Consumers turn their back to electric vehicles
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Mintbird said:
cheap ones with a lengthy warranty will always have a customer base for a 3-5 year use cycle and then basically bin them - but the more expensive ones 50K+ you have consumers worrying about residuals which wont be very good
The battery warranty is 8 years. I don't understand why you would bin them? Also, battery degradation doesn't appear to be much of an issue.
Mintbird said:
So why do the sales just keep on rising? Why is the Tesla model Y the best selling car in the whole of Europe?Why are 90% of new car sales in Norway electric?
You can scream at the sky all you like old man, just like people did with gas central heating, TV, radio, mobile phones & the internet.
The future is EV.
autumnsum said:
The future is EV.
I think it is, but it will take a while. It didn't help that the gov changed their minds on the introduction date which just confuses people.I'd like to swap my Golf for an EV today, but right at the moment there is nowhere to charge it for the journeys I do. So I've turned my back for a few years.
For the last year I've been looking out for EV chargers on my journeys and noting the lack of them, or the silly handful of 7kW chargers for 20,000+ residents of a town.
It's likely in 3-4 years I'll switch, when there are plentiful chargers and longer range batteries but for now it's not possible - unless I bought a long range Tesla Y as they are the only ones with the charging network where I go. Second hand prices in 3 years should be reasonable too.
Having had id3 loan cars for several days, I can see the benefits.
Whataguy said:
autumnsum said:
The future is EV.
I think it is, but it will take a while. It didn't help that the gov changed their minds on the introduction date which just confuses people.I'd like to swap my Golf for an EV today, but right at the moment there is nowhere to charge it for the journeys I do. So I've turned my back for a few years.
For the last year I've been looking out for EV chargers on my journeys and noting the lack of them, or the silly handful of 7kW chargers for 20,000+ residents of a town.
It's likely in 3-4 years I'll switch, when there are plentiful chargers and longer range batteries but for now it's not possible - unless I bought a long range Tesla Y as they are the only ones with the charging network where I go. Second hand prices in 3 years should be reasonable too.
Having had id3 loan cars for several days, I can see the benefits.
Mintbird said:
cheap ones with a lengthy warranty will always have a customer base for a 3-5 year use cycle and then basically bin them - but the more expensive ones 50K+ you have consumers worrying about residuals which wont be very good
Norway is the most electrified fleet in the world isn't it? And close to 100% EV for new sales.
Are you hoping for some kind of massive reversal of this?
autumnsum said:
The future is EV.
Yes, cheap "white goods" EVs with decent range.Fact is, customers who were early adopters have paid over the top for their vehicles - unless they've been company cars or doing mega mileage.
Notwithstanding Tesla's success it's always appeared inevitable that once the mass market got geared up they'd be eaten alive. Alreday they'bve been forced to make big price cuts.
Fundamentally the cars need to be cheap enough to be disposable (OK, recyclable) after a few years rather then needing a new battery installed at huge expense.
GT9 said:
Norway is the most electrified fleet in the world isn't it?
And close to 100% EV for new sales.
Are you hoping for some kind of massive reversal of this?
are you aware of current market in norway? Im in the businessAnd close to 100% EV for new sales.
Are you hoping for some kind of massive reversal of this?
Aside from teslas nothing is selling, you have VW salesmen who hasnt had a single sale in 2023.
car dealers wont take em in trade in.
its a crisis.
Panamax said:
autumnsum said:
The future is EV.
Fundamentally the cars need to be cheap enough to be disposable (OK, recyclable) after a few years rather then needing a new battery installed at huge expense.it's really weird - I can't tell if it's just the press or the fact I have a client in the automotive industry and thus talk to enthusiasts a lot...............but............I know hardly anyone that wants an EV as a daily everydayer
of the people I know that have bought them they go into three categories.
1. Bought and are happy, but have other cars - and these are high end EVs like the Porsche Taycan etc
2. Bought and hate them, these are the mid range type ones, say 50k ish (can't believe I'm saying that is mid range) to the last man and women when they change they'll go back to ICE
3. Like the idea of taking an old tech car (such as a Defender, Etype, Mk2 escort) and are converting them, this is more just as a expensive fun project situation and obviously they have other cars.
It tends to lead me to the conclusion that the average consumer still isn't ready, and with the extensions constantly, suspect it'll be ICE for the foreseeable.
I personally can't see a signal reason to buy one - although one of the things we have at home is a hybrid, quite like the modern aspect of the car, and it's economical partly due to the hybrid. That said, I'd have to do some calculations, without the weight of the unnecessarily electric bits, a Mk8 Fiesta ICE would probably be as economical and cheaper.
of the people I know that have bought them they go into three categories.
1. Bought and are happy, but have other cars - and these are high end EVs like the Porsche Taycan etc
2. Bought and hate them, these are the mid range type ones, say 50k ish (can't believe I'm saying that is mid range) to the last man and women when they change they'll go back to ICE
3. Like the idea of taking an old tech car (such as a Defender, Etype, Mk2 escort) and are converting them, this is more just as a expensive fun project situation and obviously they have other cars.
It tends to lead me to the conclusion that the average consumer still isn't ready, and with the extensions constantly, suspect it'll be ICE for the foreseeable.
I personally can't see a signal reason to buy one - although one of the things we have at home is a hybrid, quite like the modern aspect of the car, and it's economical partly due to the hybrid. That said, I'd have to do some calculations, without the weight of the unnecessarily electric bits, a Mk8 Fiesta ICE would probably be as economical and cheaper.
Mintbird said:
are you aware of current market in norway? Im in the business
Aside from teslas nothing is selling, you have VW salesmen who hasnt had a single sale in 2023.
car dealers wont take em in trade in.
its a crisis.
What a weird comment to make up.Aside from teslas nothing is selling, you have VW salesmen who hasnt had a single sale in 2023.
car dealers wont take em in trade in.
its a crisis.
VW have sold 13,646 EV this year in Norway.
autumnsum said:
So why do the sales just keep on rising? Why is the Tesla model Y the best selling car in the whole of Europe?
Why are 90% of new car sales in Norway electric?
You can scream at the sky all you like old man, just like people did with gas central heating, TV, radio, mobile phones & the internet.
The future is EV.
Same thing was said in 1900….didn’t turn out that way did it…Why are 90% of new car sales in Norway electric?
You can scream at the sky all you like old man, just like people did with gas central heating, TV, radio, mobile phones & the internet.
The future is EV.
Mintbird said:
are you aware of current market in norway? Im in the business
Aside from teslas nothing is selling, you have VW salesmen who hasnt had a single sale in 2023.
car dealers wont take em in trade in.
its a crisis.
No, I can't say I am.Aside from teslas nothing is selling, you have VW salesmen who hasnt had a single sale in 2023.
car dealers wont take em in trade in.
its a crisis.
What is the crisis, if it's dealers not making enough profit what are the ways forward?
Sell more new ICEs?
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