RE: New Porsche Panamera unveiled in Shanghai
RE: New Porsche Panamera unveiled in Shanghai
Friday 24th November 2023

New Porsche Panamera unveiled in Shanghai

Third generation model delivers host of evolutionary updates - retains familiar look


Kudos, surely, must be afforded Porsche for continuing to build the Panamera when it already produces a remarkably well-received - and now well-established - electric saloon that does nearly all of the same things. But the launch of the model’s third generation, with significant improvements everywhere, if not a significantly different look, is confirmation that the Panamera is here to stay. Presumably till the end of the decade, at least. 

This is absolutely a good thing. The saloon may have spent much of its life being dramatically overshadowed by the sales behemoth that is the Cayenne, but its reputation as a top-notch saloon has never taken a backward step. Indeed, the Panamera is generally considered to have improved with age, and the platform it shares with Bentley has underpinned some truly spectacular road cars. With any luck, Porsche’s claim for the new version - ‘more digital, more luxurious, more efficient’ - ought to continue the trend. 

Let’s deal with ‘luxurious’ first, as it seems like the manufacturer is most excited about that bit. Specifically, it has to do with the option of something called Porsche Active Ride, which is said to surpass the dual-chamber PASM setup fitted as standard. The latter, which separates the rebound and compression stages, thereby increasing the effective bandwidth of the damper control, is familiar. The former also features two-valve dampers, but these are connected to an electrically operated hydraulic pump and a single-chamber air suspension system. 

The combination is said to offer ‘an unprecedented range between driving comfort and driving dynamics’ because it is better able to respond in a targeted manner. In fact, Porsche reckons it can ‘counteract and almost completely compensate for the forces resulting from the road excitation’. And not just in the established way of being better able to keep the Panamera flat and ideally balanced, but also in overcompensating for pitch and roll to reduce the impact on occupants. In this setting, Porsche says ‘the new Panamera leans into the corners like a motorcycle’ which ought to be interesting in a two-tonne saloon. 

On that score, probably it is no coincidence that Active Ride will be offered to E-Hybrid buyers. Eventually, there will be four derivatives, but the Turbo E-Hybrid is the first to launch. Like the new Cayenne equivalent, this benefits from the introduction of the updated 4.0-litre V8, combined with a newly developed 190hp electric motor integrated into the housing of the eight-speed PDK. Overall you’ll get 680hp from the union (and 3.2 seconds to 62mph) although ‘more efficient’ obviously refers to the larger capacity 25.9kWh battery, which is said to offer an electric range of 56 miles. A new 11kW onboard AC charger is said to shorten charging time to as little as 2 hours and 39 minutes. 

If the thought of buying a petrol-electric hybrid over a Taycan has you bemusedly rubbing your temples, then rest assured that part of the Panamera lineup will remain strictly fossil-fuelled. The entry-level rear-drive model and the all-wheel drive 4 are also available from today, and both feature the modified 2.9-litre V6 with 353hp - a 23hp improvement over the previous iteration. Together with 369lb ft of torque, the standard Panamera is capable of 5.1 seconds to 62mph and 169mph, while the 4 counters with 4.8 seconds and 168mph. Which, as ever, ought to seem fairly spirited in a car that measures more than 5 metres in length and approaches 2 metres in width. 

Those proportions are tucked into a very familiar styling package. Needless to say, Porsche claims the result is ‘even more expressive’ but, detailed light and bumper design aside, the significant alternations seem to be limited to an additional air intake above the number plate and a revised window line. The manufacturer has tried a little harder with the Turbo E-Hybrid (guess which variant it’s hoping to sell), adding ‘a distinctive rear apron with painted diffuser panels and a unique front apron in body colour’. So there’s that, not to mention chrome-plated tailpipes in dark bronze and the exclusive Turbonite colour we talked about just last week.

We’ve also talked about the Panamera’s new interior previously, as Porsche opted to reveal it ahead of the car’s official unveiling at Shanghai. There’s a good reason for that: it far outstrips the exterior for relevance. And that’s because the new Porsche Driver Experience cockpit bears many of the Taycan’s hallmarks, including relocating the gear selector next to the steering wheel and providing an optional 10.9-inch touchscreen for the passenger. Happily, good sense has prevailed elsewhere, and along with the drive modes migrating to the steering wheel mounted control familiar from the 911, the Panamera retains analogue switchgear for the HVAC system. 

Inevitably though, ‘more digital’ is a defining characteristic of the new surroundings, not just in the ability to scan a QR code to log in with your personal Porsche ID or the more sophisticated integration of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, but also in an expanded range of assistance systems that includes active speed assist, active lane guidance and a new Remote ParkAssist function that doesn’t actually require you to be in the car. We look forward to that and much else besides when the new generation makes it back from China - but if you’re already convinced, the latest Panamera (£79,500), Panamera 4 (£82,500) and Turbo E-Hybrid (£141,400) are available to order from today. Expect customer deliveries to kick off in March 2024.


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Robertb

Original Poster:

3,865 posts

268 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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I think you uploaded exterior pictures of the last model?

asci.white

558 posts

103 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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The rear definitely retains the current 911 style so they are definitely trying their best to create an identity across the ranges.

I hope it works as well as it does on paper. Sounds like a nice car.

Edited by asci.white on Friday 24th November 13:50

Macboy

784 posts

235 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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I enjoyed driving the current generation Panamera but I just wished it was smaller - certainly not inside where it's a bit of a reverse tardis - it's just longer and wider than it needs to be. Better packaged it could still be a four seater but wouldn't be so hard to park and drive in the narrow lanes where I live. The new model will no doubt be subtly larger all round (when are they not) and it really would be better (for me at least) if it were 9/10ths scale.

V 02

2,420 posts

90 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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I normally don’t get it when people say “it looks the same” about Porsches but I seriously can’t tell the difference inside or out.

All the better then for buying a used Panamera.

ChrisCh86

1,128 posts

74 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Looks like they haven't bothered designing a new car, is this the same platform and shell as the last model?

Looks more like a mild facelift to me, which is fairly sensible given the need for investment in electric only offerings.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

186 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Rear is good, front is....challenging.

56 miles on 25.9kWh pack. That's 2.1 m/kWh. Not great - I presume then the 25.9 is gross value?

bluemason

1,169 posts

153 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Robertb said:
I think you uploaded exterior pictures of the last model?
It actually looks better.The last model had looked bland.

DoctorX

8,239 posts

197 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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I used to like that very unergonomic centre console full of touch switches. Looks a bit lame now.

Murcielago_Boy

2,014 posts

269 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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When will these journos ever realise that the Taycan cannot do what the Panamera does. They’re actually not comparable.
The latter is a long distance long range luxury car.
The Taycan is an EV sports car which is done and dusted in less than 200 miles (and a lot less if it’s cold/you hoon it/you use many electric functions).
They roll out the same comparison tests on a track, conclude the Taycan is “better” but then request the Panameras keys so they can get home!

Scott-R

192 posts

135 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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How do you put it in gear? Is it just with paddles or does one of the central console nubs where the air con stuff is do it?

620S

432 posts

228 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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From the 1st to 2nd shot it lost £50k! ;-)

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Even for Porsche that's pretty lazy.

Literally can't tell the difference.

bluemason

1,169 posts

153 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Scott-R said:
How do you put it in gear? Is it just with paddles or does one of the central console nubs where the air con stuff is do it?
The gear selector is located between the sat nav and the steering wheel.

British Beef

2,572 posts

195 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Why are front drinks holders so far back? I have never understood why car manufacturers seem to add them as an afterthought.

magic Monkey Dust

407 posts

66 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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When BMW go from one completely different design direction to another and back again within a model series I find it great Porsche stick by their guns in the face of criticism. The driver of a 10 year old Panamera doesn't feel left behind just evolved from.

DaveTheRave87

2,155 posts

119 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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I've always had a thing for Panameras. Even the ugly 1st gen.

They just seem like the type of car where you'd need your passport if you were going for a drive.

I'd have a Turbo e-Hybrid in a heartbeat if my lotto numbers came up.

samoht

7,256 posts

176 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Ok guys, I've found the difference!

The trailing edge of the side glass on the old car forms one continuous curve from beltline to cant rail, whereas on the new car it's got two discrete kinks in it.

Old:


New:

bluemason

1,169 posts

153 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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samoht said:
Ok guys, I've found the difference!

The trailing edge of the side glass on the old car forms one continuous curve from beltline to cant rail, whereas on the new car it's got two discrete kinks in it.

Old:


New:
I cannot tell the difference. Apart from the back drop.

DaveyBoyWonder

3,911 posts

204 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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"retains familiar look"

really?

Nomme de Plum

7,050 posts

46 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Both versions of the Taycan look better and IMO is the better car overall.