanium Grey example with just 18,000 miles. It’s a stunner, all the more interesting for those little CSR details that mark it out and wouldn’t normally be noticed.

The rep and rarity of the CSR - combined with the strong residuals enjoyed by all Sevens - means one this good isn’t a cheap buy. It’s for sale at £41,995, which would buy a factory-built 360R for those willing to wait. But as the ultimate evolution of perhaps the ultimate track car - with more power than any naturally aspirated Seven available now - it isn’t hard to understand the temptation. There are still a few track days left this year…


SPECIFICATION | CATERHAM CSR 260

Engine: 2,261cc four-cylinder
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 264@7,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 200@6,200rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 2005
Recorded miles: 17,603
Price new: £37,000
Price now: £41,995

See the original advert here

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Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,796 posts

185 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Never owned one.
Always wanted one.
Will have one…before my old bones prevent me from getting in and enjoying what must still be one of the purest driving experience’s available.
Btw; “And the Levnate proved that there probably was a thing as too extreme a Seven. ”
I’m pretty sure it was a Levante…

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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What a wonderful thing. I can only imagine the visceral driving experience this provides

Pflanzgarten

7,626 posts

55 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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A seven is something all driving enthusiasts should experience at some point in life.

soad

34,673 posts

206 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Pflanzgarten said:
A seven is something all driving enthusiasts should experience at some point in life.
I fancy hiring one for a blast through North Wales, perhaps not this year.

cerb4.5lee

44,796 posts

210 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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The interior changes on this model look really smart I reckon, and I bet that it is an absolute riot to drive too. driving

jason61c

5,978 posts

204 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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there's a few around for less cash.

https://turn7.co.uk/showroom/caterham-csr-260/

it needs some TLC but 30k should get it. its the one i'd go for.


Turn7

25,731 posts

251 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Shall we talk about rear suspension mounts ?

SpudLink

8,175 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Turn7 said:
Shall we talk about rear suspension mounts ?
Tell us more.

Also, can anyone tell me why Caterham never adopted all round double wishbones more widely? I've not driven the CSR, but it seems to me the CSR suspension would make every Seven better.

GreatScott2016

2,532 posts

118 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Always fancied one of these and there's nothing actually stopping me ... other than the dignity (or lack of) in getting in and out of one. It's an age thing smile

chrisironside

970 posts

192 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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I've twice hired a Caterham Supersport SV (~140bhp) and both days have been about the most enjoyment I've had in a car.
I've owned an Integra Type R and I've driven a 997.1 GT3 and S1 Elise amongst others, but the level of connection to the Caterham is just unrivalled (imo). If I won the lottery a Caterham would be very high on the order list - which one I don't know, but surely nirvana for just about every petrolhead.

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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SpudLink said:
Turn7 said:
Shall we talk about rear suspension mounts ?
Tell us more.

Also, can anyone tell me why Caterham never adopted all round double wishbones more widely? I've not driven the CSR, but it seems to me the CSR suspension would make every Seven better.
LINKA

In fairness, the standard design has its own issues (shall we talk about diff. mounts or A-frame bushes; not to mention the bodges to the original design to reinforce the front and rear suspension as tyre grip has increased over the years?).

That's not the reason that Caterham didn't adopt IRS more widely though: failure of the CSR was partly down to cost, partly down to customer resistance.

It would be possible to convert the standard car to IRS - virtually every other Locaterfield type has it at least as an option, and has done for decades - but why bother when your buyers don't demand it?

The CSR was a good car, stymied by the usual Caterham problem that the people who buy them aren't interested in anything except what they see as the 'original' (Designed by Colin Chapman, dontcha know?hehe) design.

SpudLink

8,175 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Equus said:
SpudLink said:
Turn7 said:
Shall we talk about rear suspension mounts ?
Tell us more.

Also, can anyone tell me why Caterham never adopted all round double wishbones more widely? I've not driven the CSR, but it seems to me the CSR suspension would make every Seven better.
LINKA

In fairness, the standard design has its own issues (shall we talk about diff. mounts or A-frame bushes; not to mention the bodges to the original design to reinforce the front and rear suspension as tyre grip has increased over the years?).

That's not the reason that Caterham didn't adopt IRS more widely though: failure of the CSR was partly down to cost, partly down to customer resistance.

It would be possible to convert the standard car to IRS - virtually every other Locaterfield type has it at least as an option, and has done for decades - but why bother when your buyers don't demand it?

The CSR was a good car, stymied by the usual Caterham problem that the people who buy them aren't interested in anything except what they see as the 'original' (Designed by Colin Chapman, dontcha know?hehe) design.
Thanks.
Seems the suspension mount issue was pretty serious (dangerous). But at least Caterham have acknowledged it.





Edited by SpudLink on Monday 2nd October 09:08

Turn7

25,731 posts

251 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Caterham only publicly acknowledged it after some owners made it known and started talking to Vosa/dvla types….

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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SpudLink said:
Thanks. Seems the suspension mount issue was pretty serious (dangerous).
It was, but it's fixable ...and 'was' is the operative word. if you own one of these cars, you will almost certainly know about it, by now - although that's no reason for Caterham not to issue a formal recall. Probably no worse or more serious than the Lotus Elise rear toe link issue, though.

Lots of spaceframe cars (not least the 'normal' Caterham) have known weak points. Most are developed out in production, as they become apparent (though Caterhams have a few that they've never really got properly to grips with, in terms of a proper and elegant solution) The CSR never had enough sales to undergo that production development, unfortunately.

pycraft

1,472 posts

214 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Augustus Windsock said:
Btw; “And the Levnate proved that there probably was a thing as too extreme a Seven. ”
I’m pretty sure it was a Levante…
Nah, it was named after Lev and Nate, the two designers.

Bobby Lee

303 posts

85 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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“none quite so special as the CSR”

Think the JPE, BDR HPC, and R500 might have something to say about that.

911Spanker

3,685 posts

46 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Yep, it's not a special Caterham in my opinion.

braddo

12,344 posts

218 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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That's a bit harsh - it's still a special 7 even if there would never be agreement on what is the most special 7 ever.

It would intriguing to see how a CSR 260 compares to a R500 and 620 on i) some B roads, ii) Cadwell and iii) Spa. Aren't the CSRs the quickest ever A-B Caterhams in the real world thanks to their IRS?


Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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Any car that has roller barrel bodies from factory is pretty special imho.

SpudLink

8,175 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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braddo said:
That's a bit harsh - it's still a special 7 even if there would never be agreement on what is the most special 7 ever.

It would intriguing to see how a CSR 260 compares to a R500 and 620 on i) some B roads, ii) Cadwell and iii) Spa. Aren't the CSRs the quickest ever A-B Caterhams in the real world thanks to their IRS?
I assumed this is what the article was referring to, not the power.