RE: Incoming Supra GRMN takes to the Nurburgring
RE: Incoming Supra GRMN takes to the Nurburgring
Tuesday 17th October 2023

Incoming Supra GRMN takes to the Nurburgring 

Toyota's flagship sports car has been crying out for a proper performance derivative - this might be it


Credit where it’s due to Toyota, it’s typically very good at ensuring ideas (eventually) reach their full potential. Their take on a forced induction Yaris hot hatch kicked off very well with the old GRMN, to then become the all-conquering GR (with a new GRMN for Japan just to force the point home). The GT86 was likeable but imperfect; the GR86 is an unmitigated joy. Now it looks like it’s the Supra’s turn to find its best self. 

This car is believed to be the Supra GRMN, and it’s difficult not to get carried away by the prospect. The standard GR is pretty good for starters, if slightly confused - not sure whether it wants to be a long-legged GT or super sharp sports car. The test mule points much more towards being an example of the latter, as we’ve come to expect from Toyotas with the Gazoo Racing Masters of the Nurburgring badge.

Note the chunky new aero add-ons (handily covered in Toyota’s trademark GR camo), additional ducting, what must be a lower ride height, and bigger brakes tucked behind a new design of alloy wheel. All of the A90 Supras have looked great, and this one is no exception. 

It’s under the bonnet where things could get really exciting for the GRMN, however. The Supra project was (in)famously a collaboration between Toyota and BMW, with the latter’s 340hp B58 straight six and 258hp 2.0-litre B48 four-pot powering the coupe. For this model, it’s suggested that the M3/M4’s S58 twin-turbo could be used, which would be quite the turn-up. We know it would fit because of the existing 3.0-litre that’s in there, and in the non-Competition 480hp spec (or even a bit less) there would be headroom between the super-duper Supra and the M cars as well as a useful gain over the standard GRs. 

Furthermore, a manual gearbox is being mooted. Which, actually, could make a lot of sense. In the world we live in right now, a premium could be charged to purists for a six-speed and help make the business case - see BMW’s 3.0 CSL. Also, in non-Comp spec the 3.0-litre six is rated at 406lb ft - or just 37lb ft more than the existing 3.0 Supra GR with Toyota’s own manual. That transmission would surely have been designed with more than just a few standard models in mind, and it’d be a surprise to find it unable to handle just a little more than standard. 

All falls into place quite nicely, right? Just don’t blame us if it comes out with a remap of the standard engine and the eight-speed auto. The good news for now is that Toyota seems dead set on a Supra GRMN, on properly realising what the platform is really capable of. And that should be exciting for all of us. Bring on 2024 already.


Image credit | S. Baldauf/ITZ Media

 

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Shedonomics

Original Poster:

10 posts

48 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I will be extremely surprised if this gets the S58. Remember the B58 in the 340i has near 380bhp. I really wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t just a cosmetic/suspension overhaul à la the limited run GT86s.
Will be more than happy surprised, though!

Water Fairy

6,610 posts

185 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I hope you're wrong.

In the nicest possible way of course.

Motormouth88

785 posts

90 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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It’s also been crying out for a restyle since day one

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

187 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Assume it will be more suspension and handling maybe different exhaust

chrisironside

968 posts

192 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I've never been a massive fan of the new Supra, but that looks nice. And if it does get the M4 motor in it that looks like quite the proposition. Good work!

Baldchap

9,629 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Surely if they're nudging 500bhp they'd go AWD like BMW have.

daveco

4,410 posts

237 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Shedonomics said:
I will be extremely surprised if this gets the S58. Remember the B58 in the 340i has near 380bhp. I really wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t just a cosmetic/suspension overhaul à la the limited run GT86s.
Will be more than happy surprised, though!
Whatever it is they will be the only ones offering a comprehensive Toyota warranty! Worth the sticker price alone for the peace of mind.


TikTak

3,096 posts

49 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Wonder if they'd leave a bigger upgrade for a more universal release? Either way should have made the whole thing in the camo colour to set eyes whizzing.

ex-devonpaul

1,745 posts

167 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I can imagine the conversation...
"We're taking the new version of the Supra to test at the 'ring"
"OK, aren't you concerned about people noticing it is supposed to be something special?"
"Good point - we'll stick some camo wrap on to help highlight the differences".

Striple

365 posts

171 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I'm actually sat in a Toyota dealership now and these look so much better in real life than on photos. It will be interesting to see if this will be more racer ethos or still clinging onto cruiser aspirations

ucb

1,112 posts

242 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Love it
Would have one anytime

Fetchez la vache

5,903 posts

244 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Surely the person taking the photos would have heard weather it was a manual or not?scratchchin

Wab1974uk

1,401 posts

57 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Shedonomics said:
I will be extremely surprised if this gets the S58. Remember the B58 in the 340i has near 380bhp. I really wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t just a cosmetic/suspension overhaul à la the limited run GT86s.
Will be more than happy surprised, though!
I think you're right. They have a history of cosmetic tweaks and very little else. Price will be silly though.

fantheman80

2,640 posts

79 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I will (happily) eat my camo wrapped hat if it gets the M4 engine. I believe a nudge in power and handling bits will be the treatment


cerb4.5lee

44,770 posts

210 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I've personally always liked the way these look, and nn additional bump in power will be another bonus then I reckon.

Ultrafunkula

1,022 posts

135 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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I thought the B58 in the standard Supra had a power bump to 380bhp in 2021 along with chassis tweaks, or was that only in the US? I've been looking at these and that keeps coming up, apparently they are like a different animal after the refresh.

BrettMRC

6,021 posts

190 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Ultrafunkula said:
I thought the B58 in the standard Supra had a power bump to 380bhp in 2021 along with chassis tweaks, or was that only in the US? I've been looking at these and that keeps coming up, apparently they are like a different animal after the refresh.
The UK & EU has the 2 port engine only, so 340whp, other markets get the 6 port with 380bhp.

Ultrafunkula

1,022 posts

135 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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BrettMRC said:
The UK & EU has the 2 port engine only, so 340whp, other markets get the 6 port with 380bhp.
Righto, that makes sense.

blearyeyedboy

6,811 posts

209 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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This is reminiscent of the Jaguar F-Type spy shots, with eye-catching camouflage and all the discretion of a Big Brother winner's autobiography.

shout "Oh dear, I hope there's no one around to photograph our extra-special prototype... Anyone? I said, did anyone overheard about us testing the super-secret new car?"

rolleyes

C'mon, this PR tactic by manufacturers is getting old. Show me the car when it's ready, please.

shalmaneser

6,449 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Ultrafunkula said:
BrettMRC said:
The UK & EU has the 2 port engine only, so 340whp, other markets get the 6 port with 380bhp.
Righto, that makes sense.
I too was confused: