RE: Ineos Quartermaster production begins
RE: Ineos Quartermaster production begins
Monday 27th November 2023

Ineos Quartermaster production begins

First pick-ups roll off the production line in France; deliveries should start before the year is out


Following a debut at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in July, production has begun of the Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster. The double-cab pick up is being assembled on the same production line in Hambach, France, as the Station Wagon, and will be offered across the globe; European deliveries are expected before the end of 2023, with North America, Asia Pacific, Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa to follow in 2024. 

The big sell of the Quartermaster over the standard Grenadier will be the fact it is so damn big. It rides on a wheelbase fully 305mm longer than the Station Wagon, at 3,227mm; overall vehicle length is 5,400mm, width is 2,146mm with the mirrors out and it’s 2,019mm tall. So be careful at the car park. If the Quartermaster looks big in the production hall, that’s because it really is huge.

The benefit, of course, will be in what it can carry: Ineos says that a 1200mm x 800mm Euro pallet fits in ‘with ease’, and the bed can hold up to 760kg. A chassis cab version is going to follow as well, the back of the truck exposed for customers to add on what they wish; it’s going to be aimed at ‘conversion specialists’ as well as ‘commercial body builders’ (not the ones flogging dody supplements on social media, presumably). 

The oily bits of the Quartermaster are identical to those employed by the regular Grenadier, meaning BMW engines (3.0-litre petrol or diesel), ZF eight-speed auto, a ladder frame chassis, two-speed transfer cases, solid beam axles and up to three locking diffs. Wherever a Station Wagon could reach, a Quartermaster is going to follow. Just while looking a bit cooler.

“The start of production for our second model line is another extremely exciting and important milestone for Ineos Automotive.” said Lynn Calder, Ineos Automotive CEO. “As part of the final sign-off process I drove a late prototype in both Spain and the African bush and it’s unbeatable off-road, combining the rugged capability and refined performance of the Station Wagon with the enormous load bay that can carry a huge amount of kit and cargo. It’s a great addition to our model line-up.”

For those that haven’t yet placed an order and are eagerly awaiting their Christmas present, Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster prices kick off at £66,215. That price makes it comparable more with the £65k five-seat Utility Wagon than the plusher Station Wagon, which is from £76,000. Like the SW, the Quartermaster range will also include a Trialmaster Edition (£73,715) and a Fieldmaster Edition at the same money. We’ll endeavour to get behind the wheel as soon as possible!


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Frimley111R

Original Poster:

19,238 posts

264 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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How are sales for these things?

oilit

2,809 posts

208 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31

TinpotTintop

148 posts

61 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.

JJJ.

5,573 posts

45 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While originally stating they'd be built in the U.K..

Macboy

784 posts

235 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I think Lynn Calder hasn't driven or used many pickups if she thinks this loadbed is "enormous". I stuggle to understand this addition to their lookey-likey Land Rover range in the UK. The loadbed is as wildly impractical as any other small pickup but it's the best part of £70k not £40k. I'd also hazard a guess that with the additional size and weight it won't be VAT reclaimable again or if it has a 1000kg payload it'd be over 3500kg meaning you'd need a Cat C license.

Police State

4,367 posts

250 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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JJJ. said:
TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While originally stating they'd be built in the U.K..
Which begs the question; why has Pistonheads placed it under a 'Featured/British Cars' title?


nismo48

7,085 posts

237 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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JJJ. said:
TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While originally stating they'd be built in the U.K..
Definitely not settled yet wink

J4CKO

46,855 posts

230 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Ok, it looks like an old Landrover, but it isnt exactly cheap, so what would be the reason to buy one instead of the new actual Land Rover ?

bnseven

172 posts

168 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Macboy said:
I think Lynn Calder hasn't driven or used many pickups if she thinks this loadbed is "enormous". I stuggle to understand this addition to their lookey-likey Land Rover range in the UK. The loadbed is as wildly impractical as any other small pickup but it's the best part of £70k not £40k. I'd also hazard a guess that with the additional size and weight it won't be VAT reclaimable again or if it has a 1000kg payload it'd be over 3500kg meaning you'd need a Cat C license.
says 760kg in the article so wont be vat reclaimable in UK on that basis. Would that be a payload based on Driver only ? With five up you wont get much on your euro pallet....

Horsebox Man

107 posts

46 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While wanting to frack our countryside to bits....

GianiCakes

688 posts

103 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I don’t mind the look of that in the pictures but they can appear a bit Snouty in the flesh. Big car although, per collecting addicts podcast, powerfully built Director types don’t fit very well and the ergonomics are poor.
It seems to have been a car deliberately designed from the outset to be old fashioned and, well, just not that good. The reviews I’ve read would suggest they succeeded in that goal.

oilit

2,809 posts

208 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Didnt realise he was a fracker !

draig

26 posts

200 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Having spent time in my friends Grenadier :
I would have expected a much better build quality and less noise at that price point. Its road manners are poor also. I’m sure it’s great for the off-road environment but it’s a no from me , sadly

WCZ

11,518 posts

224 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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draig said:
Having spent time in my friends Grenadier :
I would have expected a much better build quality and less noise at that price point. Its road manners are poor also. I’m sure it’s great for the off-road environment but it’s a no from me , sadly
it got a terrible review in autocar/evo recently iirc

Sway

35,158 posts

224 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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JJJ. said:
TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While originally stating they'd be built in the U.K..
Being gifted a very expensive factory - with interim income stream - instead of having to pay for one to be built trumps any and all political elements...

The coachbuilders variant could well be the biggest seller. Plenty of call for an off the beaten track capable specialist conversion. Just like all the coach built old Defenders in use by utility companies, etc.

B10

1,378 posts

297 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Horsebox Man said:
TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While wanting to frack our countryside to bits....
Plus little / no engineering done in the UK either. Mostly subbed out to Germany and Austria. At least the Defender is designed and engineered in the UK using UK made engines and many other parts despite being assembled in Slovakia.

JJJ.

5,573 posts

45 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Police State said:
JJJ. said:
TinpotTintop said:
oilit said:
Great question - on how many left it suggests 760 have been sold in the uk (sorry taxed / sorned)

They actually look ok in the flesh (seen one in a particularly likeable metallic blue)

It just annoys me that they are built by a guy who was pro brexit and then builds the damn things in France!

Edited by oilit on Monday 27th November 11:31
... and then moved to Monaco.
While originally stating they'd be built in the U.K..
Which begs the question; why has Pistonheads placed it under a 'Featured/British Cars' title?
Come on now!biggrin

He's British, a Sir, a Tory donor, a Brexiteer, London pub owner and all the vehicles have military names while being a facsimile of the old Defender. Easy to assume they're build in the U.K. And politically it probably suits PH to put them under the heading of 'British cars'.

V41LEY

3,022 posts

268 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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TVR take note !

oilit

2,809 posts

208 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Sway said:
Being gifted a very expensive factory - with interim income stream - instead of having to pay for one to be built trumps any and all political elements...

The coachbuilders variant could well be the biggest seller. Plenty of call for an off the beaten track capable specialist conversion. Just like all the coach built old Defenders in use by utility companies, etc.
Not sure it was free, but i agree - and would probably have done the same, but it still annoys the hell out of me

Mammasaid

5,588 posts

127 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Sway said:
Being gifted a very expensive factory - with interim income stream - instead of having to pay for one to be built trumps any and all political elements...

The coachbuilders variant could well be the biggest seller. Plenty of call for an off the beaten track capable specialist conversion. Just like all the coach built old Defenders in use by utility companies, etc.
Which the majority of are being replaced with Hiluxes, etc, at around £27k (+ VAT reclaimable) not £60-70k Grenadiers...